RWBY Thread III: Time To Say Goodbye

Stop: So gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
so gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
We get a lot of reports from this thread. A lot of it is just a series of people yelling at each other over arguments that have been rehashed hundreds of times since the end of the recent Volume. And I get that the last Volume - and RWBY in general, really - has some controversial moments that people will want to discuss, argue about, debate, etc.

That's fine. We're not going to stop people from doing that, because that's literally what the point of the thread is. However, there's just a point where it gets to be a bit too much, and arguments about whether or not Ironwood was morally justified in his actions in the recent Volume, or if RWBY and her team were in the right for withholding information from Ironwood out of distrust, or whatever flavor of argument of the day descend into insulting other posters, expressing a demeaning attitude towards other's opinions, and just being overall unpleasant. That tends to happen a lot in this thread. We want it to stop happening in this thread.

So! As of now the thread is in a higher state of moderation. What that means is that any future infractions will result in a weeklong boot from the thread, and repeated offenders will likely be permanently removed. So please, everyone endeavor to actually respect the other's arguments, and even if you strongly disagree with them please stay civil and mindful when it comes to responding to others.

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I don't think anyone has mentioned this, but I think Qrow is dodging the subject. That whole myth story could have been saved for another World of Remnant. The artstyle itself looks like they decided to shove a WoR in the rest of the show, which is just bad form. What we needed to have happen was Qrow actually telling JNRR about Salem. That's what Ruby was asking about in the first place.

Ruby: "Who the fizzityUck is this 'Salem' both of you mentioned, and why is she trying to capture me?"
Qrow: "She's a hot lady made of Grimm, whose ass Ozpin may or may not have tapped-"
Ruby: "TMI, Uncle Qrow!"
Qrow: "And 'cause she's made of Grimm, people with super Grimm-slaying eye powers are a threat to her."
Ruby: "So why capture me instead of kill me?"
Qrow: "FizzityUck if I know."
 
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I don't think anyone has mentioned this, but I think Qrow is dodging the subject. That whole myth story could have been saved for another World of Remnant.

I think there's an implicit standard that everything in a world of remnant video should be true. I get the impression that *something* in this explanation is downright wrong.
 
I don't think anyone has mentioned this, but I think Qrow is dodging the subject. That whole myth story could have been saved for another World of Remnant.
I think there's an implicit standard that everything in a world of remnant video should be true. I get the impression that *something* in this explanation is downright wrong.
World of Remnant in my opinion is more for facts that would be considered common knowledge so that we don't have characters like Jaune who knew nothing about aura yet it is one of the fundamental aspects of being a hunter which he should have known about since he wanted to become a hunter in the first place.
 
World of Remnant in my opinion is more for facts that would be considered common knowledge so that we don't have characters like Jaune who knew nothing about aura yet it is one of the fundamental aspects of being a hunter which he should have known about since he wanted to become a hunter in the first place.

Which is also why stuff like that in V1 should be ignored as early-installment weirdness since if he was that ignorant he'd still be getting loads of super important setting information explained just to him in V2 and V3.
 
Show, you can stop introducing new characters and concepts that are apparently vital to the setting now. Please this is is just silly.

I mean, can we just be down to earth and focus on the current set of problems for one season or even one arc?
 
I don't think anyone has mentioned this, but I think Qrow is dodging the subject.
It's plenty clear that he is. For one, he's not the one who was holding the original information, it's an incomplete second-hand information from Ozpin. For another, Jaune hit the spot, right where it hurts, when he said that he's using RNJR, and especially Ruby, as bait (and the implication that his group basically did the same with Pyrrha). I think that Qrow was stalling, making an excuse, and was only giving just enough to appease them.

I don't think Qrow himself is taking it all very well, and it's clear how tired he was by that point.
 
I think there's an implicit standard that everything in a world of remnant video should be true. I get the impression that *something* in this explanation is downright wrong.

OTOH, I don't think we've had a single narrator for the World of Remnant videos that could be considered reliable. The basic facts should all be correct but be very careful about trusting the interpretations of them.
 
Show, you can stop introducing new characters and concepts that are apparently vital to the setting now. Please this is is just silly.

I mean, can we just be down to earth and focus on the current set of problems for one season or even one arc?

Yeah, got to admit, the current rate of introducing new plot points does remind me a bit of this:

 
Agreed. If we're going to have four super-important things to protect, why not just... use the Maidens? I mean, what are those for again?
 
Agreed. If we're going to have four super-important things to protect, why not just... use the Maidens? I mean, what are those for again?
Perhaps the powers of the maidens are the keys to activating said relics? I mean Salem did say that Cinder was very important to her plans after all.
EDIT: Actually if you think of it like that it makes sense for Silver Eye warriors to have the 300X Damage multiplier against Maidens just in case of something like Cinder if said warriors were meant to serve as the guardians of said relics.
 
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I just had an epiphany. Qrow was lying about his Semblance being bad luck, to try and deflect Jaune and Ruby's questions. His semblance really is the crow, it's not some separate magic thing at all. It was some BS excuse he's either been holding in reserve, or made up on the fly.
 

Since this hasn't been posted yet.....
XD, this is hilarious.

I just had an epiphany. Qrow was lying about his Semblance being bad luck, to try and deflect Jaune and Ruby's questions. His semblance really is the crow, it's not some separate magic thing at all. It was some BS excuse he's either been holding in reserve, or made up on the fly.
I'm not sure if you're right about that... He might be lying, and it is weird that he can both turn into a crow and that his semblance can do another thing.

But aside from him claiming that this is his semblance, during his fight with Tyrian on the roof of the building Tyrian stepped on a broken part of the building and fell through. That could be a result of Qrow's semblance if he is telling the truth.

