RWBY Thread III: Time To Say Goodbye

Stop: So gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
so gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
We get a lot of reports from this thread. A lot of it is just a series of people yelling at each other over arguments that have been rehashed hundreds of times since the end of the recent Volume. And I get that the last Volume - and RWBY in general, really - has some controversial moments that people will want to discuss, argue about, debate, etc.

That's fine. We're not going to stop people from doing that, because that's literally what the point of the thread is. However, there's just a point where it gets to be a bit too much, and arguments about whether or not Ironwood was morally justified in his actions in the recent Volume, or if RWBY and her team were in the right for withholding information from Ironwood out of distrust, or whatever flavor of argument of the day descend into insulting other posters, expressing a demeaning attitude towards other's opinions, and just being overall unpleasant. That tends to happen a lot in this thread. We want it to stop happening in this thread.

So! As of now the thread is in a higher state of moderation. What that means is that any future infractions will result in a weeklong boot from the thread, and repeated offenders will likely be permanently removed. So please, everyone endeavor to actually respect the other's arguments, and even if you strongly disagree with them please stay civil and mindful when it comes to responding to others.

In addition, users should refrain from talking about off-site users in the thread. Bear in mind that this does not mean that you cannot continue to post tumblr posts, for example, that add onto the discussion in the thread, with the caveat that it's related to RWBY of course. But any objections to offsite users in the thread should be handled via PM, or they'll be treated as thread violations and infracted as such.
 
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Sun is loud, annoying, and respects Blake. His conduct is far from ideal, but he does listen to her and treats her as an equal. And, well, he's the monkey king. "Sometimes if you want him to listen, first you have to get his attention," and all that.

Cinder, she definitely uses Emerald a lot, but I think she views her as a particularly valuable tool. I'm reminded of when the team first showed up and Em ran up happily... and Cinder flat-ignored her. She always refers to her team as 'we,' but she doesn't seem to respond to Emerald's emotional needs. It's definitely a very lopsided relationship.
 
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Why should "triggered" be reserved solely for social justice affairs? It's a useful word for describing a questionable/overreactive response using less syllables.

Yes, but "triggered" takes less time to type out. If the only consequence to using this word is that you get triggered by it, then that's not gonna be anywhere near enough to motivate me to not use it. Now somebody change the subject before somebody on the moderation staff decides to "chime in".

Yes, but "triggered" takes less time to type out. If the only consequence to using this word is that you get triggered by it, then that's not gonna be anywhere near enough to motivate me to not use it. Now somebody change the subject before somebody on the moderation staff decides to "chime in".

@Delphisage, that last post especially violates Rule 2 and comes close to being uncivil, violating Rule 3. Respect is a two way street, and if you lack the ability to respect others, others will respect you less.

In the hopes of you being better about this in the future, I will only be giving you a 25 point infraction and a 3 day threadban. I will ignore the attempted subversion of Rule 5.


 
When Emerald expresses disagreement with Cinder, Cinder's response is to slap her into submission.

Given Cinder seems to model herself after Salem who is, admittedly more skilled and controlled than her, but still inclined to choke someone just for speaking out of turn and can be extremely intimidating even with her 'favorite' Cinder and the fact we have only seen a little of their relationship, I would argue there is good reason to think Salem abused Cinder, Cinder abused Emerald, and Emerald will have a choice whether to continue the cycle or escape and break it.
Also the way Salem acted with Cinder during her training definitively did not scream "healthy relationship" to me.
 
It amazing how the person in this post focuses totally on Adam being momentarily stunned from a sudden blow by a trained fighter, but ignores the fact that Blake outright says that her and Sun can't follow him because even combined they'd be no match for him.

Yea, chasing off would've been a way for him to pick off various people in ambush.
 
Honestly, I thought Adam was already a pretty one-dimensional character. When he shows up at the end of Volume 3, he's pretty much just a generic creepy stalker dude. If anything, I wish he'd gotten taken out permanently in Volume 5, 'cause I'm ready to be rid of him.
 
It amazing how the person in this post focuses totally on Adam being momentarily stunned from a sudden blow by a trained fighter, but ignores the fact that Blake outright says that her and Sun can't follow him because even combined they'd be no match for him.
Most people conveniently ignore that fact.

That and it was more or less a thinly-veined note from the writers that said "leave him so he can do more evil shit!"
 
Yeesh, speaking of moderator intervention...

