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RWBY Thread III: Time To Say Goodbye

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Stop: So gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
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    • so gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
    We get a lot of reports from this thread. A lot of it is just a series of people yelling at each other over arguments that have been rehashed hundreds of times since the end of the recent Volume. And I get that the last Volume - and RWBY in general, really - has some controversial moments that people will want to discuss, argue about, debate, etc.

    That's fine. We're not going to stop people from doing that, because that's literally what the point of the thread is. However, there's just a point where it gets to be a bit too much, and arguments about whether or not Ironwood was morally justified in his actions in the recent Volume, or if RWBY and her team were in the right for withholding information from Ironwood out of distrust, or whatever flavor of argument of the day descend into insulting other posters, expressing a demeaning attitude towards other's opinions, and just being overall unpleasant. That tends to happen a lot in this thread. We want it to stop happening in this thread.

    So! As of now the thread is in a higher state of moderation. What that means is that any future infractions will result in a weeklong boot from the thread, and repeated offenders will likely be permanently removed. So please, everyone endeavor to actually respect the other's arguments, and even if you strongly disagree with them please stay civil and mindful when it comes to responding to others.

    In addition, users should refrain from talking about off-site users in the thread. Bear in mind that this does not mean that you cannot continue to post tumblr posts, for example, that add onto the discussion in the thread, with the caveat that it's related to RWBY of course. But any objections to offsite users in the thread should be handled via PM, or they'll be treated as thread violations and infracted as such.
     
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    • mistakenot said:
    Regarding Cinder's hacking, we as viewers saw Cinder plant a trojan in the CCT system, but Ruby and Ironwood only knew that someone had broken into Beacon tower, not why.
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    I thought the 'Queen' symbol was on all the screens? Though even then they could think they got it out or after removing the images not find anything else suspect.
     
    Zam said:
    I thought the 'Queen' symbol was on all the screens? Though even then they could think they got it out or after removing the images not find anything else suspect.
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    It was only one there for, like, a couple seconds. Presumably the virus fully implanting before going dormant or underground or whatever.
     
    Zam said:
    I thought the 'Queen' symbol was on all the screens? Though even then they could think they got it out or after removing the images not find anything else suspect.
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    As Azecreth said, we only saw it flicker on one screen, and then later when it jumped to Ironwood's scroll.

    Also, I chalk it up to the needs of storytelling: the audience needs some kind of visual cue to know that something happened.
     
    mistakenot said:
    As Azecreth said, we only saw it flicker on one screen, and then later when it jumped to Ironwood's scroll.

    Also, I chalk it up to the needs of storytelling: the audience needs some kind of visual cue to know that something happened.
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    Good points there, otherwise it would have been rather confounding for audiences I agree, plus things were kind of... chaotic, when it flickered anyway so it'd be easy to miss.
     
    mistakenot said:
    Regarding Cinder's hacking, we as viewers saw Cinder plant a trojan in the CCT system, but Ruby and Ironwood only knew that someone had broken into Beacon tower, not why.

    Given what we know now (that Amber is in the vault under the tower), it's likely Ozpin et al. were focused on the physical aspect of the intrusion, assuming the intruder's objective was to find Amber, rather than electronic infiltration.

    Another theory is that Cinder used some sort of possession-type Grimm (introduced in the latest RWBY manga chapter, controlling the armored suit in Weiss's trailer) to take over the CCT and Atlesian C&C systems, though this remains speculative since we're not entirely sure how canon the manga is.
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    I actually never thought about that; the Amber thing, not the possession-type Grimm as virus thing. But it does make sense, both Ozzy and Ironwood know that Amber's the true objective of Cinder and that the tower is both were they actually kept her and a key location where the enemy would assume they kept her.

    It also helps because only a complete madman would take down the CCT because it's literally the only source of communication the kingdoms have, including said madman. The fact that Cinder probably is willing to go that far isn't something easily predictable, even with her ganking Amber; that could just as easily be explained as a grab for power fueled by greed.
     
    EnderofWorlds said:
    It also helps because only a complete madman would take down the CCT because it's literally the only source of communication the kingdoms have, including said madman. The fact that Cinder probably is willing to go that far isn't something easily predictable, even with her ganking Amber; that could just as easily be explained as a grab for power fueled by greed.
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    Point. Shutting down the CCT, even when they know it's been hacked isn't actually as stupid as it sounds. My guess is that the CCT system was being monitored closely after Cinder's infiltration but the focus was on intercontinental traffic and defense channels. Something like the tournament roster was probably paid comparatively little mind.
     
