so gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
We get a lot of reports from this thread. A lot of it is just a series of people yelling at each other over arguments that have been rehashed hundreds of times since the end of the recent Volume. And I get that the last Volume - and RWBY in general, really - has some controversial moments that people will want to discuss, argue about, debate, etc.
That's fine. We're not going to stop people from doing that, because that's literally what the point of the thread is. However, there's just a point where it gets to be a bit too much, and arguments about whether or not Ironwood was morally justified in his actions in the recent Volume, or if RWBY and her team were in the right for withholding information from Ironwood out of distrust, or whatever flavor of argument of the day descend into insulting other posters, expressing a demeaning attitude towards other's opinions, and just being overall unpleasant. That tends to happen a lot in this thread. We want it to stop happening in this thread.
So! As of now the thread is in a higher state of moderation. What that means is that any future infractions will result in a weeklong boot from the thread, and repeated offenders will likely be permanently removed. So please, everyone endeavor to actually respect the other's arguments, and even if you strongly disagree with them please stay civil and mindful when it comes to responding to others.
In addition, users should refrain from talking about off-site users in the thread. Bear in mind that this does not mean that you cannot continue to post tumblr posts, for example, that add onto the discussion in the thread, with the caveat that it's related to RWBY of course. But any objections to offsite users in the thread should be handled via PM, or they'll be treated as thread violations and infracted as such.
Well, you said I was intentionally misconstruing the show. The truth is that I was not. Hence, my best answer to your post is a simple "no." I've done my best to prove that I've been honest in my reactions and opinions, but you don't seem to accept that, so "no" is pretty much the best I can do at this point.
Meanwhile, screaming "echo chamber" at anyone you disagree with is just about the most tired of salty internet copouts.
I was going to make a response to this but honestly
Stuff like this just makes it seem completely pointless. Why bother arguing with you when you are so clearly debating in bad faith? You go around accusing us of making desperate attempts to insert headcanons while still clinging to one of the most blatantly reaching cases of headcanon I have ever seen.
You're ignoring the fact that I've explained my reasoning here, REPEATEDLY, at very considerable length. In the very posts of mine that you've been complaining about, as a matter of fact. So, no, I don't feel the need to repeat the many thousands of words I have by now written about my problems with Yang as she was written throughout seasons one and two every time someone demands it. You know damned well where to look.
I also don't think anyone is convincing anyone else about Yang at this point, so...is there actually any point in continuing that?
The only reason it's an echo chamber is because that's where the people who didn't like the direction RWBY went go because if they brought up their dissatisfaction here, they'd be shamed and ridiculed.
So not a big enough deal to be treated enough as torture but big enough that all of Junior's guards came rushing to his defense. And it was also big enough that he wanted to throw Yang out.
Here's the main issue with RWBY that informs the split on this site and the sister sites, RWBY is not written for the audience it attracted. RWBY is not written for the mid-20 somethings who like Cosplay and Anime and Sci-Fi. Everything in RWBY screams that it was written for 13-16 year old action cartoon fans from the mid to late 2000s. All of its tropes, plots, morals, and characters are informed by and at times totally ripped off of shows like Danny Phantom, Kim Possible, Teen Titans, Totally Spies, Avatar and even some stuff like Fairly Oddparents. This is also not a statement of quality, I don't want to step on that landmine, but it's very clear that Kerry and Miles are writing a show for that group, not people like us.
Take for instance the common complaint about how simplistic and empty the parallels of racism are. The Faunus are clearly stand ins for real minority groups in our world, but the messages about racism are aimed not at adults, but at kids or teens. The only real message the show gives us is that racism is bad and that it causes resentment and hate for everyone. It goes no deeper and never brings up the bigger issues of racism like systemic intolerance or the lack of generational wealth, because you wouldn't have that discussion with a teenager. They simply lack the reference and understanding of the larger world for that to be a meaningful discussion. Even trying to have that be a lesson would be tough because most if not all don't have any real understanding of things like generational wealth or systemic bigotry.
