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RWBY Thread III: Time To Say Goodbye

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Stop: So gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
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    • so gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
    We get a lot of reports from this thread. A lot of it is just a series of people yelling at each other over arguments that have been rehashed hundreds of times since the end of the recent Volume. And I get that the last Volume - and RWBY in general, really - has some controversial moments that people will want to discuss, argue about, debate, etc.

    That's fine. We're not going to stop people from doing that, because that's literally what the point of the thread is. However, there's just a point where it gets to be a bit too much, and arguments about whether or not Ironwood was morally justified in his actions in the recent Volume, or if RWBY and her team were in the right for withholding information from Ironwood out of distrust, or whatever flavor of argument of the day descend into insulting other posters, expressing a demeaning attitude towards other's opinions, and just being overall unpleasant. That tends to happen a lot in this thread. We want it to stop happening in this thread.

    So! As of now the thread is in a higher state of moderation. What that means is that any future infractions will result in a weeklong boot from the thread, and repeated offenders will likely be permanently removed. So please, everyone endeavor to actually respect the other's arguments, and even if you strongly disagree with them please stay civil and mindful when it comes to responding to others.

    In addition, users should refrain from talking about off-site users in the thread. Bear in mind that this does not mean that you cannot continue to post tumblr posts, for example, that add onto the discussion in the thread, with the caveat that it's related to RWBY of course. But any objections to offsite users in the thread should be handled via PM, or they'll be treated as thread violations and infracted as such.
     
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    • I marathoned RWBY with my mother and she thinks
    Pyrrha will come back because of how she died. Pyrrha was my solid favorite, but I don't agree that the nature of her death (flashy ashes) was meant to be a way for the writers to bring her back. I thought the intention of the scene was to show she was Dead Than Dead, that Cinder used either her semblance (the dissolving thing?) or her Maiden abilities (either way it's her power) to vaporise Pyrrha. She seems at least likely to do that just to rub salt in the wounds, or make sure Pyrrha is gone for good to prevent another Amber situation.

    I do think there was something weird going on with the red glow on the arrow that killed her, Maiden powers and Cinder's dust magic hax don't look like that. It's also not like the red grimm portal in the OP and I don't remember seeing it anywhere else.
    ...Not sure if my mom actually believes she'll be back or if she's just comforting me OTL
     
    Prince Eggplant said:
    I marathoned RWBY with my mother and she thinks
    Pyrrha will come back because of how she died. Pyrrha was my solid favorite, but I don't agree that the nature of her death (flashy ashes) was meant to be a way for the writers to bring her back. I thought the intention of the scene was to show she was Dead Than Dead, that Cinder used either her semblance (the dissolving thing?) or her Maiden abilities (either way it's her power) to vaporise Pyrrha. She seems at least likely to do that just to rub salt in the wounds, or make sure Pyrrha is gone for good to prevent another Amber situation.

    I do think there was something weird going on with the red glow on the arrow that killed her, Maiden powers and Cinder's dust magic hax don't look like that. It's also not like the red grimm portal in the OP and I don't remember seeing it anywhere else.
    ...Not sure if my mom actually believes she'll be back or if she's just comforting me OTL
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    Don't think this needs to be spoilered anymore.

    Personally I expect Pyrra to stay dead. The more I think about it I sort of expect Penny to stay dead as well. Like @Anzer'ke said this is a decision that requires a lot of bravery from the writers to pull off and they've already flubbed the execution which means they need to salvage it from this point onward. They might fail if they go forward but they'll definitely fail if they step back.

    So yeah, Pyrra is ashes, and Penny is scrap.

    However, Penny was a robot, she might have been a person as well, but there's nothing stopping Atlas from making another outwardly identical Penny.

    And it would be just about the right level of gut-punch after getting Weiss back on the team to meet Penny 2.0 who is not Penny and does not recognize Friend Ruby :(

    It would be a great opportunity for Ruby to be that honest soul we're always told she is by accepting that her friend is gone, accepting the hurt that comes with it, and choosing not to resent this new person for reminding her of Penny.
     
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    Xero Key said:
    Yep, she dead. Nora is going to die of exhaustion, Jaune by fire like a true hero, and Ren either lives with the guilt or commits suicide depending on which version of Mulan RT is looking at.
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    I don't know, I'd be surprised if every person in RWBY meets their mythologized destiny. Though yeah, if they do die I expect them to follow the fates of their inspirations.

    Jaune's got a bone to pick with Cinder for one, and she's pretty much a walking incinerator. Calling it now, Jaun sacrifices himself shielding Ruby. Ruby then ends Cinder in a small gap of vulnerability. Cinder dies painfully as her maiden powers cook her to ash from the inside.

