RWBY Thread III: Time To Say Goodbye

Stop: So gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
so gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
We get a lot of reports from this thread. A lot of it is just a series of people yelling at each other over arguments that have been rehashed hundreds of times since the end of the recent Volume. And I get that the last Volume - and RWBY in general, really - has some controversial moments that people will want to discuss, argue about, debate, etc.

That's fine. We're not going to stop people from doing that, because that's literally what the point of the thread is. However, there's just a point where it gets to be a bit too much, and arguments about whether or not Ironwood was morally justified in his actions in the recent Volume, or if RWBY and her team were in the right for withholding information from Ironwood out of distrust, or whatever flavor of argument of the day descend into insulting other posters, expressing a demeaning attitude towards other's opinions, and just being overall unpleasant. That tends to happen a lot in this thread. We want it to stop happening in this thread.

So! As of now the thread is in a higher state of moderation. What that means is that any future infractions will result in a weeklong boot from the thread, and repeated offenders will likely be permanently removed. So please, everyone endeavor to actually respect the other's arguments, and even if you strongly disagree with them please stay civil and mindful when it comes to responding to others.

In addition, users should refrain from talking about off-site users in the thread. Bear in mind that this does not mean that you cannot continue to post tumblr posts, for example, that add onto the discussion in the thread, with the caveat that it's related to RWBY of course. But any objections to offsite users in the thread should be handled via PM, or they'll be treated as thread violations and infracted as such.
 
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When did I say any of that?

Sorry looks like I misread "Apologies but I really don't want to have to rewrite them in their entirety." as referring to fearing that Roosterteeth would "rewrite/overwrite" Yang's personality completely in order to "fix" her recklessness/temper.
 
Sorry looks like I misread "Apologies but I really don't want to have to rewrite them in their entirety." as referring to fearing that Roosterteeth would "rewrite/overwrite" Yang's personality completely in order to "fix" her recklessness/temper.
Ah I see, sorry for the lack of clarity, that was meant in reference to my views on Yang's combat record, not anything RT might do. I should have been clearer.
 
In another topic...

I was thinking about Qrow's Semblance with the knowledge that he was a teacher at Signal and an essay @Feng Lengshun posted on the RWBY Essays thread and something came to me, what if the way his Semblance acts changes depending on the exact nature of the relationship he has with the person it's affecting?

For example, that bartender he was seen with on his debut broke a glass cup what if that was because he was serving those cups to Qrow and that's all their relationship amounts to?

This could explain why he was allowed to still teach, because if he was careful enough it would only affect stuff related to the class rather than anything actually important.

It could also help explain why he tries to keep distance from people, his nieces included, and why he is always out on missions. He is trying to limit the ways his Semblance might influence them, and consequently how easy it is to avoid the worst from happening.
 
What does everyone think of the Oscar and Ozpin situation? I'm on edge with the situation as... either Qrow was being misleading with RNJR or he didn't know.

Ozpin is still not a color name and that generation was born after the Great War. Since his predecessor built the academies. And I can't think of many reasons for Ozpin to have an older generations name that paint him in a good light
 
What does everyone think of the Oscar and Ozpin situation? I'm on edge with the situation as... either Qrow was being misleading with RNJR or he didn't know.

Ozpin is still not a color name and that generation was born after the Great War. Since his predecessor built the academies. And I can't think of many reasons for Ozpin to have an older generations name that paint him in a good light
Personally I think Ozpin was the name of the original, before the whole Soul hopping and combining thing began to happen.
 


To which I said: "It was enough to beat everyone at her level. Neo Politan and Adam Taurus were superior opponents; so her dad is teaching Yang how to punch even further outside her 'weight-class'."


Personally I think Ozpin was the name of the original, before the whole Soul hopping and combining thing began to happen.
I think one day, "Ozpin" will disappear, and only a wiser Oscar will remain.

I also hope very much that Amber isn't somewhere in Cinder's head, screaming. Ozpin said that his soul had become one with Oscars, and Qrow said that each new Maiden gets the soul of the last.
 
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Just wondering, with all the dancing around the question (what with Qrow avoiding mentioning his name, giving him a male pronoun, and talking about how smart he is), has anyone else thought that either Dr. Watts or Hazel might turn out to be the Haven Headmaster?
 
Just wondering, with all the dancing around the question (what with Qrow avoiding mentioning his name, giving him a male pronoun, and talking about how smart he is), has anyone else thought that either Dr. Watts or Hazel might turn out to be the Haven Headmaster?
Not seriously, because with such access to Haven's CCT tower, that tower and the whole network is already doomed, and the traitorous headmaster might have already used the power of the relic. Salem wouldn't need careful planning or mustered forces.
 
Maybe Winter will drive the getaway VTOL for Weiss's great escape.
I don't think Team RWBY's getting back together this Volume.

Weiss might leave clues to make her father think she's running straight back to Vale, while actually fleeing to hide in Atlas Academy until such a time as she thinks she could actually escape her father and make it back to Vale.