Or the Jaune Weiss plot. Is it really all that different from something like Danny and Paulina or Timmy and Trixie or a lot of others I've forgotten over the years. The whole trope of the loser who tries batting way outside his league and gets shot down mockingly was all over TV about 10 years ago. The only difference is that adults aren't going to often find that funny. They understand that a situation like that isn't funny, it's creepy. However if you're 13 or 14 that would be funny simply because you'd likely not be in that situation.
Honestly the people who like RWBY vs the people who hate the show seem to line up against the simply line, are you able to accept RWBY for the mid-2000's action cartoon aimed at young teens or are you holding it to a more adult standard? Because if you are to look at it as what it is a lot of the bigger problems are more acceptable, not totally excused but acceptable. It's expected for a show in RWBY's genre to have moments of tonal shifts between farcical comedy and dramatic high stakes action or to paper over plot issues with simple off-hand explanations. As a show for teens RWBY holds up pretty well, but trying to hold it up as a show for adults it falls apart, much the same as something like Danny Phantom falls apart when put under the same lens.
The only reason it's an echo chamber is because that's where the people who didn't like the direction RWBY went go because if they brought up their dissatisfaction here, they'd be shamed and ridiculed.
Well, you said I was intentionally misconstruing the show. The truth is that I was not. Hence, my best answer to your post is a simple "no." I've done my best to prove that I've been honest in my reactions and opinions, but you don't seem to accept that, so "no" is pretty much the best I can do at this point.
Actually the best you can do is to actually consider why so many people think that you're intentionally misconstruing the show and reconsider if the arguments you've made that made them accuse you off that are actually correct. I mean sure I can believe that you aren't deliberately misconstruing the show when you say stuff like "Yang is a psychopath who tries to isolate her sister and left her dog to starve", but when you keep clinging to that argument even when people point out everything wrong with it the only possible conclusion is that either you are being dishonest or delusional.
You're ignoring the fact that I've explained my reasoning here, REPEATEDLY, at very considerable length. In the very posts of mine that you've been complaining about, as a matter of fact. So, no, I don't feel the need to repeat the many thousands of words I have by now written about my problems with Yang as she was written throughout seasons one and two every time someone demands it. You know damned well where to look.
See above. Explaining why you thought it was a good idea to leave lit candles unattended right next to extremely flammable curtains does not actually make it a good idea and it certainly isn't something you should repeat.
The only reason it's an echo chamber is because that's where the people who didn't like the direction RWBY went go because if they brought up their dissatisfaction here, they'd be shamed and ridiculed.
See, I agree entirely with this. It's fucking ridiculous in terms of how as you said for anyone who brings up a dissatisfaction with how RWBY went in here that they are 'shamed and ridiculed'. Threads like these are meant to allow that of those who hold dissatisfaction with the way the show went to be able to bring their views up and not be attacked for what their views on the show are.
You're ignoring the fact that I've explained my reasoning here, REPEATEDLY, at very considerable length. In the very posts of mine that you've been complaining about, as a matter of fact. So, no, I don't feel the need to repeat the many thousands of words I have by now written about my problems with Yang as she was written throughout seasons one and two every time someone demands it. You know damned well where to look.
Keep in mind you came here and started throwing around the claims and arguments and are also the one refusing to actually engage with analyse or disagreements, so much as just repeating your claims and then declaring yourself done.
I could ask you not ignore the content and content of the show but here we are. Of course I did't do that because Leingod didn't do what you accused them directly of doing so here we are again.
The only reason it's an echo chamber is because that's where the people who didn't like the direction RWBY went go because if they brought up their dissatisfaction here, they'd be shamed and ridiculed.
Dude I whinge about RWBY all the time, tons of people do, its when people make nonsensical claims the get shot down, stuff like:
"Why didn't they take a train?" will get shot down, because its ridiculous.
"Why did they melt down the last remnant of Pyrrha rather than offer it to her parents" can get an engaging discussion.
