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RWBY Thread III: Time To Say Goodbye

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Stop: So gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
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    • so gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
    We get a lot of reports from this thread. A lot of it is just a series of people yelling at each other over arguments that have been rehashed hundreds of times since the end of the recent Volume. And I get that the last Volume - and RWBY in general, really - has some controversial moments that people will want to discuss, argue about, debate, etc.

    That's fine. We're not going to stop people from doing that, because that's literally what the point of the thread is. However, there's just a point where it gets to be a bit too much, and arguments about whether or not Ironwood was morally justified in his actions in the recent Volume, or if RWBY and her team were in the right for withholding information from Ironwood out of distrust, or whatever flavor of argument of the day descend into insulting other posters, expressing a demeaning attitude towards other's opinions, and just being overall unpleasant. That tends to happen a lot in this thread. We want it to stop happening in this thread.

    So! As of now the thread is in a higher state of moderation. What that means is that any future infractions will result in a weeklong boot from the thread, and repeated offenders will likely be permanently removed. So please, everyone endeavor to actually respect the other's arguments, and even if you strongly disagree with them please stay civil and mindful when it comes to responding to others.

    In addition, users should refrain from talking about off-site users in the thread. Bear in mind that this does not mean that you cannot continue to post tumblr posts, for example, that add onto the discussion in the thread, with the caveat that it's related to RWBY of course. But any objections to offsite users in the thread should be handled via PM, or they'll be treated as thread violations and infracted as such.
     
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    • *Looks at the Chibi RWBY announcement*

    *Adopts a prophet's voice*

    AND SO, AS THE DARKEST OF TIMES BEFELL THE WORLD, A NEW RAY OF HOPE SHINES THROUGH!

    HOPE WHICH HAS, BUT ONE SYMBOL:

    THAT SYMBOL BEING A SUPERDEFORMED VERSION OF THE MOST ADORABLE OF THEM ALL...

    A CHARACTER SO LOVED THAT HER SHIPPING POTENTIAL IS LIMITLESS...

    A CHARACTER WHOSE CUTENESS CAN ONLY BE RAISED FURTHER BY A FACTOR OF ELEVEN WITH SUCH TRANSFORMATION!

    AND SHE SHALL BE KNOWN, HENCEFORTH, AS...

    ...

    Wuby.

    In all seriousness though, if they really go forth with this idea, I'm calling her this starting right now!

    Why?

    Because Wuby sounds cuter to me and is shorter than saying Chibi!Ruby the entire time (and no, I didn't choose to write it with a "W" because of Weiss or Whiterose or anything like that. I don't even like that particular pairing).

    What do you guys think? Nickname ideas for the chibi characters?
     
    Some thoughts about how Remnant society would treat the Grimm from SB.

    I think a lot of the dissonance is that since modern Remnant is superficially like ours we subconsciously treat the Grimm as something new to deal with instead of a constant presence and fact of life they accept. The way they treat the Grimm as a whole is going to be markedly different to how modern Earth would treat Grimm, as one society grew up with them and the other's closest approximation would be works of fiction.

    I recall during the Indian Ocean tsunamis a while back that there was a story about how the natives of an isolated island who had little to no contact with the modern world were able to survive the tsunami despite being near the epicenter. Ingrained into their culture was the fact that if the water receded way below the tides, then a big wave would come in and destroy everything near the coast, so they learned to run inland when it happened. In contrast, Europeans would have no experience with such an event, and if one were to occur a lot of people would die.

    Now, did the island natives feel fear when that happens? Of course they did. But for them they grew up with it, and thus have a way of coping with it, lessening the omnipresent fear. I imagine the majority of Remnant is the same about the Grimm. Yes they can attack, yes they can wipe out villages and kingdoms, but so can tornadoes and earthquakes and other such natural disasters. Is there fear and panic when those happen? Well no shit. But unlike those acts of God, you can in fact stab Grimm to death, you can be proactive in lessening the threat, and you can feel catharsis in fighting back where Mother Nature is unrelenting.

    In general, I feel Remnant would treat the Grimm in general as natural disasters. Perhaps a bit more omnipresent, but things that can be circumvented with enough preparation and control. It's a tragedy when there's loss of life, but blind panic is never going to help.

    That's why Cinder's plan generated fear. It's like if someone decided to dump a category 5 tornado in the middle of Washington DC to make a political statement. During the Olympics.
     
