RWBY Thread III: Time To Say Goodbye

Stop: So gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
so gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
We get a lot of reports from this thread. A lot of it is just a series of people yelling at each other over arguments that have been rehashed hundreds of times since the end of the recent Volume. And I get that the last Volume - and RWBY in general, really - has some controversial moments that people will want to discuss, argue about, debate, etc.

That's fine. We're not going to stop people from doing that, because that's literally what the point of the thread is. However, there's just a point where it gets to be a bit too much, and arguments about whether or not Ironwood was morally justified in his actions in the recent Volume, or if RWBY and her team were in the right for withholding information from Ironwood out of distrust, or whatever flavor of argument of the day descend into insulting other posters, expressing a demeaning attitude towards other's opinions, and just being overall unpleasant. That tends to happen a lot in this thread. We want it to stop happening in this thread.

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I wouldn't be averse to something like using the environment to massively inure it, then one or two characters deal the finishing blow.
I have said before nailing its wing and taking out of the sky would be the first step to killing it, if they do it right they could make it crash into something that would hurt it. For example beacon seems to have a drop off point at the Bull landing pads if you take its wing over that drop point the fall will most likely hurt it since I dont how deep that drop off I dont know how much but if you are REALLY lucky you could make it fall onto one iots legs breaking it and limiting its mobility even more.
And those wings are membrane which means taking out a wing is actually VERY easy to do. You see membrane wings are skin stretched and then put under air pressure so if you put a hole in it the air pressure needed for it to fly will make the hole bigger. And if you cant punch a big enough hole into the skin for the wing to fail you punch a LOT of smaller grouped together holes onto it so as they tear the holes tear together and collectively tear a larger hole in the wing.
And even if you cant tear a hole big enough to make the wing fail each hole is going to limit its ability to move as the damaged wing will provide different lift then an undamaged one making mid air moves much harder for it to pull off much like driving with a full tire on one side and a deflated tire on the other you can do it but not easily.

The other thing to keep in mind with Big creatures is they make big targets. So in direct combat one person fighting it might have no chance but if its also being peppered by long range attacks those chances go up by a lot.

There are a LOT of ways to fight that Dragon you just have to be smart and not rush in.
 
Ok, I'm going to do my best to address this point by point. It's kinda long, so it might take a while and I might miss some stuff.

First up I'll make the point I've made like six times already: Yang is not getting beaten down more than anyone else.

Let's look at the evidence and do a comparison right from the start of the trailers through to end chapter 11 of Volume 3 of all of RWBY. Both Ruby and Yang get through their trailers without really getting scratched, while Blake and Weiss take blows that take them temporarily out of the fights they're in. Yang's fight is also notably more impressive in that she's fighting trained humans, with aura and weaponry of their own. We'll ignore episode 1 and move straight into dropping into the forest where Yang loses one strand of hair to an Ursa and then kicks its ass - Blake kills another while its back is turned and Weiss and Ruby are klutzes. We then get to e8 - Ruby is almost killed by being overeager, Blake almost falls to her death because Nora's careless, Weiss and Yang remain unharmed with Yang getting extra credit for jumping into a Nevermore's mouth. No real fights involving the team until Blake's bout with Torchwick which it seems a little unfair to count given that no-one else is really there, but Ruby does get knocked out of the fight in under a second when she does show up.

So we end V1/Trailers with, by my count, Yang having lost maybe two strands of hair and taken a blow from a baseball bat that charged her semblance in comparison with two near death encounters and injuries on other teammates. Yang has so far got a 100% win rate.