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    There always the option of de facto committing suicide by soloing a group of enemies he has no chance of winning against
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    Nah, Ren'll take them all out to clear the way. He'll just die from his wounds soon after.
     
    With Penny I can agree but with Pyrrha....no.

    That scene was too flashy of a death were having the body would have been more final then the ashes, its also very odd behavior from cinder who has shown no respect to others for her to go out of her way to do that to Pyrrha, she had her dead burning her body is more effort then cinder expends which is no more then needed to get best results.
    Its also stupid from a combat perspective there is still fighters and as both Ruby and Pyrrha show they can find her. While she is powerful she will get tired and then a lucky hit will end her. So using more energy like that seems VERY out of character for her.

    Also as myself and others have pointed out Pyrrha's body doesnt glow or have visuals that have been connected to cinder.

    Basically there is enough odd things in it that makes me seriously think Pyrrha is not done and something is going on.

    And I disagree with the point on execution being a flub its only a flub if they meant Pyrrha to die but if they meant for it to be something more then its something different which makes all the odd things make sense.
     
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    revanninja said:
    That scene was too flashy of a death were having the body would have been more final then the ashes, its also very odd behavior from cinder who has shown no respect to others for her to go out of her way to do that to Pyrrha, she had her dead burning her body is more effort then cinder expends which is no more then needed to get best results.

    Its also stupid from a combat perspective there is still fighters and as both Ruby and Pyrrha show they can find her. While she is powerful she will get tired and then a lucky hit will end her. So using more energy like that seems VERY out of character for her.
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    Dude.

    She's won.

    Vale is getting wrecked.

    Atlesian fleet and army are in shambles.

    She's sitting in Ozpin's chair. What's left of it.

    She's just killed the last possible contender for the Fall Maiden's powers and taken any last dregs that Pyrra may have absorbed.

    And she has a gigantic Dragrimm at her beck and call.

    Ozpin could't beat her. Qrow and Glynda probably couldn't either. I mean, the only thing that could detract from her victory at that instant was something totally unexpected and out of left field.

    She was entitled to a little flamboyance.

    Also, Cinder seemed to show Pyrra a tiny measure of sympathy in her last moments, enough that turning her to ash may have been meant as a gesture of acknowledgment rather than leaving her corpse to rot.

    Azecreth said:
    On the scale of 'no chance of winning' vs 'dies from your wounds shortly after', I'd still say it counts as de facto committing suicide.
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    True. Just that he'll go out heroically.
     
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    Azecreth said:
    On the scale of 'no chance of winning' vs 'dies from your wounds shortly after', I'd still say it counts as de facto committing suicide.
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    No it depends on if he knew he was going to die or not.
    Its one thing to go into a battle knowing you can win but you will die vs going into battle and getting hit that is fatal.
    Battles arent numbers sometimes luck plays a role and all its takes is being unlucky once for it to be the end for you.
    Also if they have no choice then its not committing suicide.
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    Dude.

    She's won.

    Vale is getting wrecked.

    She's sitting in Ozpin's Office. What's left of it.

    She's just killed the last possible contender for the Fall Maiden's powers and taken any last dregs that Pyrra may have absorbed.

    And she has a gigantic Dragrimm at her beck and call.

    Ozpin could't beat her. Qrow and Glynda probably couldn't either. I mean, the only thing that could detract from her victory at that instant was something totally unexpected and out of left field.

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    Seeing your edit Cinder hasnt shown any types of feelings of respect or sympathy to anyone before hand so her suddenly showing it to Pyrrha doesnt really make sense.

    True. Just that he'll go out heroically.
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    So she killed Glynda Qrow and James?
    Qrow who has been said is the most powerful hunter?
    She may have won but that doesnt mean the battle is finished.
    As amber so clearly demonstrated having the fall powers doesnt mean Win there is enough people there and who will have a grudge against her that wasting effort would be stupid.

    All it takes is either someone good enough or just enough fodder for her to lose.
    Never assume just because someone gained their objective means they can't lose. Cinder won her objectives but until there is no more fighters or she quits the field she is still in danger and can still be taken out.
     