    My Ridiculous Idea for Chibi RWBY names(Except Wuby)
    Weissy
    Bwake
    Yangy

    Jan-Jan
    Phyr
    Nora(Cute enough)
    Renny

    Coco Puff
    Velvy
    Foxxy
    Yatsu

    Sunshine
    Nep
    Scarry
    Swage

    Penny(also cute enough)
     
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    skaianDestiny said:
    I recall during the Indian Ocean tsunamis a while back that there was a story about how the natives of an isolated island who had little to no contact with the modern world were able to survive the tsunami despite being near the epicenter. Ingrained into their culture was the fact that if the water receded way below the tides, then a big wave would come in and destroy everything near the coast, so they learned to run inland when it happened. In contrast, Europeans would have no experience with such an event, and if one were to occur a lot of people would die.
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    TBH I can't make heads or tails of people who voluntarily choose to live in places where natural disasters are a regular and/or serious consequence. That you live in a place where any day a tornado could just come through and obliterate your neighborhood. Ditto for hurricanes, flooding, forest fires, earthquakes, volcanoes, etc etc. I guess for them its normal, and it really doesn't happen all that often or isn't all that likely to affect them, but still.
     
    firefossil said:
    TBH I can't make heads or tails of people who voluntarily choose to live in places where natural disasters are a regular and/or serious consequence. That you live in a place where any day a tornado could just come through and obliterate your neighborhood. Ditto for hurricanes, flooding, forest fires, earthquakes, volcanoes, etc etc. I guess for them its normal, and it really doesn't happen all that often or isn't all that likely to affect them, but still.
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    I think you may be underestimating how hard it is to move from a place, both emotionally but also monetarily, let alone the potential political issues involved.
     
    Zam said:
    I think you may be underestimating how hard it is to move from a place, both emotionally but also monetarily, let alone the potential political issues involved.
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    Put another way: "Why do people choose to live in a country without free healthcare? Or pensions, for that matter."

    EDIT: To get this back on topic, how much of Remnant's population do you think lives underground? I could totally see Atlas being the Dwarven Kingdom expy. Also, let's hear some ideas for tunneling Grimm, because having to build a Kingdom's walls over bedrock seems like a fun detail.
     
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    I saw this point and thought it might be an interesting talking point.

    It might just be me, but it seemed that she landed with a rather significant impact, almost as if she picked up Penny's mass along with her weapons…
    From:ravenhull
     
    HoratioVonBecker said:
    EDIT: To get this back on topic, how much of Remnant's population do you think lives underground? I could totally see Atlas being the Dwarven Kingdom expy. Also, let's hear some ideas for tunneling Grimm, because having to build a Kingdom's walls over bedrock seems like a fun detail.
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    Didn't see this question, sorry.

    I think Atlas is above ground (Based on the possibly inaccurate map on the wiki showing greenery), but it being below would be totally awesome and fit with it, by virtue of the SDC, being the main supplier of Dust and metallic hallways stretching for miles filled with homes and wide open underground shopping arcades of simulated environments would be great.
    I also tend to imagine plenty of villages opting for homes carved out of the ground, more like a mix between bomb shelters and hobbit homes though.

    As for tunnelling Grimm, hmm, some sort of big worm like thing could works, or to take some inspiration from movies:


    Just your average day on Remnant.


    This is why Hunters don't take newbies out on grown up Grimm hunting missions, they see a flower and think its some easy to bully Grimm but those flowers are a sign of age and these things are land-worm equivilant of an angler fish, or more accurately... Nightmares! Underground! XD
     
    Could someone explain to me the appeal of Qrow Branwen? Because I don't see any appeal in a drunk who's a complete asshole to everyone around him and twists his niece's hero complex to his own ends.

    I guess he's good at fighting? Maybe some people consider him attractive?

    But I seriously don't get it.
     
    thesevenwielder said:
    Could someone explain to me the appeal of Qrow Branwen? Because I don't see any appeal in a drunk who's a complete asshole to everyone around him and twists his niece's hero complex to his own ends.

    I guess he's good at fighting? Maybe some people consider him attractive?

    But I seriously don't get it.
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    He's the "cool guy" who sticks it to Weiss' "bitchy" sister." Screws the rules and isn't afraid of getting into fights in public to put someone down. But he's also involved in the master plans and people respect him.

    He's another side of the male wish-fulfillment SI, other aspects being already covered by Jaune and Neptune.
     
    thesevenwielder said:
    Could someone explain to me the appeal of Qrow Branwen? Because I don't see any appeal in a drunk who's a complete asshole to everyone around him and twists his niece's hero complex to his own ends.

    I guess he's good at fighting? Maybe some people consider him attractive?

    But I seriously don't get it.
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    He's the "cool guy" who sticks it to Weiss' "bitchy" sister." Screws the rules and isn't afraid of getting into fights in public to put someone down. But he's also involved in the master plans and people respect him.