"Yang a psychopath cos of X scenes I have taken out of context and or completely ignored the context and character actions within them?" will not get a good response cos it makes no sense and has been countered. Don't play the victim cos people don't want to bash something.
So not a big enough deal to be treated enough as torture but big enough that all of Junior's guards came rushing to his defense. And it was also big enough that he wanted to throw Yang out.
He didn't threaten to throw Yang out though? Also you asked me to look into the show, I did, now your changing the rules.
Junior didn't treat it as a big deal, its a common trope in media, Yang is a character who cannot be held any more responsible for her actions than Thanos, so stop blaming her for them.
I have offered counters, but you keep changing up how I have to defend her, so here we are. In universe, our of universe, media misunderstanding, all covered. You don't have to like it, no one is telling you too, but don't act likes its something that it is not and bash the character for it.
See, I agree entirely with this. It's fucking ridiculous in terms of how as you said for anyone who brings up a dissatisfaction with how RWBY went in here that they are 'shamed and ridiculed'. Threads like these are meant to allow that of those who hold dissatisfaction with the way the show went to be able to bring their views up and not be attacked for what their views on the show are.
"Ah, yeah, I can see why. Well, different strokes for different folks."
And this is how a RWBY general thread goes:
"I don't like [x] because of [y]."
"Well, see, [y] happened because of [explanation that never is given in the show or is otherwise contradicted later on in the show and is entirely fanon]."
"But that doesn't explain [plot hole that is made because of putting in that fanon]."
"Sure it does. [Continues to explain about the fanon even though the plot hole is just growing]."
"That still doesn't explain anything!"
"IT'S A CARTOOOOOOOOOON! [OR] Go away, you hater!"
The only other fandom I've seen going this latter route was MLP.
So not a big enough deal to be treated enough as torture but big enough that all of Junior's guards came rushing to his defense. And it was also big enough that he wanted to throw Yang out.
He is a mob boss. A simple slap would have been enough for them to come to his defense and for him to throw her out. Hell just being disrespectful can be enough to land you in hot water when you're dealing with crime bosses.
The former is basically how I usually operate with stuff I like and if someone has a different opinion of something I like (see: me having an RWBY avatar and honestly not minding Leila's Let's Watch ). I just find well... ridiculous when the latter happens rather than the former? It's like... if you don't have something nice to say to someone else in terms of a discussion on some kind of media, why say it?
Correction: I never said that, I was replying to a reply you made to @Zam saying that, and my reply was to the effect that just saying "Nope" isn't usually a convincing rebuttal to an accusation. I certainly don't think you're intentionally misconstruing the show, and I apologize if I gave that impression. I just think your interpretations of the characters and events make no sense and are genuinely baffling.
Generally it's not torture when the guy is fully recovered and throwing around threats with no sign of lingering pain or even discomfort not even 10 seconds after it stops.
Here's the main issue with RWBY that informs the split on this site and the sister sites, RWBY is not written for the audience it attracted. RWBY is not written for the mid-20 somethings who like Cosplay and Anime and Sci-Fi. Everything in RWBY screams that it was written for 13-16 year old action cartoon fans from the mid to late 2000s. All of its tropes, plots, morals, and characters are informed by and at times totally ripped off of shows like Danny Phantom, Kim Possible, Teen Titans, Totally Spies, Avatar and even some stuff like Fairly Oddparents. This is also not a statement of quality, I don't want to step on that landmine, but it's very clear that Kerry and Miles are writing a show for that group, not people like us.
Take for instance the common complaint about how simplistic and empty the parallels of racism are. The Faunus are clearly stand ins for real minority groups in our world, but the messages about racism are aimed not at adults, but at kids or teens. The only real message the show gives us is that racism is bad and that it causes resentment and hate for everyone. It goes no deeper and never brings up the bigger issues of racism like systemic intolerance or the lack of generational wealth, because you wouldn't have that discussion with a teenager. They simply lack the reference and understanding of the larger world for that to be a meaningful discussion. Even trying to have that be a lesson would be tough because most if not all don't have any real understanding of things like generational wealth or systemic bigotry.
