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RWBY Thread III: Time To Say Goodbye

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Stop: So gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
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    • so gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
    We get a lot of reports from this thread. A lot of it is just a series of people yelling at each other over arguments that have been rehashed hundreds of times since the end of the recent Volume. And I get that the last Volume - and RWBY in general, really - has some controversial moments that people will want to discuss, argue about, debate, etc.

    That's fine. We're not going to stop people from doing that, because that's literally what the point of the thread is. However, there's just a point where it gets to be a bit too much, and arguments about whether or not Ironwood was morally justified in his actions in the recent Volume, or if RWBY and her team were in the right for withholding information from Ironwood out of distrust, or whatever flavor of argument of the day descend into insulting other posters, expressing a demeaning attitude towards other's opinions, and just being overall unpleasant. That tends to happen a lot in this thread. We want it to stop happening in this thread.

    So! As of now the thread is in a higher state of moderation. What that means is that any future infractions will result in a weeklong boot from the thread, and repeated offenders will likely be permanently removed. So please, everyone endeavor to actually respect the other's arguments, and even if you strongly disagree with them please stay civil and mindful when it comes to responding to others.

    In addition, users should refrain from talking about off-site users in the thread. Bear in mind that this does not mean that you cannot continue to post tumblr posts, for example, that add onto the discussion in the thread, with the caveat that it's related to RWBY of course. But any objections to offsite users in the thread should be handled via PM, or they'll be treated as thread violations and infracted as such.
     
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    • Imrix said:
    Note that uh, Ozpin agreed that bringing an army into Vale was a bad call. They had a whole conversation about it during s3ep3, about how armies are symbols of conflict and bringing one to the Vytal festival raises the question of what it's present to defend against.

    So, no, the Vale council was emphatically not "in 100% approval of Ironwood bringing his army into Vale."
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    Remind me again since it has been a while since I watched Season 3 but wasn't that just Ozpin's opinion on the matter and not the opinion of the council in question since they thought that Ozpin hadn't performed up to snuff since the breach shouldn't have happened in the first place ?
     
    Frankly, considering the whole situation was engineered by someone who probably has Hunter training, and her minion was the son of an assassin who trained him (who himself probably got Hunter training), I can't rightfully argue that Atlas is in the wrong in regards to encouraging Hunters to join the army.

    Oh god, RWBY made me support superhero registration. Holy fuck.


    But anyway, if Qrow wasn't trying to prove a point, then why did he destroy Atlas property and insult Winter? Except for, y'know, being a dick.
     
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    thesevenwielder said:
    Frankly, considering the whole situation was engineered by someone who probably has Hunter training, and her minion was the son of an assassin who trained him (who himself probably got Hunter training), I can't rightfully argue that Atlas is in the wrong in regards to encouraging Hunters to join the army.

    Oh god, RWBY made me support superhero registration. Holy fuck.


    But anyway, if Qrow wasn't trying to prove a point, then why did he destroy Atlas property and insult Winter? Except for, y'know, being a dick.
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    From my phone.
    Because he was being a dick?
    Qrow had good reasons to be mad at Ironwood over the whole situation basically boiling down to him making their enemies job easier.
    As far as goading winter into the fight and yes winter started it that was him just releasing his anger over it. It was him just being a jerk to winter.
    That said Ironwood was intentionally leaving Qrow out he even calls him on it. So fighting winter may have been Qrow only way to even TALK to ironwood.

    But Qrow is an A-hole just one with good reasons for being one.
     
    Tython82 said:
    Remind me again since it has been a while since I watched Season 3 but wasn't that just Ozpin's opinion on the matter and not the opinion of the council in question since they thought that Ozpin hadn't performed up to snuff since the breach shouldn't have happened in the first place ?
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    Qrow's adamantly against it, Ozpin speaks against it, Glynda holds her peace but visually stands in solidarity with the two of them, Ironwood ends the conversation with a sigh and asks what they'd have done differently. Never mind that Ironwood came to Vale at Ozpin's behest, but brought the fleet on his own initiative.
     
    Tython82 said:
    Remind me again since it has been a while since I watched Season 3 but wasn't that just Ozpin's opinion on the matter and not the opinion of the council in question since they thought that Ozpin hadn't performed up to snuff since the breach shouldn't have happened in the first place ?
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    The Vale City Council at the end of volumn 2, not the Secret Council of the Maidens and Other Secrets.
     
    What if Miles and Kerry really did hijack the show after Monty died, and he actually wanted RWBY to stay as teenage lesbians at boarding school fighting spoopy monsters?
     
    thesevenwielder said:
    What if Miles and Kerry really did hijack the show after Monty died, and he actually wanted RWBY to stay as teenage lesbians at boarding school fighting spoopy monsters?
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    Nah. Monty was very vocal about how he was inspired by stuff like Final Fantasy VIII. Final Fantasy VIII starts out as just hanging out doing missions at some academy for badass adventuring mercenaries, too, and look where the plot takes off from there. RWBY was never going to remain a show about adorable kids with awesome powers messing around in a school for badasses and playing Scooby Doo on weekends.
     