    He's another side of the male wish-fulfillment SI, other aspects being already covered by Jaune and Neptune.
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    That, and he's basically Classic Dante in personality. An asshole who knows he's an asshole, but still has a heart of gold and you would trust with your life. Heck, Winter's only problem with him seems to be his unprofessional demeanor, not the fact he is a bad person.
     
    Olive said:
    He's the "cool guy" who sticks it to Weiss' "bitchy" sister." Screws the rules and isn't afraid of getting into fights in public to put someone down. But he's also involved in the master plans and people respect him.

    He's another side of the male wish-fulfillment SI, other aspects being already covered by Jaune and Neptune.
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    Err... I'm not sure about it.

    I mean, yeah, he can scythe people up, so he's in the conspiracy - he probably got in before he became a drunkard - but I don't really see the other characters respecting him. It's more of a tolerating thing because he's actually good at his job (probably, though Amber did get ganked while he was supposed to help her).

    (and the whole manipulating Ruby is kinda bullshit, though that's not in your post)
     
    thesevenwielder said:
    Could someone explain to me the appeal of Qrow Branwen?
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    He's good-looking, a badass fighter with a lot of style, and he's got some really good lines.

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    Because I don't see any appeal in a drunk who's a complete asshole to everyone around him
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    An asshole absolutely, but complete asshole? No dice. He has a lot of respect for Ozpin, the only times he's rude to Ruby or Yang is when he's giving his weird version of a pep talk, and if he was a complete asshole he'd have done what Ironwood thought he was doing when he attacked that Grimm. Qrow could have easily gotten in at least one hit before Ironwood explained what had happened and everyone probably would have believed him if he'd said he thought Ironwood had turned traitor. Instead he willingly admits that he knows Ironwood's no traitor.

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    and twists his niece's hero complex to his own ends.
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    :rolleyes:

    You mean when he realized there was no f*cking way she was going to just sit down and let the adults handle this, and he knew that, so he instead just convinced her to wait until she was recovered first so her chances of survival would be better? Or when he pointed her in the right direction so that at the very least he'd know where she was and could better keep an eye on her while he went looking for clues as well? Oh yeah, truly a manipulator most vile.
     
    Also Qrow most likely isnt as drunk as he appears to be. He goes from stumbling drunk to incredible swordsman WAY too fast.
    I think he plays up the drunk part so people dont take him seriously which is a SERIOUS mistake. Ironwood about BEEP himself when he thought Qrow was going to attack him.
    More then likely Qrow does drink but isnt as effected as he appears and doesnt drink as much as he looks like he does. That Flask some Brandy mixed with water will give you liquor breath but not get you drunk.

    He also isnt an asshole without reason. In regards to Winter and Ironwood what they did was a serious screw up and just waiting for an international incident. When you dont know who the people you are fighting look like and what their goals are bringing in an obvious military power to surround a different kingdoms capital is not a smart move.

    As for Ruby he didnt twist anything Ruby was going to go anyway all he did was tell her to rest and heal while also giving her an actual clue on where to start. Ruby watched one of her friends die, her school destroyed, her team smashed, and dozen of other things of that sort. Ruby isnt the kind of girl to let that slide and Qrow knows it, so he gave her some direction which based on him watching over them as they leave means he isnt just going have fun he is most likely going to shadow them or make sure they are protected on their way to Haven.
     
    The "Qrow is an asshole for manipulating Ruby" stuff is as dumb as the "Dumbledore is an asshole for manipulating Harry" stuff, but Qrow is still definitely an asshole.
    He went looking for a fight with Winter, he showed up to a goddamn secret cabal meeting drunk, and he's just generally rude to people. Just because he's good at his job doesn't make him not kind of an asshole.
     
    Okay, I admit I was a bit hasty on the whole manipulative thing. But frankly, he's still an asshole. He decided to insult Pyrrha's team because...? I mean, he says they're useless, but it was clearly Nora who one their match. I didn't see him giving a pep talk to Yang, who needs it a hell of a lot more than Ruby needs to hear about going to Mistral.