Or the Jaune Weiss plot. Is it really all that different from something like Danny and Paulina or Timmy and Trixie or a lot of others I've forgotten over the years. The whole trope of the loser who tries batting way outside his league and gets shot down mockingly was all over TV about 10 years ago. The only difference is that adults aren't going to often find that funny. They understand that a situation like that isn't funny, it's creepy. However if you're 13 or 14 that would be funny simply because you'd likely not be in that situation.
Honestly the people who like RWBY vs the people who hate the show seem to line up against the simply line, are you able to accept RWBY for the mid-2000's action cartoon aimed at young teens or are you holding it to a more adult standard? Because if you are to look at it as what it is a lot of the bigger problems are more acceptable, not totally excused but acceptable. It's expected for a show in RWBY's genre to have moments of tonal shifts between farcical comedy and dramatic high stakes action or to paper over plot issues with simple off-hand explanations. As a show for teens RWBY holds up pretty well, but trying to hold it up as a show for adults it falls apart, much the same as something like Danny Phantom falls apart when put under the same lens.
That's actually something I'd never considered, but it certainly makes sense.
It actually reminds me that they said on the Volume 1 commentary that they weren't initially sure who the target audience would be, so they tried to make it a show that could be watched by all ages, which generally translates to "for kids and teens with a few bones thrown to the adults." It's actually why you don't hear any swearing in Volumes 1 and 2, but from Volume 3 onward, when the demographics of the show's viewership became clear, the occasional "damn" or "bitch" will be thrown out.
"Ah, yeah, I can see why. Well, different strokes for different folks."
And this is how a RWBY general thread goes:
"I don't like [x] because of [y]."
"Well, see, [y] happened because of [explanation that never is given in the show or is otherwise contradicted later on in the show and is entirely fanon]."
"But that doesn't explain [plot hole that is made because of putting in that fanon]."
"Sure it does. [Continues to explain about the fanon even though the plot hole is just growing]."
"That still doesn't explain anything!"
"IT'S A CARTOOOOOOOOOON! [OR] Go away, you hater!"
The only other fandom I've seen going this latter route was MLP.
Except people complain about RWBY in here all the time? Look at all the (legitimate) complaints people were bringing up at the end of Volume 5? But reasonably enough the kind of irrational hatred that characterised Let's Watch and its fanbase is ridiculed.
Hell, if you want legitimate criticism of the show, check out the few posts made before this particular shitshow started, where a really sensible point about how using Jaune's older character design ideas could have made him a more believable and interesting character was made.
Alternately, this thread is quiet since it's between seasons and no one has anything they want/need to speculate on right now and will pick up again with volume 6 while the other one is consistent since people are stroking their hateboners.
I'm not gonna say I'm right for sure, but it seems as likely as making a call about thread popularity.
It actually reminds me that they said on the Volume 1 commentary that they weren't initially sure who the target audience would be, so they tried to make it a show that could be watched by all ages, which generally translates to "for kids and teens with a few bones thrown to the adults." It's actually why you don't hear any swearing in Volumes 1 and 2, but from Volume 3 onward, when the demographics of the show's viewership became clear, the occasional "damn" or "bitch" will be thrown out.
It's also why the show slowed down in Volumes 4 and 5 and have totally stopped focusing on what might be considered "teen issues" (dating, dances, school) and focused more on lore and building up a long term plot.
4. You mean like Pyrrha encouraged him? Seriously, its shitty writing, two men who likely never experienced sexual harassment wrote some cliche garbage and didn't notice it.
Not necessarily disagreeing with you here, but I don't think you can reasonably blame Pyrrha and Jaune, if you are not willing to blame Yang in turn.
If Yang gets a free pass on her unlikable actions because of 'bad writing', then so should Jaune and Pyrrha.
