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RWBY Thread III: Time To Say Goodbye

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Stop: So gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
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    • so gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
    We get a lot of reports from this thread. A lot of it is just a series of people yelling at each other over arguments that have been rehashed hundreds of times since the end of the recent Volume. And I get that the last Volume - and RWBY in general, really - has some controversial moments that people will want to discuss, argue about, debate, etc.

    That's fine. We're not going to stop people from doing that, because that's literally what the point of the thread is. However, there's just a point where it gets to be a bit too much, and arguments about whether or not Ironwood was morally justified in his actions in the recent Volume, or if RWBY and her team were in the right for withholding information from Ironwood out of distrust, or whatever flavor of argument of the day descend into insulting other posters, expressing a demeaning attitude towards other's opinions, and just being overall unpleasant. That tends to happen a lot in this thread. We want it to stop happening in this thread.

    So! As of now the thread is in a higher state of moderation. What that means is that any future infractions will result in a weeklong boot from the thread, and repeated offenders will likely be permanently removed. So please, everyone endeavor to actually respect the other's arguments, and even if you strongly disagree with them please stay civil and mindful when it comes to responding to others.

    In addition, users should refrain from talking about off-site users in the thread. Bear in mind that this does not mean that you cannot continue to post tumblr posts, for example, that add onto the discussion in the thread, with the caveat that it's related to RWBY of course. But any objections to offsite users in the thread should be handled via PM, or they'll be treated as thread violations and infracted as such.
     
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    • Triggerhappy said:
    I feel it's got a bit more of a ring of plausibility to it than most fan theories. Although I'm sure it will prove incorrect. In relatively few steps it explains Salem's link to the Grimm, her personal hatred of Ozpin, and her seeming greater scope knowledge of Remnant.

    It also explains why the Grimm didn't stomp humanity millenia ago when we were divided and weak. Because until humans started monkeying around with Grimm-stuff they didn't have a trully Guiding intellect.

    If need be you could also tie in the Maiden's powers if they were somehow used in whatever process turned Salem into what she is now. It would explain her desire to control the powers while keeping them separate from her own person if they are inherently dangerous to her.
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    Fair enough, even when fan theories or fic ideas pop up in canon they're often different than expected. But yeah I definitely see where you're coming from, if Salem's always been around her threat level feels a bit diminished for having failed for so long provided there hasn't been some sort of balancing the scale force keeping her back but even then.

    Hm, yeah there's some strong possibilities there, she does indeed seem quite familiar/intimate regarding those powers, and given some of the stuff she's been able to make for targeted use against them and her and Cinder's talk some sort of connection definitely seems plausible. Heck maybe she was a Maiden and that's how they tried to do the Grimm connection thing, she lost her powers and became a 'monster'?
     
    Zam said:
    Heck maybe she was a Maiden and that's how they tried to do the Grimm connection thing, she lost her powers and became a 'monster'?
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    Like I said, lot of different ways it could play out. She could be a human who was corrupted into some sort of Grimm hybrid. Which seems most likely. She could also be a sufficiently intelligent Grimm suppressing her own murderous instincts while she plays the long game to kill all humans.
     
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    Triggerhappy said:
    Like I said, lot of different ways it could play out. She could be a human who was corrupted into some sort of Grimm hybrid. Which seems most likely. She could also be a sufficiently intelligent Grimm suppressing her own murderous instincts while she plays the long game to kill all humans.
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    Oh definitely, there's a ton of options, one theory I entertain is her being a supporter of the anti colour crew and when their side lost she escaped and either by choice or desperation fused with a Grimm somehow.
     
    There one thing I find weird with Blake's section in the opening:
    If those two person are really her parents, then does that mean that she's staying at her parents for the time being?
    If that's the case, then that's an incredibly dumb move: Adam promised that he would hunt her down and destroy everything she loves, her parents' place will be the first place he'll check!
     
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    So out of interest, do I need a membership to watch it on the website now?

    Without one am I gonna have to wait till it arrives in youtube...? :/
     
    Eventua said:
    So out of interest, do I need a membership to watch it on the website now?

    Without one am I gonna have to wait till it arrives in youtube...? :/
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    If you take the paid subscription you can see the episode Saturday, with a basic free membership you can see it the day after, and without any of that you have to wait for the next week-end to see it on Youtube. (at which point those who paid are already seeing the next episode)
     
    Eventua said:
    So out of interest, do I need a membership to watch it on the website now?

    Without one am I gonna have to wait till it arrives in youtube...? :/
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    You need a RoosterTeeth.com account, but you don't need a paid subscription.

    To register for a free RoosterTeeth.com account, go to roosterteeth.com/first. Then:
    - Click under "Free", as circled in pink:



    - Then register:


    RoosterTeeth.com FIRST members (with paid subscription) can watch episodes on Saturday at 10am Central Time.