Christ, I just clicked the "next threadtag" button on that mod post, and it led to a Seven-sponsored discussion on how Emerald should die in the most painful and torturous ways possible as some kind of utterly unjustified revenge fantasy for bisecting Penny.

I can see what @StellarSeeker was talking about. Seriously, that is SAO 24 levels of WTF.
I was hardly the only participant in that discussion. I may have started it, but nearly every member of that discussion was quite enamored with the idea of Emerald suffering in some way for killing Penny. I admit it was a bit knee-jerk and kind of cringey in hindsight, but I wasn't the only one indulging in cringey revenge fantasy there. I would appreciate you not make misleading comments like this in the future.

I'm sure the fact that mods give people free reign to shitalk shows as much as they want while coming down hard on even the slightest bit of personal attacks has nothing to do with that.
"Attack the argument, not the person" is the basis of any sort of civil debate.

It amazing how the person in this post focuses totally on Adam being momentarily stunned from a sudden blow by a trained fighter, but ignores the fact that Blake outright says that her and Sun can't follow him because even combined they'd be no match for him.
How was he even hit by the blow? If "even combined they'd be no match for him" her noclipping shouldn't have taken him off-guard. And I can't help but note you're only focusing on a single part of that post. Up until volume 5, Adam has always been calm, cool, collected. A complete psycho, but not someone who rages and screams ineffectually at everything. This is the guy who somehow managed to turn Sienna Khan's entire personal guard against her with ease.
 
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How was he even hit by the blow? If "even combined they'd be no match for him" her noclipping shouldn't have taken him off-guard. And I can't help but note you're only focusing on a single part of that post. Up until volume 5, Adam has always been calm, cool, collected. A complete psycho, but not someone who rages and screams ineffectually at everything. This is the guy who somehow managed to turn Sienna Khan's entire personal guard against her with ease.

It wasn't exactly 'combined, we'd be no match,' but 'running after Adam in the dark is a situation where he's *very* dangerous.' Sun and Blake were able to hold their own fine in conditions favorable to them, but his one-hit threat means that a running battle where ambushes are a possibility is really nasty.

And yea, he'd been fairly calm... but we also mostly saw him in short snippets during which he was on the attack and in control, not when he's being thwarted and defied. And we did know he was powered by rage and spite.
 
How was he even hit by the blow? If "even combined they'd be no match for him" her noclipping shouldn't have taken him off-guard. And I can't help but note you're only focusing on a single part of that post. Up until volume 5, Adam has always been calm, cool, collected. A complete psycho, but not someone who rages and screams ineffectually at everything. This is the guy who somehow managed to turn Sienna Khan's entire personal guard against her with ease.
It's been awhile since I've seen the episode but wasn't it an attack from behind? By someone who is basically a ninja? Sudden surprise attacks are dangerous to pretty much anyone. That was consistently reinforced in the season.

As for the parts about his attitude I mean it's clear he has a temper, and is not used to not getting his way. The whole season sees him getting thwarted by his ex and her new boyfriend just after she had thwarted him at Beacon. It's not out of place for him to be completely pissed off by this.
 
The one problem I don't get is why they don't just shoot him. I know Aura and all that, but doesn't Blake have ice dust?
 
I was hardly the only participant in that discussion. I may have started it, but nearly every member of that discussion was quite enamored with the idea of Emerald suffering in some way for killing Penny. I admit it was a bit knee-jerk and kind of cringey in hindsight, but I wasn't the only one indulging in cringey revenge fantasy there. I would appreciate you not make misleading comments like this in the future.
FYI the user you're replying to (@Delphisage) was recently thread-banned for unrelated reasons, so they can't reply:
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@Delphisage, that last post especially violates Rule 2 and comes close to being uncivil, violating Rule 3. Respect is a two way street, and if you lack the ability to respect others, others will respect you less.

In the hopes of you being better about this in the future, I will only be giving you a 25 point infraction and a 3 day threadban. I will ignore the attempted subversion of Rule 5.


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You could wait until their suspension from SV ends if you want to continue the discussion with them, though I don't think it would do any good to resurrect that argument from last week.
 
Adam never came across as that smart or strong to me, the dude hides behind Blake so he can charge his Semblance against the bot and wants to waste tons of resources by blowing up the train just so he can have some fun with murder.

He talks tough to Cinder till she comes back and he instantly folds like a coward.

He goads Blake into attacking him directly over her usual strategy and she is terrified of him cos he is her abuser, and he was the one in control of that exchange so its no surprise he was fairly calm save when flipping his shit at Blake for her opinions differing from his.