Honestly given the changes in Jaune's look it seems like they went from "country bumpkin" to "modern teenager" in terms of character. Jaune never mentions anything about farm work other than a one off joke and more often just seems like a guy from the suburbs of America. Honestly making him a farm boy would explain certain aspects of his character, like how he is able to match trained fighters in terms of raw physical strength or the comments made about his work ethic. I don't think it'd make Jaune more popular to a lot of the audience due to the seeming misjudgement of what audience RWBY would have been aimed at, but it would have given his early character a lot more depth to work with.
I actually thought something similar myself. Jaune advanced fairly quickly in terms of strength and tankiness, yet we have never seen him perform any of the high speed gymnastics of his peers, which might suggest he has some background in straight manual labor.
It's also why the show slowed down in Volumes 4 and 5 and have totally stopped focusing on what might be considered "teen issues" (dating, dances, school) and focused more on lore and building up a long term plot.
Except people complain about RWBY in here all the time? Look at all the (legitimate) complaints people were bringing up at the end of Volume 5? But reasonably enough the kind of irrational hatred that characterised Let's Watch and its fanbase is ridiculed.
Hell, if you want legitimate criticism of the show, check out the few posts made before this particular shitshow started, where a really sensible point about how using Jaune's older character design ideas could have made him a more believable and interesting character was made.
By the by, I had cause to look at some of the older concept art for the main characters a while back.
Ruby's general design seems to have been settled on pretty early, but her PJs were chosen from three options, as you can see here.
Weiss originally had a part to her hair that's usually associated with "Yamato Nadeshiko" type characters, her ponytail would have been straight from the start, and she'd have had these black dangly things hanging from her sleeves and skirt that were almost certainly ditched due to how hard they'd be to animate. I like the hair, but the dangly things make me think of furniture, so...
Blake's outfit would have been totally different, her hair would have been wavy instead of straight, and she would have been heterochromatic, with blue and yellow eyes. Plus her left ear would have had a splash of tabby color on it. Gonna be honest, I'd have preferred this look for Blake.
Yang's changes were all in her color scheme, no real differences in the outfit or her actual design itself as far as I can see.
Jaune, on the other hand, would have had a much more farm boy or ranch hand look to him, before they apparently decided to take the top half of that first idea and the bottom half of the second idea to get us canon Jaune's "city teenager in armor" look. I guess they changed it because this was the point in planning where his color association would have been blue (because his name would have been pronounced like the "jean" in "blue jeans") and they felt the cowboy look would have taken away from that, and they didn't decide to reconsider the design after going with yellow instead?
I wonder if, at some point, Jaune and Oscar were going to be one character (the fact that Jaune in these artworks has brown eyes like Oscar later had kind of adds to that), and they were later split into two for some reason, and Jaune lost the cowboy look because it would have made him too similar or something?
They probably should have kept it, honestly, because I will note that Oscar needed Aura and Semblance explained to him via Ren (which is when we learned that Aura is an active barrier rather than a passive one), and no one flipped their sh*t and claimed it ruined their suspension of disbelief.
Nora was, of course, perfect from the very beginning and needed no changes.
Pyrrha's only noticeable changes are on her head: she doesn't have that circlet, and her hair is worn loose and curls at the ends. Most likely, this was changed for ease of animation (and frankly, I'm surprised she got to keep her side cape, though I suppose its majesty was just too great to ignore). I figure that, free from the constraints of the show's animation needs, she'd probably wear her hair like this when not dressed for battle, like when she's attending classes in uniform or at the dance. I mean, when you stop and think about it, it's a little weird that she wears that circlet just about 24/7.
Ren, along with Blake, is the one who underwent the biggest changes. His original look was a lot more androgynous (and I think this is where they got his hairstyle as a child). Personally, I like it, though I definitely like Ren's new look best.
Not necessarily disagreeing with you here, but I don't think you can reasonably blame Pyrrha and Jaune, if you are not willing to blame Yang in turn.
If Yang gets a free pass on her unlikable actions because of 'bad writing', then so should Jaune and Pyrrha.
Apologies if I was unclear, but that is not what I was aiming to do, so much as I was trying to highlight what I felt to be a rather overt double standard at play in regards to this kind of thing is when coming from Lets Watch readers, not actually offering my opinion on the subject, as it stands I blame bad writing.