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    He also isnt an asshole without reason. In regards to Winter and Ironwood what they did was a serious screw up and just waiting for an international incident. When you dont know who the people you are fighting look like and what their goals are bringing in an obvious military power to surround a different kingdoms capital is not a smart move.
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    "proving a point?" What sort of point did he prove? He randomly destroyed a bunch of Atlesian property, and insulted Winter. He wanted to try and prove Atlas couldn't be trusted, because... why? He's fearmongering. We see no one but him having problems with Atlas. The Vale council or whatever was in 100% approval of Ironwood bringing his army into Vale. The only two useful things he's done is save Amber (and he almost fucked that up, too) and fight well in the Battle for Beacon.
     
    thesevenwielder said:
    Okay, I admit I was a bit hasty on the whole manipulative thing. But frankly, he's still an asshole. He decided to insult Pyrrha's team because...? I mean, he says they're useless, but it was clearly Nora who one their match.
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    No, Pyrrha said she wouldn't have made it to the finals without her team, then Qrow said it's closer to the other way around. And he's not entirely wrong; Pyrrha is very much the best fighter on the team. Nora won the team match for them, yes, but we didn't get to see the Doubles, which is what would have been in Qrow's mind when he said that. It's a dick thing to say, yeah, and he had no real reason to say it other than to be a dick, but he hardly called them useless. He just thinks Pyrrha's the MVP and is indulging in false modesty for claiming otherwise.

    Is he right? Eh, kind of, but I'd argue he's exaggerating. Pyrrha probably could have carried any decent team to victory, but I'd argue that JNR probably could have at least made it to the finals with a lesser teammate, so long as they weren't as "lesser" as Jaune.

    thesevenwielder said:
    I didn't see him giving a pep talk to Yang, who needs it a hell of a lot more than Ruby needs to hear about going to Mistral.
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    You didn't see Taiyang giving a pep talk to Yang either, are you automatically going to just assume he's a terrible parent who won't try to comfort his daughter? You can't just assume something that doesn't happen onscreen automatically doesn't happen. The show doesn't show her dad and uncle trying to get Yang out of her funk because:

    a.) it clearly didn't work and would thus be a waste of time and animation in an episode that's already about twice as long as every episode previous, and
    b.) that part of the episode was more focused on Ruby anyway, so we only see her unsuccessful attempt to get through to Yang, which is enough to get across the fact that nobody's getting through to Yang right now

    thesevenwielder said:
    "proving a point?" What sort of point did he prove? He randomly destroyed a bunch of Atlesian property, and insulted Winter. He wanted to try and prove Atlas couldn't be trusted, because... why? He's fearmongering. We see no one but him having problems with Atlas. The Vale council or whatever was in 100% approval of Ironwood bringing his army into Vale. The only two useful things he's done is save Amber (and he almost fucked that up, too) and fight well in the Battle for Beacon.
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    Why are you acting as though @revanninja ever said that Qrow was "proving a point?" Because I just looked his post up and down and then did a word search just to be sure. He never said anything remotely like that.

    revanninja said:
    He also isnt an asshole without reason. In regards to Winter and Ironwood what they did was a serious screw up and just waiting for an international incident. When you dont know who the people you are fighting look like and what their goals are bringing in an obvious military power to surround a different kingdoms capital is not a smart move.
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    That's what he said. He said that Qrow thought Ironwood was making a huge mistake by bringing his troops into Vale. He said nothing else. He also didn't say anything resembling "Qrow was justified for doing it." He argued that Qrow is an asshole, but he had a reason to be an asshole. A reason, not an excuse.
     
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    thesevenwielder said:
    Okay, I admit I was a bit hasty on the whole manipulative thing. But frankly, he's still an asshole. He decided to insult Pyrrha's team because...? I mean, he says they're useless, but it was clearly Nora who one their match. I didn't see him giving a pep talk to Yang, who needs it a hell of a lot more than Ruby needs to hear about going to Mistral.


    "proving a point?" What sort of point did he prove? He randomly destroyed a bunch of Atlesian property, and insulted Winter. He wanted to try and prove Atlas couldn't be trusted, because... why? He's fearmongering. We see no one but him having problems with Atlas. The Vale council or whatever was in 100% approval of Ironwood bringing his army into Vale. The only two useful things he's done is save Amber (and he almost fucked that up, too) and fight well in the Battle for Beacon.
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    And when did I say proving a point?
    I said he was an asshole with a reason not that he was proving a point when fighting Winter.
    The council also CLEARLY has a problem with Ozpin and are also NOT informed of the situation as made clear by the fact not even Ozpin has all the facts. Also you are forgetting the council only reached its 100% AFTER the breach and oh hey we just had a major grimm issue why not keep an army around.

    As for Amber its clear she was suppose to meet up with him he didnt realize anything was wrong until after the fight my guess the big cyclone was the give away. You are being really unfair to him.

    Qrow isnt perfect he has issues and he makes mistakes.
     
    Note that uh, Ozpin agreed that bringing an army into Vale was a bad call. They had a whole conversation about it during s3ep3, about how armies are symbols of conflict and bringing one to the Vytal festival raises the question of what it's present to defend against.

    So, no, the Vale council was emphatically not "in 100% approval of Ironwood bringing his army into Vale."
     
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