V2: Episode 1. Yang gets knocked back by Pyrrha baguettes, beats Ren hands down, is sent flying by Nora but doesn't seem too inconvenienced by it (the whole food fight is...really irritating actually, but that's a problem for another time). Weiss is taken out almost as soon as she starts fighting in a pretty serious way, and Blake is beaten by Pyrrha-OP bullshit. Ruby makes it through totally unharmed. We then get the e4 fight scene where Yang is punched through a pillar...but it's shown to not even slow her down at all, and in fact to be crucial to them winning. No-one else is really hurt on team RWBY afaik. Mountain Glenn...Yang's showing against the random Grimm is pretty mediocre, but pretty much all of team RWBY's is. We then get the train fight, where Weiss gets a badass moment and then is pwned, Blake beats Torchwick, Ruby does fuckall and Yang is pwned. First real loss for Yang. We then get the breach fight where...almost everyone does fuckall cause it's such a non-threat. Yang does kick some ass in this fight though.

Total count now is something like eight fights, of which Yang and Weiss have definitively lost one each, and Blake and Ruby have arguably lost one or two. Yang still, however, has the most impressive showings in fights and nothing that really can be seriously called an injury.

V3: Episode one fight has good showings for Blake and Yang - Blake pretty much solos Reese, and Yang deals that final knockout blow while having also had a good showing against...monk lady, shit I don't know her name, apart from one stumble due to her unusual weapon. Ruby and Weiss both kinda look like chumps though, especially Ruby. Uh, then we have the Neon fight - where she does spend the first half of the fight being incompetently distracted and taunted to near failure, before miraculously carrying the day with untold destruction, and Weiss gets really unlucky (she almost takes out Flynt - if it weren't for the surprise of the killer quartet she probably would). The fight with Mercury which she wins - yes, he was probably holding back, but she still wins the fight hands down. Then the Adam fight, where she gets fucked up - compare with Ruby vs Torchwick/Neo (Ruby gets fucked up, Grimm/umbrella/overconfidence ex machina), Weiss vs Paladins (Weiss kicks ass), and Blake vs Adam (Blake gets the shit kicked out of her).

Yang's loss count is now at two, with one chump showing and one cheap trick post fight; and she has the only serious injury on the team, true (well, maybe Blake's gut wound should count...). Ruby has, by my count, three or four losses (that initial fumble with the Deathstalker almost killing her, getting punk'd by Torchwick at the end of V1, the train), as do Weiss and Blake.

So quit talking bullshit.

Also, while elsewhere you go into applaudable detail, here you just say 'I don't like the tone' without any clarification. Could you expand?



But almost none of them are developed? Let's count the new characters who we actually know a little about - Coco, Yatsuhashi, Velvet, Sun, Neptune. Five people. Hardly reams. Maybe Flynt and Neon if we're being super generous. The rest are basically 'Private Friendly' - which is fine, because Private Friendly won't just be called Private Friendly and will, IRL, have a name and backstory etc. - so it makes sense other trainee hunters would too, even if their role is only as private friendly. In fact it's a strength of the show that even the random friendlies have unique backstories and personalities, because otherwise the universe would be flat dull and half constructed.

Not sure why Velvet bores you. Again, I think I need clarification?



Fair enough on the hacking - I do think that they really really should've expanded on that a little more. Hopefully they'll address that in V4. Not sure where you're getting 'best huntar evar' from though - we've seen her in four, maybe five fight scenes. First was as shadowy figure vs Glynda where they seemed pretty evenly matched. Second was against Ruby, a student, and a bunch of mooks, and she fought for about three seconds before running the fuck away. Third was the snip we get of the round of 4 in the tournament, where again she's fighting a group of kids with the support of a cyborg assassin, Emerald and Neo. Fourth was the Amber Ambush, which is arguably her best showing, what with her taking down Amber's Aura (which does sweet FA), briefly clashing blades with Amber, and dealing the killshot. She was barely there. How is any of this 'best huntar evar'? A better target for this criticism might be - much as I love them - Qrow or Glynda, who we haven't seen fail at all ever. At anything.

Moreover, I think you're forgetting Dance Dance Infiltration here. She's shown typing on the CCT terminal for some time before the chess pieces begin to appear - so no, it's not just as straightforward as plug a phone in and control everything. Moreover, the way she talks about 'new access point' regarding Ozpin's desk seems to suggest it spreads like, well, an actual virus, requiring contact between contaminated machines in order for her to take control. Hardly an 'insta-win' button, even if it is ridiculously OP. Also, where are you getting undetectable from? No-one's detected it yet because she hadn't really done anything, and by the time she had most people were busy getting shot/eaten.