Actually the best you can do is to actually consider why so many people think that you're intentionally misconstruing the show and reconsider if the arguments you've made that made them accuse you off that are actually correct. I mean sure I can believe that you aren't deliberately misconstruing the show when you say stuff like "Yang is a psychopath who tries to isolate her sister and left her dog to starve", but when you keep clinging to that argument even when people point out everything wrong with it the only possible conclusion is that either you are being dishonest or delusional.
See above. Explaining why you thought it was a good idea to leave lit candles unattended right next to extremely flammable curtains does not actually make it a good idea and it certainly isn't something you should repeat.
Your candle metaphor is lost on me. But sure! As a show of good faith, I will entertain the possibility that I'm completely off base with my reading of Yang. Based on your recent posts, I think that you legitimately believe that I'm arguing in bad faith, and so I'm willing to entertain the possibility that we've both badly misjudged each other.
And, as a further show of the same, I will respond to the above refutations and explain why I don't find them convincing, even though - like I said - I've already done it repeatedly in my own thread, and I doubt anyone is going to convince anyone else at this point.
1. If that was sexual assault then I guess Dew is a sex offender for batting a coconut into Scarlet's nuts during the Vytal Festival.
And again with the making shit up nonsense. Those mooks where clearly not dead. Not a single person in that club before or afterwards acts like there was any real threat to those people's lives. Your entire thesis is based on a false premise.
2. We also never see the friends Ruby had back at Signal, because it would be a waste of fucking time since they're useless background characters that do nothing to advance a story that already struggles with having giving enough screen-time to every character as it is.
Next is..... Wow. I thought I was used to your insanity but this really takes the cake. Could you please stop fucking lying?
That is literally all Yang does. She did not do anything to indicate that Ruby couldn't bring her new friend along, hell she didn't even know that Jaune was Ruby's friend at that point. Ruby is the one that decides that she has to split up with Jaune to hang out with her sister, which is exactly the kind of thing Yang was trying to discourage by suggesting that she make her own friends. Hell later that night she actively encourages Ruby to think of Jaune as a friend and then tries to introduce her to Blake when Ruby expresses an interest in her.
Truly these are the words of a psychopath attempting to isolate her sister from other people.
Like, I could accept the premise that Yang tries to present herself as being more socially adept than she actually is... But how the hell does that make her a psychopath? So many fucking people do that, by your logic all of them would be psychopaths. You're basically Syndrome at this point:
Leingod has already covered most of the my other responses but let me just say:
5. You're talking about THIS dog right? This fucking DOG? We're talking about the same dog?
1. There's a big difference between hitting someone in the privates (possibly not even on purpose, if I recall the scene in question correctly) during a fight, and grabbing and squeezing them unprovoked. One is fighting dirty (again, assuming it was intentional). The other is sexual assault.
I don't understand where you're getting this confident assertion that none of the mooks were dead, and that no one was acting as if there was deadly danger, because that's not what I saw at all. We saw Junior and the Twins getting up again after Yang beat them, but they were already established to be superhuman fighters with superhuman endurance, while the nameless henchmen were not. We don't see any of those henchmen getting back up, and honestly the fact that we see the superhumans being fine afterward but NOT the normal people is far more incriminating than just seeing a random selection of them getting up would have been. At this point in the show, we haven't had aura explained to us (and even now that I know about aura, its workings are inconsistent enough that its very hard to infer what's deadly and what isn't).
Everyone reacted to Yang sucker-punching Junior across the room as if this was a deadly fight. The dancers panicked and fled. Junior's gang jumped to his defense using what certainly appeared to be deadly weapons, and they were willing to risk massive damage to their establishment in order to put Yang down. The only sign throughout the entire sequence that anyone wasn't taking it that seriously was the twins quipping to each other before engaging Yang...but I'd already seen Torchwick do that during what was definitely a serious engagement in "Ruby Rose," so I couldn't exactly take that to mean much of anything about the seriousness of the fight.