So while he might be lying, I'm not sure about that, yet.
 
XD, this is hilarious.


I'm not sure if you're right about that... He might be lying, and it is weird that he can both turn into a crow and that his semblance can do another thing.

But aside from him claiming that this is his semblance, during his fight with Tyrian on the roof of the building Tyrian stepped on a broken part of the building and fell through. That could be a result of Qrow's semblance if he is telling the truth.

So while he might be lying, I'm not sure about that, yet.
I'll see if I can find the exact quote, but someone pointed out how Qrow's supposed "bad luck" Semblance doesn't actually cause anything all that bad to happen. Plenty of characters have worse backstories than him. It makes perfect sense that Ironwood would be passing by to meet Winter. Stepping on a destroyed building makes it easy to land on a rotten beam (especially when it looks like Qrow tried to drive Tyrion there), as is trying to snipe under a similar beam. Ruby would have tried to foolishly help w/o any sort of luck and it's easy to take advantage of it... even if Qrow isn't purposely lying, I can see him coming up with a mental "bad luck" secondary Semblance to explain away the bad things of his life, because he doesn't want to accept that sometimes bad things just happen, and there's nothing supernatural about it.
 
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I just had an epiphany. Qrow was lying about his Semblance being bad luck, to try and deflect Jaune and Ruby's questions. His semblance really is the crow, it's not some separate magic thing at all. It was some BS excuse he's either been holding in reserve, or made up on the fly.
Or believes, just because magic is real doesn't mean people can't be depressed, alcoholic, or superstitious.
 
I think I'm going to go with the interpretation that "Qrow's semblance is exactly what he says it is because we've had four years now and every single "flat statements of X are wrong/lies" theory come up with by fans has been either shown to be wrong or unaddressed.

(eg. In the Yellow Trailer Yang calls Ruby "sis"; fans have been proposing the most convoluted theories to explain how that can't possibly be true since that happened)
 
Is it wrong that, even if they do end up working for Salem, I want Sienna Khan to have like no respect for Adam and be ticked about the Fall of Beacon? Like:

Adam: I destroyed Beacon, brought one of the four pillars of this corrupt world to its knees!

Sienna: Ah yes, you killed some trainees Hunters, crippled our ability to communicate across continents and delivered territory right to the Grimm, such an accomplished; I dare-say I could only match it were I to gnaw my arms and legs off.

because he doesn't want to accept that sometimes bad things just happen, and there's nothing supernatural about it.
That'd be kind of interesting given his advice to Yang after the Mercury incident.
 
I think I'm going to go with the interpretation that "Qrow's semblance is exactly what he says it is because we've had four years now and every single "flat statements of X are wrong/lies" theory come up with by fans has been either shown to be wrong or unaddressed.

(eg. In the Yellow Trailer Yang calls Ruby "sis"; fans have been proposing the most convoluted theories to explain how that can't possibly be true since that happened)
I've seen some fans still try that despite the show and Monty himself stating they are half-sisters.

And as to the Maidens: well RT did admit they were a last minute adition by Monty he really wanted to make, and they are still a sub-plot. But as Salem said, Maidens are just as weak to Silver Eyes as the Grimm are which means just collecting them wouldn't be enough. Now physical objects called Creation and Destruction that were supposedly left by gods? Yeah that is worth having.

Edit: In RPG terms the Maidens are the Movement quests for the first half of the game, collecting/protecting them. The Relics are latter half. However you can introduce the late game stuff early so the threat of them hangs over head.
 
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I think I'm going to go with the interpretation that "Qrow's semblance is exactly what he says it is because we've had four years now and every single "flat statements of X are wrong/lies" theory come up with by fans has been either shown to be wrong or unaddressed.

(eg. In the Yellow Trailer Yang calls Ruby "sis"; fans have been proposing the most convoluted theories to explain how that can't possibly be true since that happened)
Except Qrow directly lied to Yang for nearly her entire life. Yang surprisingly doesn't call Qrow out on it, but she was led to believe Raven hadn't been in contact with any of her family for her entire life. Then Qrow reveals that not only is this not true, he's been in semi-regular contact with her. And all Qrow says is "I was going to tell you when you were ready," but I got the feeling that if Yang hadn't brought Raven up and forced the issue, Yang never "would have been ready" according to Qrow.


That'd be kind of interesting given his advice to Yang after the Mercury incident.
That's why I suspect he is lying rather than himself being mistaken. Passing blame to a mysterious "bad luck" Semblance is an interesting alternative reading, but I think it's more likely that he's not telling the truth.
 
Except Qrow directly lied to Yang for nearly her entire life. Yang surprisingly doesn't call Qrow out on it, but she was led to believe Raven hadn't been in contact with any of her family for her entire life. Then Qrow reveals that not only is this not true, he's been in semi-regular contact with her. And all Qrow says is "I was going to tell you when you were ready," but I got the feeling that if Yang hadn't brought Raven up and forced the issue, Yang never "would have been ready" according to Qrow.
There's no reason to believe Qrow lied about Raven to Yang rather than simply refusing to discuss the topic. Yang being surprised that Qrow had heard from Raven doesn't mean Qrow had previously lied, just that he hadn't talked about it.
 
There's no reason to believe Qrow lied about Raven to Yang rather than simply refusing to discuss the topic. Yang being surprised that Qrow had heard from Raven doesn't mean Qrow had previously lied, just that he hadn't talked about it.
It does feel a bit odd that they would let Yang search out Raven despite who she is and what she does and that in Qrow's case never mention that she occasionally deigned to visit.

Also the new episode is called Two Steps Froward Two Steps Back:
 
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