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    revanninja said:
    Never assume just because someone gained their objective means they can't lose. Cinder won her objectives but until there is no more fighters or she quits the field she is still in danger and can still be taken out.
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    You missed that she can fly and has a huge ass Dragrimm to cover her escape. If she really felt in danger she could just, y'know, leave. There's also no indication that she felt the least bit taxed. The amount of power she can use in any given moment may be limited but her reserves may well be infinite or as near as to be the same thing.
     
    revanninja said:
    No it depends on if he knew he was going to die or not.
    Its one thing to go into a battle knowing you can win but you will die vs going into battle and getting hit that is fatal.
    Battles arent numbers sometimes luck plays a role and all its takes is being unlucky once for it to be the end for you.
    Also if they have no choice then its not committing suicide.
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    In this particular situation, it's Ren going in knowing that he will die but doing it anyway. Everything we've seen thus far in the show gives the impression of Ren as a glass cannon, if not even that due to not having that much offensive output in the first place besides his agility and ability to manipulate Aura. Throw enough enemies at him and eve he would be able to recognize when he's going down.
     
    Azecreth said:
    In this particular situation, it's Ren going in knowing that he will die but doing it anyway. Everything we've seen thus far in the show gives the impression of Ren as a glass cannon, if not even that due to not having that much offensive output in the first place besides his agility and ability to manipulate Aura. Throw enough enemies at him and eve he would be able to recognize when he's going down.
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    He'll last long enough to sit down next to Nora . . . won't he. :cry:
     
    Triggerhappy said:
    You missed that she can fly and has a huge ass Dragrimm to cover her escape. If she really felt in danger she could just, y'know, leave. There's also no indication that she felt the least bit taxed. The amount of power she can use in any given moment may be limited but her reserves may well be infinite or as near as to be the same thing.
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    Her flying seems limited from looking at it and the dragon seems more likely it wont attack her not as an ally and willing to defend her.
    And her aura still has limits. Amber's fight made that clear you can see the effect they use when Aura depletes.
    So while her ability to attack may be limitless or not, right now we barely know anything about the maiden powers, but her Aura is mostly certainl;y not and we know it isnt.
    Pyrrha gave her a beating that had to have taken a large chunk out of her aura and then her fight with Ozpin.

    We know from Amber that Maiden powers can be beat Cinder overwhelmed her with 3 fighters to her one, Cinder has just had 2 massive fights in a very short span of time she has to be feeling it and with 3 others fighters that are recognized as being really powerful and who know full well what a danger cinder with maiden powers are her doing it makes less and less sense.

    Azecreth said:
    In this particular situation, it's Ren going in knowing that he will die but doing it anyway. Everything we've seen thus far in the show gives the impression of Ren as a glass cannon, if not even that due to not having that much offensive output in the first place besides his agility and ability to manipulate Aura. Throw enough enemies at him and eve he would be able to recognize when he's going down.
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    It depends on the situation if for example its do it or everyone else dies then is it suicide or sacrifice for the greater good?
    Also there is a LOT of ways to make a glass cannon handle a large group of enemies without trouble you just need to use terrain to limit how many he has to fight and stagger them out.
     
    So moving on from the Pyrrha debate because honestly we will go around and around in circles and until they tell us 100% Pyrrha is dead or we get shown that Pyrrha is "Alive", Ghost or mind controlled, its pointless to continue other then to recognize some of us see her as something off and others that she is dead.

    Does anyone have their own ideas for a RWBY weapon?
    Like me I have always liked Cinder's swordbow so my weapon of choice would be 2 Short swords with a blade of 21 inches and a handle of 6 inches shaped like EMIYA's blades from Fate/Stay Night in that no crossguard and a smooth blade though a little longer with a bit straighter blades. The Backs would have pulley like inserts that make the Bow part work. They would connect like Cinder's does to make a 54 inches short bow and when connected a flap near the tip opens and ejects the string with half a metal string nock that locks into one launched from the bottom blade to create the full string.
    When you pull back on it the Pulleys will move at different rates to create string tension.

    The arrows would be foldable ones using the tech the guns seem to employ allowing more arrows to be carried easier. They would be about the size of 6 inches folded and would have simple broadhead arrow points when unfolded. Some of them would be equipped with dust chambers for special arrows.

    That is my idea anyways.
    Anyone have theirs?
     
    Personally, I've always imagined using shotgun/machine pistol tonfas. It showed up in a generator and it honestly makes a lot of sense.
     
    Azecreth said:
    Personally, I've always imagined using shotgun/machine pistol tonfas. It showed up in a generator and it honestly makes a lot of sense.
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    http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/tmnt/images/5/55/Tonfa.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20131011221141
    So they short end would be shotguns and the long machine guns?
    I am not an expert but I have used tonfas the quick jabs combined with a shotgun would be really effective and the spinning strike where you roll the Long part out to strike could be used as a sweeping firing.

    Thinking on it I would make it shotgun only since it makes it more controllable since I know there is grapple moves where you grab the Long spar and use the handle plus the short spar to twist and lock joints.
    It would also be cool if the spinning strikes are how the shotgun gets reloaded where the strike is designed to hit and engage the breach ejecting the shell.
     
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