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RWBY Thread III: Time To Say Goodbye

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Stop: So gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
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    • so gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
    We get a lot of reports from this thread. A lot of it is just a series of people yelling at each other over arguments that have been rehashed hundreds of times since the end of the recent Volume. And I get that the last Volume - and RWBY in general, really - has some controversial moments that people will want to discuss, argue about, debate, etc.

    That's fine. We're not going to stop people from doing that, because that's literally what the point of the thread is. However, there's just a point where it gets to be a bit too much, and arguments about whether or not Ironwood was morally justified in his actions in the recent Volume, or if RWBY and her team were in the right for withholding information from Ironwood out of distrust, or whatever flavor of argument of the day descend into insulting other posters, expressing a demeaning attitude towards other's opinions, and just being overall unpleasant. That tends to happen a lot in this thread. We want it to stop happening in this thread.

    So! As of now the thread is in a higher state of moderation. What that means is that any future infractions will result in a weeklong boot from the thread, and repeated offenders will likely be permanently removed. So please, everyone endeavor to actually respect the other's arguments, and even if you strongly disagree with them please stay civil and mindful when it comes to responding to others.

    In addition, users should refrain from talking about off-site users in the thread. Bear in mind that this does not mean that you cannot continue to post tumblr posts, for example, that add onto the discussion in the thread, with the caveat that it's related to RWBY of course. But any objections to offsite users in the thread should be handled via PM, or they'll be treated as thread violations and infracted as such.
     
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    • Tikigod784 said:
    I'd argue they might have been trying to get the Naruto fanbase as an audience to some degree. Of course, the main cast being what it is, it was always going to attract a different audience. Not really trying to use tumblr as an insult but rather as a kind of identifier for the kind of fans picked up. tumblr anime blogs are markedly different from general forums from what I've seen. They pick up on different things, etc. etc. generalization. maybe i'm full of it i dunno I was generalizing because i didn't want to get to into it beyond my point anyway. Sorry.

    'badass women thing' is just me quoting you. Those shows I mentioned kinda have all-female teams center-stage and frames things from their perspectives. RWBY seems like it doesn't do the same thing and I'm kinda unsure whether they were even going for that despite the main team being all-female. If I had to definitively guess though, I'd say no due to Jaune's presence as a supposed audience stand-in (and then 90s expy), which said three shows didn't bother with too much after first few episodes.
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    Nah that's a fair take, thank you for the clarification, sorry for jumping to conclusions and broadly speaking it could be said that Tumblr, or at least many areas, are indeed very different from other anime forums and fan sites.


    Ah I see, yeah in those shows or at least Sailor Moon, the guy presence is generally more episodic and or one or two recurring ones over a guy who wasn't advertised taking up a large chunk of the first volume. We can only guess as to what RT were aiming for with the show so I guess that's kind of an end to that sadly XD

    There's some other stuff I could go into on those shows VS Jaune, but that gets way too off topic and would likely culminate i me posting that George of the Jungle analyse.
     
    UbeOne said:
    Apparently that thread has a negative attitude regarding the show, but that's just what I heard. I don't know if that's actually the case.
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    The thread overall can get pretty hostile, but the watcher herself generally tries to give it a fair read. I still don't agree with all of her conclusions, but she's brought up several legitimate points. And it's not all bad; she was actually rather positive about Burning The Candle.
     
    Zam said:
    I tend to dislike the tumblr generalization, as tumblr is basically used as an insult over on SB and in the YouTube comments section, (Plus I know from personal experience there's some horribly varied view points there which are lets say 'less' than progressive)
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    Youtube comments. Trying to say something else is bad!

    Tumblr isn't all good, but it's actually pretty good as the mass social media goes. It depends on who you follow and hang out with, of course.

    ColdGoldLazarus said:
    The thread overall can get pretty hostile, but the watcher herself generally tries to give it a fair read. I still don't agree with all of her conclusions, but she's brought up several legitimate points. And it's not all bad; she was actually rather positive about Burning The Candle.
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    It's a 'fair read' in the 'someone mostly there for the snarky comments who gets positive feedback for going negative, compounded over time,' sense. I went in, found a number of things just, well, wrong, argued a little, then realized the thread really wasn't about that, it's about overexaggerated reactions, and left.

    Even if someone tries to be fair (which I think is not really the case, I think she's trying to entertain the crowd first), 'doing a reaction thread for comedic value on something you don't buy into (for an audience of people who don't like it),' is not something that lends itself to keeping perspective, before one gets into giving things negative names and purposefully playing up the bad, which definitely skews perspective.
     
    Q99 said:
    Youtube comments. Trying to say something else is bad!

    Tumblr isn't all good, but it's actually pretty good as the mass social media goes. It depends on who you follow and hang out with, of course.
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    My thoughts exactly XD

    Yeah, which is pretty much my experience with every social media platform, every site just gets their own memetic downgrade from detractors in most cases I think.