Fair enough on the stealth. The Haven students thing is something else that really needs to be explained.



Going to agree with @MinorGryph here and say that - especially given the new trailer - Cinder's plan seems to be stall Oz so they can't deal with the dragon. Ozpin felt he needed Maiden Pyrrha + him to fight the dragon/Cinder - now the maiden power's on the dragon's side, he's calling up Qrow, Ironwood and Glynda to do their best as replacement Pyrrhas. That's not exactly overwhelming power, though it is scary.

Amber was defeated by an AMBUSH. By a cyborg ninja assassin who killed his world renowned assassin dad, someone who found out about Maidens god knows how and may control Grimm, and someone with literally the perfect semblance for setting up an ambush. AND SHE STILL ALMOST WRECKED THEIR SHIT. Look at Beginning of the End again - Amber would have killed anyone who wasn't a cyborg with that blast of fire she used on Mercury, she does severely injure Emerald with the frozen leaves which Merc again only survives because superior cyborg race, and then she wrecks Cinder and Mercury before almost killing Emerald. Like, how is that not pretty fucking powerful? Maybe not as much as some people are hyping it up to be but still.

Other three Maidens...yeah we just don't know enough about that. I don't think there are another three Maidens atm - I certainly didn't get that impression from the expositional lump in Fall. And even if there are, maybe they can't leave their appointed kingdom? Who knows.

Also, as someone else pointed out, Cinder's main accomplishments as a full Maiden so far are punching Jaune and knocking aside a door. Real impressive.

In short, while I understand and agree with parts of your opinion, I think others are wild overreaction/flat out misremembering or misinterpretation.

Also @thesevenwielder - maybe if you left a disclaimer at the bottom of your posts saying 'feel free to engage me in rational debate' like LD did rather than being a snarky dick and hanging around the thread devoted to a show you've said you don't really like we'd maybe take you more seriously.
First off, I'll assuage your concerns of me talking Bullshit. I agree on Yang, having read your analysis. It was a comment I was wrong about, most certainly not a hill I'm going to die on. And by the tone, I meant that the "Cinder is unstoppable" vibe that's coming out a bit. Next, I loved the characters when they were introduced, and you're right that it's a very strong point of RWBY that the character creation is so involved. There's no good way to fix my problem with that part, so I'm going to let it go. They just felt like faces in a mob to me, but that happens in any group battle. And don't worry about Velvet, that's just a personal preference. Not a real criticism of the show or its writing.

Next, the hacking. The points brought up by @EnderofWorlds has convinced me, as well as your own corrections to what I was remembering. There's no real reason for them to have a serious hacking defense on things being plugged into that ship either, so I'll leave it be. Although Neo kicking the ass of the entire crew is kinda bullshit, but that's Hunters in general. The point is, I agree on the hacking.

As for the maidens. Good points. I just feel like they were hyped up as more than the ability they displayed. Sure it's magnitudes above most hunters, but if any three hunters can take them on directly and win, it's not the natural disaster everyone makes it out to be. Sure, the Dragon plan is valid, but Ozpin has no reason to think Cinder has any clue that the Dragon is there, much less have intent to unleash it on the kingdom. And back to direct power, it was not a particularly effective ambush. If it was, they wouldn't have let her see them until they had already attacked her. Emerald practically announced her presence if I remember correctly. Everything else I agree with, and Cinder's plan is definitely a threat. I just feel like the maiden aspect was overhyped.

Disclaimer, I've had a hectic last few days and wrote this on my phone. Typos or structural nonsense can be attributed to that.
 
Although Neo kicking the ass of the entire crew is kinda bullshit, but that's Hunters in general.
To be fair Neo's apparently meant to be one of the more dangerous fighters, has illusions to help out and chances are there weren't any, or weren't many Atlas specialists on-board so all she would be going up against are people who can take out Scrub-Grim but nothing higher.

