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RWBY Thread III: Time To Say Goodbye

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Stop: So gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
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    • so gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
    We get a lot of reports from this thread. A lot of it is just a series of people yelling at each other over arguments that have been rehashed hundreds of times since the end of the recent Volume. And I get that the last Volume - and RWBY in general, really - has some controversial moments that people will want to discuss, argue about, debate, etc.

    That's fine. We're not going to stop people from doing that, because that's literally what the point of the thread is. However, there's just a point where it gets to be a bit too much, and arguments about whether or not Ironwood was morally justified in his actions in the recent Volume, or if RWBY and her team were in the right for withholding information from Ironwood out of distrust, or whatever flavor of argument of the day descend into insulting other posters, expressing a demeaning attitude towards other's opinions, and just being overall unpleasant. That tends to happen a lot in this thread. We want it to stop happening in this thread.

    So! As of now the thread is in a higher state of moderation. What that means is that any future infractions will result in a weeklong boot from the thread, and repeated offenders will likely be permanently removed. So please, everyone endeavor to actually respect the other's arguments, and even if you strongly disagree with them please stay civil and mindful when it comes to responding to others.

    In addition, users should refrain from talking about off-site users in the thread. Bear in mind that this does not mean that you cannot continue to post tumblr posts, for example, that add onto the discussion in the thread, with the caveat that it's related to RWBY of course. But any objections to offsite users in the thread should be handled via PM, or they'll be treated as thread violations and infracted as such.
     
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    • ...Knowing now that the Great War was Vacuo and Vale vs. Mantle and Mistral (...seriously, did they choose sides based on their first letter? "Ms versus Vs!" @_@ ), doesn't it make more sense to just assume that it was the Mantle/Mistral side that was the "suppress individual expression" side and the Vale/Vacuo side that was "promote individualism" side? We already know from the WoRs (as well as internal show evidence) that Vacuo is very big on individualism anyway and Mantle/Atlas is very much into regimentation and order; Ozpin being headmaster of Beacon in Vale and very pro-individuality nudges Vale to that side, and Mistral's WoR (plus, if you think they gave up Menagerie's continent) similarly suggests more of a "social order first" kind of thing (I'm not sure if it's relevant or not that Mistral is the most pseudo-Asian society as well, based on its WoR, but the stereotype--and remember, the show is produced by Americans--would likewise nudge things towards the "group over individual" side). So basically, we have a situation where, in D&D terms, the Lawful-leaning societies leaned a little too hard towards "forcible control of the individual for the alleged good of the whole" and the Chaotic-leaning ones pushed back successfully.

    Whether Salem had any relation to this at all--whether she was an Atlesian or Mistralite (do we have a confirmed possessive term for Mistral yet?) leader who became corrupted, whether she was already around and the Great War was the result of her previous attempt at doing the Sauron thing, or whether she was not part of this particular set of problems seems a wide-open question.

    That said, there definitely appears to be a "pre-Great War" history that hasn't been explored yet. Whatever broke the moon, for example, does not appear to be Great War-related. There's the question of the fifth continent and when it ended up (apparently) Grimm territory without a kingdom. Given what we now know about Ozpin's Semblance, the strife between Oz and Salem may go waaaaay back, well beyond modern history (possibly to the point that we may end up with a Vorlons vs. Shadows type of situation here when it all shakes out). But this is all pretty shady and amorphous.
     
    I tend towards Valish, Vacuan, Mantlese, Atlesian, and Mistrali.

    "Menagerie" is a tricky thing to solve, and I don't want to promote any form of racism by saying "faunus".
     
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    Do we have to assume that the kingdoms were uniformly on the same side on the individuality battle relative to their sides in the Great War? For example, perhaps Mantle was anti-individuality, but Mistral allied to them out of convenience and common enemies, or any other set of possibilities.
     
    Tython82 said:
    where did he mention that a compromise was reach etc.
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    The "compromises" were made after the war ended, to try to ensure something like the war couldn't happen again, according to the new WoR, at ~3:30. The faunus getting equal rights was one of those compromises, as was the faunus getting Menagerie, but the latter was seen as "a slap in the face from a nation of sore losers" by many, an interpretation that Qrow says is correct.
     
    So, do you think we will ever find out what Yang and Raven talked about? Or do you think it will be non-canon? Because seriously, it's been more than a whole season since she said "We have a lot to talk about" and yet Yang shows no signs that Raven actually said a word to her.

    Actually, has anyone asked about that sequence in one of the "Ask Miles & Kerry" session things? I would like to know for sure if it has been officially dropped.
     
    thesevenwielder said:
    So, do you think we will ever find out what Yang and Raven talked about? Or do you think it will be non-canon? Because seriously, it's been more than a whole season since she said "We have a lot to talk about" and yet Yang shows no signs that Raven actually said a word to her.

    Actually, has anyone asked about that sequence in one of the "Ask Miles & Kerry" session things? I would like to know for sure if it has been officially dropped.
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    Well it is still canon that she met up with her mom and they did talk about something since she brings it up to Qrow while she is locked in her room after the whole Mercury fight. So weather that info is revealed or not is up in the air at the moment.
     
    how much do you think Raven believes in her own philosophy? if someone were to destroy her whole tribe and throw her words about "survival of the fittest" back in her face how would she react?
     
    thesevenwielder said:
    how much do you think Raven believes in her own philosophy? if someone were to destroy her whole tribe and throw her words about "survival of the fittest" back in her face how would she react?
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    Probably not well, my general understanding is that, that kind of mentality is always about self justification as opposed to genuine belief. Oh its easy to believe when the one preaching it is on top, but the moment they aren't its all unfair, or others aren't doing their part ETC. She might be willing to 'accept' it, maybe, but I find it unlikely and even if she does I expect she'd still want vengeance or something to that effect. and would slip it into her justifications.
     