    RoosterTeeth.com free members (without a subscription) can watch episodes one day later, on Sunday at 10am CT.

    Users without a RoosterTeeth.com account of any kind can watch episodes one week later, on Saturday at 10am CT. Episodes are also uploaded to YouTube and Crunchyroll at this time. (So at the same time last week's old episode is released to YouTube, FIRST members receive this week's new episode.)
     
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    Triggerhappy said:
    I don't know about the Tumblr theories but my own idle speculation is that Salem may be one of the mistakes Ozpin mentioned to RWBY.

    Given Ozpin's ideals maybe he and others attempted, in the past, to create a Grimm that humans could reason with, something that could explain the Grimm's desires and intentions, and in turn dissuade the Grimm from attacking humans.

    As a sort of dark reflection of this Salem has already demonstrated the power to prevent the Grimm from attacking humans and faunus when she so desires.

    Salem could be either a Grimmified human (hopefully a volunteer) or even a straight uplifted Grimm.
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    I rather like this. It would be consistent with Ozpin's character as shown to try to do something overly optimistic and see it fail (as opposed to just do something jerkassy). It would explain Salem's connection to the Grimm. And it would explain why she seems to have it personally in for Ozpin (as opposed to "bwa ha ha, kill all humans"), and why both V2's opening song and V3's closing speech imply that there's more going on in the battle against the Grimm that Ozpin's not telling. It would allow for there to be significant facts being held back by Ozpin without actually painting him in a villainous light (...I hate the "your mentor turns out to be evil all along!" trope; and the "both sides prove to be evil, so we need to beat them all!" trope got played to perfection in Babylon 5 and bad imitations feel much worse because of the comparison).
     
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    My little pet theory is that Cinder (and by extension Emerald and Mercury) didn't intended to stick with Salem once she obtained the Maiden powers, Cinder's goal is to be strong, feared and powerful, not to blindly follow some black veined nihilistic creep, so her initial plan was to get under Salem's tutelage to obtain the means to steal a Maiden's power, and then to go her own path and fuck Salem and her plans.
    Except that the little thing she didn't know is that Maidens have a crippling weakness to Silver Eyes powers, which left her crippled and forced to be dependent on Salem so she can patch her up, which means having to stay in Salem's Palace of Evil Doom that creeps her subordinates so much, and under Salem's direct and constant watch.
    And I'm ready to be bet that this was exactly what Salem planned all along, or else she would had warned Cinder about that tiny weakness from the beginning. And I'm also sure that Cinder knows (or at least strongly suspects) that Salem planned all of this, and this is the reason why she's so distressed: she the great manipulator got completely outsmarted by Salem, and left unable to even physically defend herself or just verbally retort to the other minions who are mocking her due to her injuries, and even once she will be patched up, Salem will certainly have something in store to keep her close and in check.

    Cinder is trapped and without way out, and she knows it, that's why she's so miserable.

    At least that's my two cents.
     
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    ElMariachi said:
    My little pet theory is that Cinder (and by extension Emerald and Mercury) didn't intended to stick with Salem once she obtained the Maiden powers, Cinder's goal is to be strong, feared and powerful, not to blindly follow some black veined nihilistic creep, so her initial plan was to get under Salem's tutelage to obtain the means to steal a Maiden's power, and then to go her own path and fuck Salem and her plans.
    Except that the little thing she didn't know is that Maidens have a crippling weakness to Silver Eyes powers, which left her crippled and forced to be dependent on Salem so she can patch her up, which means having to stay in Salem's Palace of Evil Doom that creeps her subordinates so much, and under Salem's direct and constant watch.
    And I'm ready to be bet that this was exactly what Salem planned all along, or else she would had warned Cinder about that tiny weakness from the beginning. And I'm also sure that Cinder knows (or at least strongly suspects) that Salem all of this, and this is the reason why she's so distressed: she the great manipulator got completely outsmarted by Salem, and left unable to even physically defend herself or just verbally retort to the other minions who are mocking her due to her injuries, and even once she will be patched up, Salem will certainly have something in store to keep her close and in check.

    Cinder is trapped and without way out, and she knows it, that's why she's so miserable.

    At least that's my two cents.
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    Might explain the answer she gave Pyrrha when she asked Cinder if she believed in Destiny.
     
    That's settled it, Blake is the daughter of a bear and cat faunus. I mean look at the guy, he's a walking hairy mountain.
     