Narratively speaking, this fulfills Ironwood's earlier promise that Weiss is welcome at Atlas Academy. It also allows Weiss to meet her sister, Ciel, Team FNKI, Doctor Polendina, and a rebuilt Penny.

I once heard that Rooster Teeth said Penny was like RWBY's version of Evangelion's Ayanami Rei. If they truly said this, then a new Penny will definitely be built, though there's no guarantee that she will be the same girl as before. NGE was a little inscrutable about whether each Rei was a different Rei, or just the same Rei who didn't remember what her previous incarnations experienced. I think there was talk about how all Rei clones shared the same soul, but if there was any sort of memory-downloading process, Gendo Ikari probably didn't care to retain all of Rei's memories.

Next Volume might feature Weiss dealing with some of the civil unrest between Atlas City and Mantle City that it feels like Qrow was implying in the WoR, and that may have been further foreshadowed at the charity event.

That could be paralleled by Team RNJR (finally arrived in Mistral City) dealing with whatever Salem's plans for that kingdom are, with the help of Team SSSN and possibly ABRN. Maybe also Blake, depending on how the White Fang/Menagerie situation turns out.

Yang might return to Vale City, getting involved with the reconquest of Beacon and securing the Relic, with the help of Team CFVY and possible CRDL. Yang could be the first member of Team RWBY to return to the campus and remember more innocent times, especially if she finds the remains of her hand in the cafeteria.
 
I once heard that Rooster Teeth said Penny was like RWBY's version of Evangelion's Ayanami Rei. If they truly said this, then a new Penny will definitely be built, though there's no guarantee that she will be the same girl as before. NGE was a little inscrutable about whether each Rei was a different Rei, or just the same Rei who didn't remember what her previous incarnations experienced. I think there was talk about how all Rei clones shared the same soul, but if there was any sort of memory-downloading process, Gendo Ikari probably didn't care to retain all of Rei's memories.
If they were able to make memory backups for Penny, I'd be willing to be that they did so following the S1 finale at the very least, given the scare she gave them.
 
If they were able to make memory backups for Penny, I'd be willing to be that they did so following the S1 finale at the very least, given the scare she gave them.
Actually, I imagine that Penny's replacement bodies were part of that "plan" she told Ruby she had for escaping Atlas and attending Beacon with her.

Besides, I can imagine her father insisting on a fresh back-up recording session before every single fight.

I'm still hoping that, if Penny did survive, it's because her CPU was still running on emergency power and recovered before it died. Like an organic being, she's still alive as long as she doesn't suffer brain-death.
 
Actually, I imagine that Penny's replacement bodies were part of that "plan" she told Ruby she had for escaping Atlas and attending Beacon with her.

Besides, I can imagine her father insisting on a fresh back-up recording session before every single fight.

I'm still hoping that, if Penny did survive, it's because her CPU was still running on emergency power and recovered before it died. Like an organic being, she's still alive as long as she doesn't suffer brain-death.
Really, I think it depends how long the back-up process takes. We know she was gone for the duration of the timeskip between S1 and S2, plenty of time for her to be taken back to Atlas to be checked over and backed up after what was almost certainly her first unsupervised fight. Also, if she did have back-ups taken during the tournament, I'd bet they were either stored on one of the ships in Ironwood's fleet or in Beacon, both of which should have been secure locations.

With regards to her "surviving" due to being non-organic, what I'm worried about is that they might be able to save her memories, but not her soul. All the same memories, but a different personality, a different person in Penny's body. I'm sure the new Penny would be just as nice and kind, but, well, it would be like the difference between Alicia and Fate Testarossa.
 
Wouldn't surprise me if the team didn't reunite this season. Because how dare a show called RWBY that established that teams exist early on keep team RWBY together. But seriously, at this point I don't see why they should ever rejoin. They spent barely more than a semester together, and have spent plenty more time apart. I see no reason any of them would have any attachment to the team. Any attempts to work together would be an exercise in awkwardness, and no one would be able to relate to each other at all.