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    Tython82 said:
    Well it is still canon that she met up with her mom and they did talk about something since she brings it up to Qrow while she is locked in her room after the whole Mercury fight. So weather that info is revealed or not is up in the air at the moment.
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    Yang doesn't mention that meeting at all, and doesn't act or talk like it happened. If it had happened after Raven's rescue, that would be more pressing to say than "I thought I saw... her. Her sword. Like the one in your old picture."

    In the "dream", Yang saw Raven's face. Much more conclusive evidence of identity.

    Also, did you forget how Qrow guessed that Raven didn't say a word, and Yang asked him how he knew that?

    Either the "dream" was retconned, or Yang doesn't consciously remember it.
     
    Sunder the Gold said:
    Yang doesn't mention that meeting at all, and doesn't act or talk like it happened. If it had happened after Raven's rescue, that would be more pressing to say than "I thought I saw... her. Her sword. Like the one in your old picture."

    In the "dream", Yang saw Raven's face. Much more conclusive evidence of identity.

    Also, did you forget how Qrow guessed that Raven didn't say a word, and Yang asked him how he knew that?

    Either the "dream" was retconned, or Yang doesn't consciously remember it.
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    Well either way it was one heck of a retcon since you would think that sort of info would be important unless it's meant to be the kind of "when you wake up you will forget everything I have told you till the time is right" deals which could mean anything if that is the case.
     
    Sunder the Gold said:
    Not really, since the scene had no impact on any other scene. Easily cut.
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    Oh I get that, but it just seems really random to animate a scene to reveal the woman behind the mask who was a mystery at that time for no reason other then shock value that she looks like Yang and that they need to talk. Unless this was originally one of Monty's things that got past Miles and Kerry such as how they wanted to reveal Penny's robotic nature in season 2 but everyone pretty much figured it out at the end of Season one during the final battle.
     
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    I think it's fair to call the Yang and Raven a standard stinger tease, much like the ones in the MCU, which half the time are exaggerated or even grossly out of context for the film for they're teasing. It's more an image of what might be rather than what is.
     
    Renewal said:
    I think it's fair to call the Yang and Raven a standard stinger tease, much like the ones in the MCU, which half the time are exaggerated or even grossly out of context for the film for they're teasing. It's more an image of what might be rather than what is.
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    Well except those are usually kept in as canon and not retconed or cut.
     
    Tython82 said:
    Well except those are usually kept in as canon and not retconed or cut.
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    True, but the context and thus the meaning are often vastly different from stinger to actuality, with the details often changing. I'm sure we'll see a payoff to the scene eventually especially now that Raven's in play again, but it's just not evident what'll come from it, especially since they're liable to play loose and fast with the sequence of events leading to it.
     
    I just hope it's sooner rather than later.

    Come to think of it, it's already likely that Yang's individual story (outside of the whole recovery thing) has to do with whatever "mysterious artifact at Beacon" Salem was talking about. Oh, and probably the whole Adam thing too. My point is that Raven is apparently looking for that same artifact, and if Yang's storyline does involve that artifact plot, then the two will come into contact pretty soon. At least some time before RWBY gets back together, which looks more and more like it won't happen this season. Ah, Yang doesn't need them anyway. The worst thing right now would be for her to chase after them. No, they need to come back to her. 'Course, Ruby's off obsessing over being a hero, Blake is wangsting and Weiss... okay, Weiss has a legit excuse. But I don't see two of the three coming for her any time soon. If ever.

    ...

    Heh. You know, if that scene didn't have a bodyshot of Yang with both arms, it could have legitimately been a teaser for the two meeting at Beacon. 'Course, a teaser like that is usually for the next season, not two or three seasons later, but what can you do?

    To Miles and Kerry's credit, they seem to finally be giving the plot room to breathe. Even if it does delay RWBY getting back together longer than I want. Then again, I said the same thing of volume 3, and look how that clusterfuck of a finale turned out. So, not holding my breath.
     
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    Tython82 said:
    Unless this was originally one of Monty's things that got past Miles and Kerry
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    That seems most likely.


    thesevenwielder said:
    Come to think of it, it's already likely that Yang's individual story (outside of the whole recovery thing) has to do with whatever "mysterious artifact at Beacon" Salem was talking about.
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    Raven's also interested in the relic, or at least keeping it away from Salem.

    If those two guys from Yang's part of the intro belong to Raven's tribe, they might intend to somehow use Yang to help them look for the relic. Assuming they're not operating on their own to eliminate or retrieve an estranged member of the family.
     
    Tython82 said:
    Unless this was originally one of Monty's things that got past Miles and
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    If the open letter from Shane Newville is to be believed (honestly, anything in that open letter should be taken with a grain of serious salt), that was precisely the case. Apparently it was suppose to be an actual scene in an episode rather than being just a stinger at the end of a season. Miles and Kerry wanted to cut the scene entirely, but Monty wanted it it. So it was made a stinger.

    Assuming the season plays out exactly the same, but with the Raven dream sequence added in somewhere... I can see why Miles and Kerry would want it cut entirely, as it just doesn't seem to fit. Would have been better to save the reveal that Raven was Yang's mom in the third volume.

    Of course, that open letter isn't exactly a reliable source of information.
     
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