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    Actual, question, are humans and Faunus able to interbreed?
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    Yep, here's the QoG on how Faunus genetics work from the wiki:
    • On a Facebook Q&A, Miles and Kerry broke down the breeding genetics of Faunus.
      • If two Faunus of the same type breed (e.g. two dog Faunus), their child will also be of the same species.
      • If a Faunus and a human breed, their child will either be a Faunus or a Human.
      • If two Faunus of different types breed (e.g. a dog Faunus and a cat Faunus), their child will have a chance of being a random type.
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    jwolfe_beta said:
    Less 'disturbing' and more 'here the heck did that overly convoluted idea come from'.
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    I don't see how "maybe that guy is actually a trans girl and therefore eligible for and has received the Spring Maiden's power" is a overly convoluted theory. Is the problem that I actually tried to explain what gave me the idea?

    Pretty much everyone agrees that this kid is extremely important. Making an animated show isn't like writing a book, a shit ton of work was put into making that scene of the kid doing random farm work. There's no way in hell RT would waste so much time and resources on a character that wouldn't be important. So far theories about why the kid is important boils down to:

    1. Cinder's sibling.
    2. A Semblance that lets him spy on the bad guys. Basically a prophet type character and based on a biblical prophet with a rainbow scarf/cloth.
    3. Ozpin's reincarnation or something like that.
    4. The Spring Maiden
    5. Something completely new
    The problem with number 4 is that while we haven't heard the kid speak we have heard grunts and stuff. The kid sounds far to masculine to be a girl dressing like a boy but it could be a girl with the body of a boy.

    This kid being a trans girl would also tie into Pyrrha's aborted plot arc were we were given a lot of focus on the "convoluted rules" behind the selection of Maidens and how it was very specifically shown and told that the powers attach to a persons soul rather than their body.

    It would be a neat twist were a detail we were given earlier ends up being important in a completely different and unexpected way later. Its also an interesting issue to bring up in a world where the soul is such a known and quantified phenomenon as it is on Remnant. Edit: It also ties into the themes brought up in Penny's story arc of how its not your body that determines who or what you are but rather the soul.


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    Also this. Considering all the Wizard of Oz references we have in the show it would be very fitting and an interesting twist on the character concept.


    That said I don't think its very likely that this theory is correct. I just think it would be really cool if it was. An actual transgender character in a sci-fantasy action story that isn't a one-note joke character meant to be scorned? That's as rare as a roosters teeth.
     
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    Mook said:
    I don't see how "maybe that guy is actually a trans girl and therefore eligible for and has received the Spring Maiden's power" is a overly convoluted theory. Is the problem that I actually tried to explain what gave me the idea?

    Pretty much everyone agrees that this kid is extremely important. Making an animated show isn't like writing a book, a shit ton of work was put into making that scene of the kid doing random farm work. There's no way in hell RT would waste so much time and resources on a character that wouldn't be important. So far theories about why the kid is important boils down to:

    1. Cinder's sibling.
    2. A Semblance that lets him spy on the bad guys. Basically a prophet type character and based on a biblical prophet with a rainbow scarf/cloth.
    3. Ozpin's reincarnation or something like that.
    4. The Spring Maiden
    5. Something completely new
    The problem with number 4 is that while we haven't heard the kid speak we have heard grunts and stuff. The kid sounds far to masculine to be a girl dressing like a boy but it could be a girl with the body of a boy.

    This kid being a trans girl would also tie into Pyrrha's aborted plot arc were we were given a lot of focus on the "convoluted rules" behind the selection of Maidens and how it was very specifically shown and told that the powers attach to a persons soul rather than their body.

    It would be a neat twist were a detail we were given earlier ends up being important in a completely different and unexpected way later. Its also an interesting issue to bring up in a world where the soul is such a known and quantified phenomenon as it is on Remnant. Edit: It also ties into the themes brought up in Penny's story arc of how its not your body that determines who or what you are but rather the soul.



    Also this. Considering all the Wizard of Oz references we have in the show it would be very fitting and an interesting twist on the character concept.


    That said I don't think its very likely that this theory is correct. I just think it would be really cool if it was. An actual transgender character in a sci-fantasy action story that isn't a one-note joke character meant to be scorned? That's as rare as a roosters teeth.
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    Well, the thing I find odd is that Cinder is the only female among Salem's lieutenant, yet Tyrian was initially sent to hunt down the Spring Maiden, probably to steal her powers too. But then that would mean that there's a way to circumvent the rule that a Maiden must be a young woman (btw where was it stated again, I can't remember it?), or there's three more female lieutenants that we didn't saw yet.
     
    ElMariachi said:
    Well, the thing I find odd is that Cinder is the only female among Salem's lieutenant, yet Tyrian was initially sent to hunt down the Spring Maiden, probably to steal her powers too. But then that would mean that there's a way to circumvent the rule that a Maiden must be a young woman (btw where was it stated again, I can't remember it?), or there's three more female lieutenants that we didn't saw yet.
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    Or that having stolen the powers of one, they'd prefer for the other three to be inexperienced and unaware of how to fully use the powers while they put their plans into effect.
     
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