Don't get me wrong. I'm sure that the writers INTENDED for this to be a scene depicting a roguish, but likable, action heroine bravely taking on the criminal underworld as she pursues her personal quest. I can actually point to just a few specific things that they could have done differently that would have brought the product much closer in line with their presumable intent. But, as far as I can see, they just failed to actually do it.
Every single person who I showed the Yellow trailer to had the same reaction, by the way, except for those who said it was too dumb to even assess on that level. So, even if I'm off base, I think the reason I ended up offbase is innate to the scene itself and not just my own biases.
2. With this one, all I can really do is repeat what I've already said. Yang implies that Ruby needs to make more friends, but then calls her away from the boy she was happily talking to (ignoring his dejected expression) to stand beside her at the assembly.
(Now, what's baffling about that scene is why Jaune couldn't have just followed Ruby, and all three of them stood together. It really doesn't make much sense at all, as written and animated. What I suspect is that there was a miscommunication between the writers and the animators, and the scene was supposed to be in an assembly hall with a finite number of seats. I could be wrong, but that's the most plausible explanation, and the alternative is that its just pure nonsense.)
The same thing basically happens again with the locker room scene being followed by Yang hunting down Ruby in the forest test. We see her telling Ruby that she needs to stop relying on her and go make friends of her own, but then calling Ruby BACK to herself and getting in the way of that.
The show seemed to be trying to communicate that Yang is a popular girl that has many friends of her own. However, not a single friend of hers ever comes up in the show again after she disappears into that one crowd of shadow people, and - going by the scene where she and Ruby try to befriend Blake during their first night at Beacon - she definitely comes across as the more socially awkward of the two.
Now, if I just saw these scenes on their own, I'd have concluded that Yang has some minor abandonment issues and doesn't realize that she's getting in Ruby's way of making friends even as she tries to encourage her. But I saw them following on the heels of the Yellow trailer, with all of its aforementioned issues, so a pretty consistent picture of who Yang is as a person was coming together.
You seem to have skipped a couple of numbers here, but I'll just go to the next integer provided.
5. The scene you linked is from several episodes after the one where she wants to leave it alone. So, yes, if I had known at the time that the dog had any supernatural powers beyond the ability to be mailed, I probably would have taken Yang's actions there differently. As it is, in light of the previous events, I took Yang's assertion that the dog could use the can opener itself to be facetious. The fact that Ruby decided to take the dog with her instead of leaving it to fend for itself suggested, at the time, that she knew that the dog COULDN'T fend for itself, and her silently doing that without confronting Yang about it was hilariously in line with my previous reading of their interactions.
Like I said, I very much doubt that either of us are going to convince each other about Yang's portrayal at this point, and I think it would be best if we agreed to disagree. However, I hope I have at least convinced you that I came to my interpretations honestly and am not arguing in bad faith. If I have, then please, answer the question of mine that I asked before:
What makes you think I was motivated by self-reinforcing hate-koolaid early on when most of the Yang stuff happened, when most of my feedback during the early episodes was from people who actually like RWBY?
Not necessarily disagreeing with you here, but I don't think you can reasonably blame Pyrrha and Jaune, if you are not willing to blame Yang in turn.
If Yang gets a free pass on her unlikable actions because of 'bad writing', then so should Jaune and Pyrrha.
@Zam was accusing them of not taking it the other way around, i.e. holding Yang's encouragement as a sign that she's a bad person but not extending the same to Pyrrha, who did the exact same thing except she gave a whole speech instead of some consoling words and ruffling his hair in passing.
Apologies if I was unclear, but that is not what I was aiming to do, so much as I was trying to highlight what I felt to be a rather overt double standard at play in regards to this kind of thing is when coming from Lets Watch readers, not actually offering my opinion on the subject, as it stands I blame bad writing.
). I just find well... ridiculous when the latter happens rather than the former? It's like... if you don't have something nice to say to someone else in terms of a discussion on some kind of media, why say it?