He also makes it very clear he's not particularly stable during the attack on Beacon though I feel wanting to blow up a train of useful resources he was meant to steal should have made that obvious.

He then goads Yang into attacking him by stabbing Blake and she has no idea what he can do and once again he has a fully charge Semblance so its not a real fight.

He back stabs Sienna while backed up by over a dozen minions.

Wastes time and resources trying to have Blake brought to him for his pathetic revenge.

And then on the cusp of "his" next "Great victory" Blake shows up and steadily but overwhelmingly tears down every bit of perceived power he has.
He goads her, she won't come down and face him.
He has soldiers, oh look she has more and cops and blimps.
Like a weakling who's always depended on others to do the thinking for him he turns to his boss to beg for help and when rejected cos of his previous ego driven stupidity he looses all hope.
He flips out and tries to blow everything up. But Blake took the bombs away as well.
'His' victim, 'his' possession, 'his' Blake has just taken everything from him in a matter of minutes and it staring him down with utter confidence. He's an abusive murderer and not that smart, of course he loses his shit and attacks wildly and gets knocked down. Much like Blake at the battle of Beacon who speed rushed and clashed with his sword despite knowing his Semblance cos she was the one emotionally unbalanced, now its his turn to be thrown for a loop, or several, and thus fight poorly.

Adam i dangerous because he's a manipulative, evil and immoral person who engages in murder as easily as he breathes and who happens to have a good one shot Semblance that is really dangerous, if you don't know it exists.
 
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Melanie Stern has been promoted to the new Assistant Lead Animator.
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I also hasten to add, that none of this means Adam is not a threat, merely that he is not, nor was he ever, some diabolical master mind, he's not dangerous because when bag or terrible things happen around him he can keep an unnatural degree of calm t concoct a counter strategy or fight his way past several highly trained fighters and an small army.

He's dangerous because he's a violent, immoral, manipulator who does possess dangerous skills, will go beyond all reason to get his revenge and has no moral or pragmatic restraining bolts on his actions or methods.
 
He's dangerous because he's a violent, immoral, manipulator who does possess dangerous skills, will go beyond all reason to get his revenge and has no moral or pragmatic restraining bolts on his actions or methods.

Eh, I wouldn't describe him like that. It makes him sound just a bit too cool.

I'm often misunderstood for hating these characters or hating RWBY when describing them, but that's just not the case. I like Adam as a villain and find him compelling because he's fake, because he's small, and because he's petty. Adam is a frustrated manchild incel that needs people to take him seriously and an emotionally stunted brat that feels he's justified attacking the women in his life when they don't treat him as the most important person in the room. That's the Adam I like to hate and want to see more of.

Granted, I'm probably reading a bit into his character and assigning him traits that might not exist, but I still prefer it to actually taking all that edge seriously.
 
Eh, I wouldn't describe him like that. It makes him sound just a bit too cool.

I'm often misunderstood for hating these characters or hating RWBY when describing them, but that's just not the case. I like Adam as a villain and find him compelling because he's fake, because he's small, and because he's petty. Adam is a frustrated manchild incel that needs people to take him seriously and an emotionally stunted brat that feels he's justified attacking the women in his life when they don't treat him as the most important person in the room. That's the Adam I like to hate and want to see more of.

Granted, I'm probably reading a bit into his character and assigning him traits that might not exist, but I still prefer it to actually taking all that edge seriously.
That's a fair take, sorry XD And I like your take.

If it helps I was mostly just trying to say what makes Adam dangerous isn't him being some mega badass or genius cos he isn't, but that he's just a bad person who wants to hurt the heroes.
 
Eh, I wouldn't describe him like that. It makes him sound just a bit too cool.

I'm often misunderstood for hating these characters or hating RWBY when describing them, but that's just not the case. I like Adam as a villain and find him compelling because he's fake, because he's small, and because he's petty. Adam is a frustrated manchild incel that needs people to take him seriously and an emotionally stunted brat that feels he's justified attacking the women in his life when they don't treat him as the most important person in the room. That's the Adam I like to hate and want to see more of.

Granted, I'm probably reading a bit into his character and assigning him traits that might not exist, but I still prefer it to actually taking all that edge seriously.
See I like all that. What I don't like is how the show went from 'Adam is a threat as a fighter and Blake is justifiably terrified of him' to 'Adam isn't even a speed-bump and Blake defeated him by side-stepping him'.
 
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