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RWBY Thread III: Time To Say Goodbye

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Stop: So gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
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    • so gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
    We get a lot of reports from this thread. A lot of it is just a series of people yelling at each other over arguments that have been rehashed hundreds of times since the end of the recent Volume. And I get that the last Volume - and RWBY in general, really - has some controversial moments that people will want to discuss, argue about, debate, etc.

    That's fine. We're not going to stop people from doing that, because that's literally what the point of the thread is. However, there's just a point where it gets to be a bit too much, and arguments about whether or not Ironwood was morally justified in his actions in the recent Volume, or if RWBY and her team were in the right for withholding information from Ironwood out of distrust, or whatever flavor of argument of the day descend into insulting other posters, expressing a demeaning attitude towards other's opinions, and just being overall unpleasant. That tends to happen a lot in this thread. We want it to stop happening in this thread.

    So! As of now the thread is in a higher state of moderation. What that means is that any future infractions will result in a weeklong boot from the thread, and repeated offenders will likely be permanently removed. So please, everyone endeavor to actually respect the other's arguments, and even if you strongly disagree with them please stay civil and mindful when it comes to responding to others.

    In addition, users should refrain from talking about off-site users in the thread. Bear in mind that this does not mean that you cannot continue to post tumblr posts, for example, that add onto the discussion in the thread, with the caveat that it's related to RWBY of course. But any objections to offsite users in the thread should be handled via PM, or they'll be treated as thread violations and infracted as such.
     
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    • Barnaby said:
    I would be incredibly frustrated if this is true. Not because there's anything wrong with jrpgs but because it sounds like something someone who has spent too much time on tv tropes would say.
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    Despite enjoying RWBY I'll be the first to admit that its plot reads like someone stringing together JRPG tropes without appreciating why they are used or how they function. There is very much a feeling of the 'lego brick' method of story construction in the way that cool things are constantly introduced only to act in isolation rather than weaving together into a greater whole. This is probably the real reason for the Ozluminati as well since the maidens were apparently just the latest cool thing thrown into the story without much consideration for why or how they would interact with everything else.
     
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    And, yep, Tyrian's sting is poisonous. Kind of saw that one coming.
     
    You know if Qrow *does* die then it increases the chances of Cresent Rose breaking too. Since his Scythe will be there for Ruby to use as a replacement.
     
    I had this story idea but I need some help with it.

    Due to Jaune deciding to apply to Shade instead of Beacon, I had to have an alternate team for the rest of Team JNPR. So I decided that Penny could take Jaune's place at Beacon, however I have hit a slight snag.

    Who do you place in charge of a team containing Nora, Ren, Pyrrha and Penny, and what do you call that team?

    I do have a few ideas (that fit with the colour theme), such as:
    • Team Pineapple: Penny Polendina, Nora Valkyrie, Pyrrha Nikos, Lie Ren. [PNPL] (Penny leads)
    • Team Pineapple: Pyrrha Nikos, Nora Valkyrie, Penny Polendina, Lie Ren. [PNPL] (Pyrrha leads)
    • Team Napier: Nora Valkyrie, Penny Polendina, Pyrrha Nikos, Lie Ren. [NPPR] (Nora leads)
    But I am certain that you guys could probably come up with something better.
     
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    I suspect Nora would lead, simply through sheer force of personality.

    Now, whether Nora should lead... Well, that's a whole different question.
     
    Kind of eh on the creation myth, though given how Qrow phrased it, how the Grimm behave and Salem's lines I feel there has to be more to it than what we've been told. SO like with many things, guess its a wait and see. Animation was on point, though why was the bandage outside his clothes, was it a limit or? Eh, whatever. Also I'm, sure someone's noted but two brothers, brothers Grimm.

    Blake's fears with seeing her father, Kale and Ghira being great parents who give just enough of a push to try and get Blake talking but don't try and drag things out of her is wonderful and then Sun interrupts just as someone in RWBY was finally seemingly about to discuss their team, aarg. Like I get he had useful information but then he's eavesdropping so yeah, still irritated. Blake though needs to chill the crap put, calling him on it is one thing the slaps are not cool. Also WF spy, possibly that sister the brothers mentioned?

    Honestly I can say this was one of the few times I was pretty much entirely on Jaune's side, regardless of Pyrrha making a 'choice' he saw the impact it was having on her and understandably isn't happy with how Qrow is discussing it so even while the framing seems to want him to be seen as mean, which he was kinda being... I still sympathise with him a lot.