As for the maidens. Good points. I just feel like they were hyped up as more than the ability they displayed. Sure it's magnitudes above most hunters, but if any three hunters can take them on directly and win, it's not the natural disaster everyone makes it out to be.
I'm sort of half and half myself, I can see where you're coming from but feel that Cinder is seemingly at least a little out of context, Emerald's power makes fighting her, let alone with allies, a nightmare no matter how strong someone is and Mercury is the son of a highly regarded assassin and the assassin of a highly regarded assassin.

Though the other thing when it comes to the Maidens, for me, is that I think that even f they aren't as powerful as some expected in direct combat they may be able to apply their powers on a wider and longer term scale than Hunters. That is to say, imagine Amber expanding the storm she made and using it on a city, or a small army and not requiring Dust or Aura like other people do; its possible the world of Hunters has somewhat caught up in terms of direct smashing power but few could match the Maiden's for 'reach' so to speak. Though I am just theorising.

Emerald practically announced her presence if I remember correctly.
Sort of yes and no she was actually doing a good job but Cinder said not a foot out of place and sadly for Emerald she accidentally scuffed up a little bit of dust while tricking Amber and Amber was paranoid enough to quickly deduce she was under attack.
 
Sort of yes and no she was actually doing a good job but Cinder said not a foot out of place and sadly for Emerald she accidentally scuffed up a little bit of dust while tricking Amber and Amber was paranoid enough to quickly deduce she was under attack.

I liked what little we saw of Amber. Kind enough to want to help a crying girl on the roadside, hardcore enough to just straight bash a fucker's head in with no kind of warning or hesitation when they attack her. The comparison to a Bethesda game protagonist is very apt.

You know, for all the good it did her.
 
Well, she can't reload if a bandit attack kills her. Her problem was putting all her skills in Destruction. She should have put some in Enchanting to create some protective robes or maybe some go for some Mage Armor perks.
 
I liked what little we saw of Amber. Kind enough to want to help a crying girl on the roadside, hardcore enough to just straight bash a fucker's head in with no kind of warning or hesitation when they attack her. The comparison to a Bethesda game protagonist is very apt.

You know, for all the good it did her.

Resisting 'arrow to the X' lines is proving difficult
 
I liked what little we saw of Amber. Kind enough to want to help a crying girl on the roadside, hardcore enough to just straight bash a fucker's head in with no kind of warning or hesitation when they attack her. The comparison to a Bethesda game protagonist is very apt.

You know, for all the good it did her.
Yeah I loved that, it brings about audience sympathy but avoided making her look weak or foolish. But yeah, sadly it did not help her.

Edit: Seriously though I love the "Bit of dust in the air? I'm under attack! Prepare to wreck face!" Like the shift was seamless.
 
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For instance, I tend to assume Sun comes from money and that at least one of his parents is human which is what led him to being fairly insulated from the issues faced by other Faunus and in a social position where his monkey tail is seen more as a "unique trait" over how his fellows would otherwise see a none wealthy Faunus's animal traits.
Given his run-ins with the law and casual theft, my impression of Sun was a bit different. I guess it wouldn't be hard to rationalize it (e.g. Sun doesn't fear getting caught because his family will bail him out), but it seems like an idea that's interesting because it upsets expectations, rather than one that's plausible.

Velvet is part-Schnee.

We know semblances are somewhat hereditary - very hereditary in the case of Weiss/Winter/Papa Schnee etc. - and Velvet's semblance (if it was her semblance not her weapon) is summoning blue-white constructs based on things she's encountered in the past. The Schnee semblance is summoning blue-white constructs of things defeated in the past.

So I reckon that, a long time ago, in the great tradition of oppressed peoples, a Schnee banged some poor faunus lass because 'it doesn't count if it's part animal, right fellas?', she got knocked up and the line continued until we get Velvet.
I like the idea of the Schnee semblance popping up somewhere unexpected. If not Velvet, perhaps another Faunus.