    Also, in a bid to stay on thread topic XD

    I heard a neat ''Emerald replaced Cinder' idea from Y8aY8a on tumblr, which is basically, Emerald kind of... snaps, after Cinder dies, has actually inherited her powers through one means or another (Possibly) and is self hypnotizing herself with her own Semblance to see and take cues from a Cinder who is not there, but the audience doesn't realize it till like, half way through the season.
     
    Vindictus said:
    walked into a bar, beat the crap out of everyone in it, and sexually assaulted the bartender (Grabbing him by the balls and demanding he call her 'sir')?

    Or are we talking about the one who looked at her 'friend' who was part of a minority that was (allegedly) horribly discriminated against, and thought 'you know what I should do? I should treat her like an actual cat, and get her attention via a laser pointer'?

    Perhaps we're talking about the one who knows that her one friend isn't interested in the guy who is obsessively asking her out, and is in fact highly frustrated with having to deal with it, but who still tells that guy that all he needs to do is be more persistent in showing his affections (and then later is a comforting ear to the person having to deal with an obsessive stalker)?

    Trick question: These are all the same person!


    Honestly, I like RWBY well enough, but the vast majority of the criticism in that thread is entirely legitimate. Like, there's maybe a handful of things that I'd say were off base, but I can't think of them offhand, and everything else makes sense.
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    Or are we talking the girl who went into a bar, picked a fight with the bartender, then broke her neck?
     
    The Narrator said:
    I don't think the stuff that happens in the Death Battle video can be considered even vaguely canon. But yeah, I remember thinking it was really weird and didn't paint Yang in a very good light.
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    Practically every character that appears in Death Battles is portrayed wildly out of character. 95% of the time they either literally have no reason to fight at all or decide to fight for the dumbest possible reasons yet their decision to murder a often helpless opponent is always portrayed as badass instead of horrifying even when its completely incompatible with their actual morals.

    Like Naruto vs Ichigo for example has the two of them decide to fight for no damned reason and at the end of the fight Ichigo loses all his powers from using a "one use only" type super mode yet despite his opponent being completely and utterly helpless and despite being such a goody two shoes that he earned the fan nickname Ninja Jesus the fight still ends with Naruto launching a world shattering attack to kill what is essentially a completely mundane and helpless high school kid.
     
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    The Narrator said:
    I checked the dates, and Screw Attack didn't become an RT subsidiary until after the short in question was made.
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    Really doesn't matter. Death Battles is not canon to any work and Rooster Teeth does not own the copyright to Final Fantasy or Tifa so even if they wanted to make any of the worlds of the Final Fantasy franchise canon to the RWBYverse they can't actually do it.
     
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    Muhkat Lomorki said:
    After reading Leila Hann's less-than-favorable review of this...series, I realized that Yang is basically Vriska except if they tried to make her seem to be the funny and quirky friend of the group and not at all an awful person.

    Also,
    arm jokes.
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    You might want to give a bit more context here. Even just a few quotations from the thread relating to what you are talking about would help.


    Zam said:
    However, I will note that the show creators don't realize how Jaune's behavior could be taken, and thus they were likely trying to highlight Yang as someone encouraging and friendly without realizing the social context or implications, which is more a reflection of the writing than her as a person.
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    While I don't disagree with you I'd point out that by that same reasoning, Jaune's behavior is 'more a reflection of the writing than him as a person' as well.
     
    Zam said:
    As has been noted, it apparently wasn't part of RT back then and that's kinda like saying the RTX interview with Ruby and Yang were canon, or RWBY chibi is canon to the main show.


    Genius!
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    Wasn't there a Q&A where it was asked weather said Death Battle was canon and Barbara pretty much said Yes or at least that Yang could kick Tifa's ass?? I get the feeling that is where the confusion in the FNDM comes from.
     
    Sweece said:
    While I don't disagree with you I'd point out that by that same reasoning, Jaune's behavior is 'more a reflection of the writing than him as a person' as well.
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    True, but I dislike Jaune as a character and because of the writing XD

    Tython82 said:
    Wasn't there a Q&A where it was asked weather said Death Battle was canon and Barbara pretty much said Yes or at least that Yang could kick Tifa's ass?? I get the feeling that is where the confusion in the FNDM comes from.
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    I don't recall that, maybe? But VS questions aren't inherently implying things happen in the same universe and well, FF7 and RWBY are rather distinct world.
     
    Here's the thing though.

    Adam sliced through Yang like a 1000 degree knife through butter.

    Would that mean he could solo the FF7 party?
     
    Psyga315 said:
    Here's the thing though.

    Adam sliced through Yang like a 1000 degree knife through butter.

    Would that mean he could solo the FF7 party?
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    There were a ton of unique circumstances surrounding that fight:

    Adam's semblance was fully charged.

    He had Blake as a hostage/lure and by injuring her he goaded Yang into attacking.

    Yang was alone, had, had just a nightmarish 24 hours and knew nothing of his Semblance.

    Some of that can be replicated, not knowing what his Semblance is, but the last 24 hours, a hostage ETC, not so much.
     
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