    Also Qrow's Semblance is really conceptual, makes me wonder if its not just physical pain for Yang as well.
     
    Imrix said:
    I suspect Nora would lead, simply through sheer force of personality.

    Now, whether Nora should lead... Well, that's a whole different question.
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    This is my major issue:
    • Nora can lead but probably shouldn't. [There would be a lot of broken legs, and all of the pancakes would be gone]
    • Pyrrha is too bashful and shy to lead
    • Ren might be able to, but he is too withdrawn to do it. (I also can't think of a suitable team name beginning with L or R)
    • Penny meanwhile is a robot, so unless she gets a special leadership upgrade installed, she would be bad at being the leader.
    Edit: The only time Ren has ever achieved leadership status in my Fic ideas, sas in one of my planned story, called Consequences: A Family Feud (Tentative Title). In that story, Ren is leader of Team LSRN (Liseran) which also contains Nora, Emerald (who Cinder sent to spy on Beacon) and a dangerously unstable Ruby. This story also includes Yang as a member of Team CRDL and Jaune have to lead a team containing Pyrrha, Weiss and Blake (Team JNBW [Juneberry]).
     
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    A lighthearted setting can get away with an inconsistent plot and mediocre story-telling, especially if it has good fight scenes or funny moments. If you make a story heavy, people give the story (and its flaws) more weight. Seriousness engages the mind, while lightheartedness shuts it down. RT wasn't prepared to write a heavy story, because now people are less willing to ignore the faults in the writing.
     
    blast flame said:
    You know if Qrow *does* die then it increases the chances of Cresent Rose breaking too. Since his Scythe will be there for Ruby to use as a replacement.
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    As much as Ruby using Qrow's scythe would be neat, I really hope that wouldn't happen.

    But yeah, Qrow being poisoned did seem pretty likely, and it means that team RNJR will have to deal with him on their own.

    I bet that in the final episode either Ruby will use her silver eyes or Jaune will reveal his semblance.
     
    Temes1066 said:
    • Penny meanwhile is a robot, so unless she gets a special leadership upgrade installed, she would be bad at being the leader.
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    I agree with the others since it's largely about who they are but I kind of disagree with this one because it's about what Penny is. You could probably make the point that Penny lacks leadership qualities or the temperament to be a leader, but this doesn't seem to have anything to do with her being a robot.

    She's also by all indications a quick learner, so I expect she could fill in as a leader well enough in the heat of battle. She might flub things on the social aspect of the job though.
     
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    Imrix said:
    I suspect Nora would lead, simply through sheer force of personality.

    Now, whether Nora should lead... Well, that's a whole different question.
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    Nora as the motivating force and Ren as the common sense plugin works out I think. Nora would listen to Ren even if she was the leader after all, and Ren would accept orders unless they're too cray cray
     
    I remember that someone on thread mentioned that the current pacing of V4 seems too slow.

    But after thinking about it before(while hanging up laundry), I think it actually makes sense.

    I mean, if you think about it, the events of Volume 3 was to start off the tension.

    It was to establish that, "Hey, shit's about start getting real."
    This Volume?
    It's the build up.
    It's the point where we see the villains begin their plots, where the heroes start to regain their resolve, it's when a sense of "something big is coming" is set into us.(The audience.)

    To put it into a simpler analogy?
    The events of V3 was compatible to the hammer of a gun being cocked.
    This Volume, is the seconds leading up till the finger on the trigger. Pulls.

    That split moment before all hell breaks loose.

    Because we all know,(or I hope) that at the end of this Volume?
    *BANG!*

    That's when everything will really start turning to heck.
     
    TheFanficAddict said:
    I remember that someone on thread mentioned that the current pacing of V4 seems too slow.

    But after thinking about it before(while hanging up laundry), I think it actually makes sense.

    I mean, if you think about it, the events of Volume 3 was to start off the tension.

    It was to establish that, "Hey, shit's about start getting real."
    This Volume?
    It's the build up.
    It's the point where we see the villains begin their plots, where the heroes start to regain their resolve, it's when a sense of "something big is coming" is set into us.(The audience.)

    To put it into a simpler analogy?
    The events of V3 was compatible to the hammer of a gun being cocked.
    This Volume, is the seconds leading up till the finger on the trigger. Pulls.