The fact that "hereditary semblances" exist is just begging for such a situation, where the unique nature of semblances make it hard to deny a bastard's lineage.

Fair enough, I guess we'll see what happens. Heck, maybe its like a boss fight and has a hidden weak point, "attack here to kill Grim" XD
"Giant enemy lizard! Attack its weak point for massive damage!" :p

Matt's a gift to the fandom. Some favs:
Still not as bad as Adam's actual lines:

Didn't realize how funny Neo's expression was:

Everything about this:

Didn't notice Jaune's sneaker label:

Though the other thing when it comes to the Maidens, for me, is that I think that even f they aren't as powerful as some expected in direct combat they may be able to apply their powers on a wider and longer term scale than Hunters.
I've used Galadriel as an example (putting aside the Hobbit movies). Though to be honest there just isn't enough information. (Was Amber a rookie? Did Cinder's ambush put Amber at a disadvantage? We don't know.)

Hopefully we'll get a better picture when Cinder fights Ozpin. (That is, if we get to see it, given that it was said Ozpin wasn't supposed to fight this volume.)
 
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Given his run-ins with the law and casual theft, my impression of Sun was a bit different. I guess it wouldn't be hard to rationalize it (e.g. Sun doesn't fear getting caught because his family will bail him out), but it seems like an idea that's interesting because it upsets expectations, rather than one that's plausible.
I think this might just be my expectations of rich youth behaviour being different to some other people's as flouting the law in relatively minor ways for laughs is often something I've come to expect from rich teenagers and young adults. That and I felt it worked more because it meant he was more likely to be insulated from the issues faced by Faunus leading to both his ignorance about their issues and the White Fang's motivations.

I like the idea of the Schnee semblance popping up somewhere unexpected. If not Velvet, perhaps another Faunus.

The fact that "hereditary semblances" exist is just begging for such a situation, where the unique nature of semblances make it hard to deny a bastard's lineage.
Totally agreed, it'd be awesome to see.

"Giant enemy lizard! Attack its weak point for massive damage!" :p
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I've used Galadriel as an example (putting aside the Hobbit movies). Though to be honest there just isn't enough information. (Was Amber a rookie? Did Cinder's ambush put Amber at a disadvantage? We don't know.)

Hopefully we'll get a better picture when Cinder fights Ozpin. (That is, if we get to see it, given that it was said Ozpin wasn't supposed to fight this volume.)
I'm afraid I wouldn't be familiar enough with the lore to really comment, though my broad strokes knowledge says the comparisons can make sense.

That'd be awesome, I still hope she turns the sky red and basically sets it on fire. (That is a concern, still best to prepare ourselves.)
 
You know something I think would be interesting, but unlikely, too happen. Ozpin and even the others die, or the conspiracy are left in a position where at this time they can't interact with lost and scattered students (mostly RWBY and JNPR for story telling time necessities) who only know the vagueries of what happened, Cinder manipulated things, that's what she looks like, she gained magical powers and there's three other magical people she's seemingly after, and that's it, that's all they have to go on as they try to survive, track down and defeat Cinder because they don't know if anyone else has any idea what's going on and they have to do somehting.

Seriously season 4 just being all the students trucking around in an airship would be awesome, I wanna read that :)
 
You know something I think would be interesting, but unlikely, too happen. Ozpin and even the others die, or the conspiracy are left in a position where at this time they can't interact with lost and scattered students (mostly RWBY and JNPR for story telling time necessities) who only know the vagueries of what happened, Cinder manipulated things, that's what she looks like, she gained magical powers and there's three other magical people she's seemingly after, and that's it, that's all they have to go on as they try to survive, track down and defeat Cinder because they don't know if anyone else has any idea what's going on and they have to do somehting.

Seriously season 4 just being all the students trucking around in an airship would be awesome, I wanna read that :)
Yeah! And it'll called be the Avenger and they'll be forced to be a guerilla for- wait...
 
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