    De3ta said:
    That reminds me!

    *Starts counting days until Vol 3 soundtrack is released*
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    And uh... when is that?

    Mahrac said:
    The Vale City Council at the end of volumn 2, not the Secret Council of the Maidens and Other Secrets.
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    Those guys Ironwood was apparently talking sh*t about Ozpin to behind his back, given by what they say.

    More to the point, they're clearly a council of morons. If they'd gotten the details of the Breach, they'd realize that Ironwood being in charge over Ozpin wouldn't have done a damn thing to prevent it.

    Let's go back to when they first got that tip about going to the southeast. Ironwood's first response is, "send in the troops and kick some ass!" completely ignoring that while the White Fang might miss a single airship dropping off at the outskirts of the city, they definitely won't miss an entire fleet bearing down on them. Absolute best case scenario is that they use the massive underground cave system to flee and try again somewhere else. So best case, Ironwood sets the Breach back by a couple months and now they have no leads on where their enemy is anymore.

    But let's assume that the White Fang doesn't pick up sticks and run the second they realize a fleet of airships packed to the gills with stormtroopers and droids is bearing down on them. What happens then?

    Well, for one, we have to make another assumption: that anyone in this army from Atlas is familiar enough with the local history to know that there is a huge underground cave system in Mountain Glenn that might make a good hiding place, and to actually remember that and connect the dots, or we need to assume that Ironwood brings investigative equipment wherever he goes to detect stuff like that. Fair enough. Now what?

    Well, the obvious answer for ol' Ironfist is send the troops in, guns blazing, judging by literally everything we've seen of his approach to the current affair. But uh, good luck squeezing those huge-ass airships into those tunnels, Jimmy boy. I'm sure your mooks (both metal and non-metal) can take on the White Fang mooks... but I'm a little less optimistic about their chances against the (at least a) dozen prototype Atlesian Paladins they managed to lift from under your nose. But hey, Irondaddy's one of the very baddest of asses and he's a man's man. Dude leads from the front; he'll just plow through the damn things, right? Great, problem solved.

    Except problem very much not solved. Since while Ironwood and his men are beating down mook and machine alike, the train just starts chugging straight for Vale to drop off a cargo of Grimm and explosives. Team RWBY+Oobleck was only able to get on the train in time because they were literally right there when it started taking off; no chance in hell they don't start that train up the second Ironwood starts to lead a big-ass strike force into the tunnels.

    So basically the Breach goes off exactly as canon, no changes except that Beacon's faculty and staff have to clean this mess up themselves and Ironwood's probably down a few men, especially when the tunnels quickly start swarming with Grimm.

    Now, you can't blame Ironwood for not realizing this when he first suggests that plan to Ozpin. Hindsight is, after all, 20/20. But you very much can blame both him and the council for not realizing in hindsight that Ironwood's plan wouldn't have done any better than Ozpin's. No way is Oobleck not going to be submitting a very detailed report on everything that happened, so either they didn't even bother figuring out just what went wrong before immediately blaming Ozpin and scapegoating him in favor of Ironwood, or none of them bothered to sit down for a moment and think the implications through. Either possibility doesn't paint a flattering picture.
     
    Azecreth said:
    Apparently politics is the same on Remnant as it is on Earth :V
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    Pretty much. When things start going wrong and attacks start happening, everyone leaps behind whoever promises to take action, without bothering to consider whether those actions will actually get any results, what actions are really necessary, or anything more complicated than, "we're being attacked, we need to fight back now!" Politicians are especially prone to this, because nothing ensures a reelection better than being someone "decisive," someone who "gets results" in difficult times.
     
    Leingod said:
    Pretty much. When things start going wrong and attacks start happening, everyone leaps behind whoever promises to take action, without bothering to consider whether those actions will actually get any results, what actions are really necessary, or anything more complicated than, "we're being attacked, we need to fight back now!" Politicians are especially prone to this, because nothing ensures a reelection better than being someone "decisive," someone who "gets results" in difficult times.
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    Actually there might be a reason beyond politicians being politicians for their actions, remember that they live in Remnant, they are always under siege by the Grimm, if people become scared it will attract the Grimm, so taking measures to placate the populace becomes extremely important after all the general public knows that fear means Grimm, so seeing their neighbours sacred will just make everybody more scared.
     