    That split moment before all hell breaks loose.

    Because we all know,(or I hope) that at the end of this Volume?
    *BANG!*

    That's when everything will really start turning to heck.
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    Fuck I hope not.

    Because that WOULD be bad writing.

    One of the four major cities has been practically annihilated off the map, the entire format of the show was changed forever and one-two major characters were killed off (see whether or not ozpin returns). That was all last volume.

    If the writers somehow don't feel like that was enough, they should all be fired out of a canon.
     
    Sucal said:
    Fuck I hope not.

    Because that WOULD be bad writing.

    One of the four major cities has been practically annihilated off the map, the entire format of the show was changed forever and one-two major characters were killed off (see whether or not ozpin returns). That was all last volume.

    If the writers somehow don't feel like that was enough, they should all be fired out of a canon.
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    I didn't say it was something 'even worse'.

    I meant more that after this was when there would really be more clashing between the two factions, when all the stuff that happened in both Volumes(3&4) would finally start giving us more answers.

    Mind you, I also never said it was a sign of good writing....
    Just that it made sense.
    (Though I also hope they can do better. Please.
    Don't let me be some precog.)
     
    TheFanficAddict said:
    *BANG!*
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    I can definitely see where you're coming from in regards to the cocking the gun metaphor, it wouldn't shock me a ton if that were the case, but I agree it wouldn't necessarily be a great decision. Creating and feeding this kind of tension could work well if the show had volumes more frequently, but with a year in between each volume... I don't feel its a good idea.

    At the same time they do need to establish all of these locations and people so we know what the heck is going on so its kind of tricky. Honestly I hope there's a few extra episodes this volume to allow more of what was set in motion last volume be utilised, I desperately want the members of RWBY to actually discuss their team, and for RNJR members besides Jaune to be overtly grieving over or discussing the deaths at the Vytal Festival.

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    One of the four major cities has been practically annihilated off the map,
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    Um, I'm pretty sure this has been covered before, but only Beacon was lost, Vale still seems to be more or less running given they can have casual news programs and are evacuating people, so at worst its running a bit slower and less safely than before.
     
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    Triggerhappy said:
    Despite enjoying RWBY I'll be the first to admit that its plot reads like someone stringing together JRPG tropes without appreciating why they are used or how they function. There is very much a feeling of the 'lego brick' method of story construction in the way that cool things are constantly introduced only to act in isolation rather than weaving together into a greater whole. This is probably the real reason for the Ozluminati as well since the maidens were apparently just the latest cool thing thrown into the story without much consideration for why or how they would interact with everything else.
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    School setting that honestly doesn't do too much? Check.

    Slow as heck start (3 seasons to reach the end of the beginning!). Check

    Over abundance of characters? Definitely.

    Still something I love? Yeah, I really do.
     
    Do you think Sun's behavior is problematic or being played for laughs? Personally I think it's the latter but they do seem to be taking it a bit more seriously in this episode. I've heard some theories out there that RT is now trying to make it serious when it was played for laughs, because they finally see some of the unfortunate implications of Sun's behavior.
     
    I kind of understand where both of them are coming from, honestly. Sun was rushing to find Blake because White Fang with mask, while Blake was understandably mad at having her moment interrupted. It's not ideal, Sun definitely should have knocked and Blake shouldn't just dismiss him because she was upset, but hey, they're teenagers. Making mistakes is just part of the package.

    I don't think there's much of a problem other than the part where Blake threw away Sun's scroll. That really feels like an attempt to make some cheap drama for me. I'm honestly half expecting for that to be the photo of Adam.

    Also, interesting that Blake had been so against bringing up the White Fang that she threw away Sun's scroll but then immediately chase down that White Fang ninja. She really can't make up her mind, can she?
     
    Feng Lengshun said:
    I kind of understand where both of them are coming from, honestly. Sun was rushing to find Blake because White Fang with mask, while Blake was understandably mad at having her moment interrupted. I
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    I was under the impression, partially due to him lying when he fell through the door, that he'd been eavesdropping on the conversation which is why Blake was upset (Talking about privacy ETC).
     
    Since it looks like Yang will probably get involved in finding the relic at Beacon, I foresee her throwing a huge wrench into everyone's plans, because it seems like she is completely dismissed by everyone important, even Qrow, her uncle.
     
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