Weiss: "So what did you all do while I was gone?"
Blake: "Chilled with my family and Sun."
Ruby: "Wait you have family?"
Yang: "News to me too. I stayed home and recovered with only my well-meaning dad to help.
Ruby: "I ran off to chase Cinder!"
Weiss: "The creep who caused all this?"
Ruby: "Yeah, Qrow said she was in Haven."
Jaune: "And he lied and used us as bait. Cinder wasn't anywhere near Haven."
Blake: "Wait, when did you get here?"
Yang: "He's part of her new team."
Weiss: "Wait, you have a new team? And what's this about 'bait?'
Jaune: "Qrow wanted us to get some relic from Haven and waited for the bad guys to ambush us."
Ruby: "Hey! It's not like that!"
Jaune: "'Not exactly like that' according to Qrow. As someone with seven sisters, I know evading blame when I see it."
Blake: "Wow, what a dick."
Yang: "Sort of like ditching a teammate who sacrificed their arm for you to go introduce your boytoy to your parents."
Blake: "Hey, he followed me without my knowledge!"
Yang: "And you gave no explanation or note either, I might add."
Ruby: "Stop arguing! We are a team!
Yang: "Since when? You gleefully ran off to fight the bad guys without a moment's hesitation!"
Ruby: "That's not true! And you didn't have an arm and Blake had left to who knows where! I had to do something!"
Weiss: "And what about me? You knew I was in Atlas. Better than a fool's errand to someplace you knew next to nothing about!"
Jaune: "Don't forget on the vaguest possible advice."
Blake: "You stay out of this! This is team RWBY talk!"
Yang: "Is that so? My calendar shows Ruby was a part of JNRR a lot longer than RWBY. He belongs here, even if it's as Ruby's partner."
Jaune: "I thought we were going with something else..."
Weiss: "I'm her partner!"
Yang: "Were. Now Jaune is."
Ruby: "Hey! That's not true!"
Weiss: "Oh? Explain it to me then. Why didn't you come to Atlas? You knew where I was.
Ruby: "Well, I... I mean I wanted to..."
Blake: "Hey! Lay off her!"
Weiss: "You're one to talk! I thought we'd agreed, twice in fact, that you would come to us before running off! So much for your promises!"
Blake: "It's not like that!"
Jaune: "Another comparison to Qrow."
Blake: "SHUT UP!"

...

I could keep going for hours and get no closer to an ending. My point is, team RWBY is no longer a thing, should no longer be a thing, and I think a convincing reason for them to join back up is beyond RT's writing abilities.

It's weird. I used to think RWBY breaking up was terrible, but now I see that them getting back together might be worse.
 
Meh. They're going to get back together, and it's going to be awesome.

Volume 5 is gonna be exciting. RNJR will finally be at Mistral, Blake is going to be in the thick of the action again, Weiss will be dealing with Mantle/Atlas problems, Yang will be holding down the fort in Vale...

Vacuo is so disconnected from everything else right now, I wonder how the story is going to end up there. Are two more academies going to fall first?
 
Are two more academies going to fall first?
Considering the amount of work it took to take down Beacon(granted it would be the most fortified out of the four considering it had a CCT nearby) and now with the other academies on High Alert for anything similar I doubt that it is going to happen that easily off screen.
 
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My estimation is that Team RWBY will not Reunite until the end of Volume six, as i am currently running on the assumption that 3 Volumes equal one season.
 
My estimation is that Team RWBY will not Reunite until the end of Volume six, as i am currently running on the assumption that 3 Volumes equal one season.
I don't care what the fuck they call it or how long the runtime is. Each "volume" is a season of a show in every way that matters. It airs once a week. Averages about 15 episodes. Has at least 6 months in between seasons. They either end on cliffhangers or have everything wrapped up at the end of one big conflict that has been building the rest of the season. God, I hate this defense so much. You want to defend the show, use some actual defenses. This is a non-argument. Calling it a "volume" instead of a "season" doesn't matter in any way. It's even worse than the "It's a JRPG!" defense. And that particlar "defense" has almost as many holes.

But seriously, why should we care about team RWBY? The show clearly doesn't, the titular characters don't care about it, and neither do the side characters. I'm sure they will try for some big, emotional reunion, but because of poor writing it will fall flat, because we have no reason to care about the team. I was railing against them breaking up at first, but as time went on I've started taking the opposite stance. They have no chemistry. Hell, Blake and Ruby don't even interact in the show. At least not in a non-group setting, and outside of the second episode I don't think either of them address each other directly once.
 
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I don't care what the fuck they call it or how long the runtime is. Each "volume" is a season of a show in every way that matters. It airs once a week. Averages about 15 episodes. Has at least 6 months in between seasons. They either end on cliffhangers or have everything wrapped up at the end of one big conflict that has been building the rest of the season. God, I hate this defense so much. You want to defend the show, use some actual defenses. This is a non-argument. Calling it a "volume" instead of a "season" doesn't matter in any way. It's even worse than the "It's a JRPG!" defense. And that particlar "defense" has almost as many holes.

But seriously, why should we care about team RWBY? The show clearly doesn't, the titular characters don't care about it, and neither do the side characters. I'm sure they will try for some big, emotional reunion, but because of poor writing it will fall flat, because we have no reason to care about the team. I was railing against them breaking up at first, but as time went on I've started taking the opposite stance. They have no chemistry. Hell, Blake and Ruby don't even interact in the show. At least not in a non-group setting, and outside of the second episode I don't think either of them address each other directly once.
I wasn't defending the show you troll, I was speculating.
 
I wasn't defending the show you troll, I was speculating.
First off, the troll comment? Totally unnecessary. Second, that "volume =/= season" thing is a classic defense of the show, basically saying you can't judge the first three seasons by their own merits, that they have to be taken as a whole. Which I think is bullshit, because they are seasons in every way except runtime.
 
Thesevenwielder, you have done literally nothing but threadcrap and troll this entire thread. You despise this show. Loudly, virulently, and at great length. Why, again, are you still here?
 
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