    ShadowEMT said:
    Actually there might be a reason beyond politicians being politicians for their actions, remember that they live in Remnant, they are always under siege by the Grimm, if people become scared it will attract the Grimm, so taking measures to placate the populace becomes extremely important after all the general public knows that fear means Grimm, so seeing their neighbours sacred will just make everybody more scared.
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    That's actually quite clever. We've seen what happens when a populations gets hit with a sudden ball of fear and unrest: Grimm swarm the city. So what here in the real world are seen as short-term measures to distract the population and insure political survival would have actual practical application in insuring the actual population's survival.
     
    OK, so how do we think Dust infusion into the body actually works?

    Like, the World of Remnant didn't make it look very pleasant, but it seems badass as well and potentially very useful.

    I've got this really weird and probably stupid theory that if properly prepared and inserted a person, with good enough training and control, essentially take a Dust Crystal inserted in them and use their Aura in the none combat hours to 'grow' it and then use said crystal as additional fuel during a fight and so long as they don't use the entire thing up they can always regrow it.
     
    Zam said:
    OK, so how do we think Dust infusion into the body actually works?

    Like, the World of Remnant didn't make it look very pleasant, but it seems badass as well and potentially very useful.

    I've got this really weird and probably stupid theory that if properly prepared and inserted a person, with good enough training and control, essentially take a Dust Crystal inserted in them and use their Aura in the none combat hours to 'grow' it and then use said crystal as additional fuel during a fight and so long as they don't use the entire thing up they can always regrow it.
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    As far as we know it doesnt. Its not brought up that you can infuse the body with dust.
    You can lace it in your clothes and weapons easily enough but putting it into your body isnt covered. Also since Dust is explosive if not handled right putting it into your body might have...Pink Mist creating problems if you get my meaning.
    Its probably too dangerous to put it into your body straight.
     
    Zam said:
    OK, so how do we think Dust infusion into the body actually works?

    Like, the World of Remnant didn't make it look very pleasant, but it seems badass as well and potentially very useful.

    I've got this really weird and probably stupid theory that if properly prepared and inserted a person, with good enough training and control, essentially take a Dust Crystal inserted in them and use their Aura in the none combat hours to 'grow' it and then use said crystal as additional fuel during a fight and so long as they don't use the entire thing up they can always regrow it.
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    I'd personally guess it messes with Aura. Cinder wasn't immediately recognized as "the assassin who stole Autumn's powers", (I assume, given how great an opportunity for foreshadowing that would have been,) after all.
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    As far as we know it doesnt. Its not brought up that you can infuse the body with dust.
    You can lace it in your clothes and weapons easily enough but putting it into your body isnt covered. Also since Dust is explosive if not handled right putting it into your body might have...Pink Mist creating problems if you get my meaning.
    Its probably too dangerous to put it into your body straight.
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    No, they do mention it somewhere. Possibly In World of Remnant: Hunters.
     
    HoratioVonBecker said:
    No, they do mention it somewhere. Possibly In World of Remnant: Hunters.
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    I think it's WoR: Dust, actually.

    Edit: Yeah, it is. Here's the transcript, pulled off the wiki. I boldfaced the relevant line:

    Dust. By definition, it is a naturally occurring energy propellant that can be triggered by the aura of Humans and Faunus. But in reality, it is much, much more.
    Found in four basic forms, Dust can be combined both artificially and naturally to form new, stronger types, each with unique properties. Since its discovery, man has concocted a multitude of ways in which to harness these mysterious crystals.
    From airships to androids, Dust has made its way into practically every facet of technology. Some prefer to use Dust in its raw form: elegant, yet destructive. Those who choose to wield Dust in this state must posses a certain level of discipline, to ensure that their resulting powers do not break free from their control.
    Dust ammunition serves as a more practical application in today's modern society. With the technological advancements in weapon design, warriors need merely choose the right cartridge for the job and pull the trigger.
    While this has become the standard method of use, it is not uncommon to find individuals still practicing more archaic forms of Dust manipulation, such as weaving it into clothing or even fusing it directly with their own bodies.
    Despite working, fighting, and even turning a profit with it, humanity has still yet to understand how Dust came to be, and more importantly, how their involvement with Dust will ultimately change the world of Remnant.
     
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    revanninja said:
    As far as we know it doesnt. Its not brought up that you can infuse the body with dust.
    You can lace it in your clothes and weapons easily enough but putting it into your body isnt covered. Also since Dust is explosive if not handled right putting it into your body might have...Pink Mist creating problems if you get my meaning.
    Its probably too dangerous to put it into your body straight.
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    DezoPenguin already covered this better than I can. Though I get where you're coming from, the video made Dust infusion into the body look... unpleasant to say the least.

    HoratioVonBecker said:
    'd personally guess it messes with Aura. Cinder wasn't immediately recognized as "the assassin who stole Autumn's powers", (I assume, given how great an opportunity for foreshadowing that would have been,) after all.
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    Sorry I'm not entirely sure what you;re trying to say here. :oops:
     
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