    Triggerhappy said:
    Point. Shutting down the CCT, even when they know it's been hacked isn't actually as stupid as it sounds. My guess is that the CCT system was being monitored closely after Cinder's infiltration but the focus was on intercontinental traffic and defense channels. Something like the tournament roster was probably paid comparatively little mind.
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    Well, a shut down of the CCT would arguably cause just as much if not more unease in the kingdoms, sorta like how Ironwood's fleet cause people to worry instead of calm down like he expected. The best you can do is just act like it's an impromptu patch for an imaginary glitch to put people at ease, but even then it'd be pretty sketchy; especially in Vale where there's already growing unease due to the Atlas robo-fleets and the recent Breach incident.

    You're probably right about the systems being monitored though, but like I said earlier unless you know what you're looking for or what you're looking at, you're gonna be in for a rough time trying to figure out what's messing with your systems. IRL if there was a brand spanking new virus coded in such a way as to be completely different from the typical format of viruses, and it was planted directly in like how Cinder did, then all that anyone can do is either bend over and take it or shut it all down and reboot from a backup.
     
    EnderofWorlds said:
    Well, a shut down of the CCT would arguably cause just as much if not more unease in the kingdoms, sorta like how Ironwood's fleet cause people to worry instead of calm down like he expected. The best you can do is just act like it's an impromptu patch for an imaginary glitch to put people at ease, but even then it'd be pretty sketchy; especially in Vale where there's already growing unease due to the Atlas robo-fleets and the recent Breach incident.
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    I was thinking of it as a gamble actually.

    From Ozpin and Ironwood's perspective they have to ask themselves was the hack intended to insert something or was it simply intended to force them to shut down the CCT however briefly. If the latter, putting it off until after the tournament, and the transfer of the fall maiden's power, may have seemed prudent.

    In the end they compromised. They keep the CCT up knowing that something might happen and thus closely monitoring everything 'important' but not expecting Cinder's goals to be something as comparatively modest as hijacking the tournament roster and freaking the broadcast.
     
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    If all of the towers are connected, I imagine the virus was uploaded to all four towers, so you would have to reset all of them. And if you didn't do it at the same time, one would just re-spread it to the others. A kind of thing you would need global communication to pull off. A sort of catch 22.

    Of course its also 2am and I am spit-balling here.
     
    Triggerhappy said:
    I was thinking of it as a gamble actually.

    From Ozpin and Ironwood's perspective they have to ask themselves was the hack intended to insert something or was it simply intended to force them to shut down the CCT however briefly. If the latter, putting it off until after the tournament, and the transfer of the fall maiden's power, may have seemed prudent.

    In the end they compromised. They keep the CCT up knowing that something might happen and thus closely monitoring everything 'important' but not expecting Cinder's goals to be something as comparatively modest as hijacking the tournament roster and freaking the broadcast.
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    I like this idea a lot, plus its entirely possible they thought the intruder was searching for information instead of trying to plant an, at this point, unknown virus in their systems so while a trojan might be a concern it isn't even necessarily at the top of the list if the system passes their checks.

    Plus the towers having to go off, again, in the hopes of wiping out a virus is going to annoy people and raise alarm bells for many others and given how focussed Remnant leaders are on trying to keep people calm it makes sense they'd want to avoid showing that anything was wrong.
     
    Adorable Eldritch said:
    Of course its also 2am and I am spit-balling here.
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    Actually I don't think it works that way. If it did she could have loaded the virus from the CCTs in Vacuo, Atlas, or Mistral, or any of a half dozen smaller booster arrays.

    Cinder needed physical access to the core of the CCT. That indicates that her virus is a lot less OP than people are claiming.
     
    Zam said:
    I like this idea a lot
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    Now if only they'd mentioned it on screen. :cool:

    Introducing details of the CCT's functioning and its weak point so late in the season seems like a mistake. What they should have done was made it a minor plot point earlier on to introduce the concept.
     
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    Triggerhappy said:
    Cinder needed physical access to the core of the CCT. That indicates that her virus is a lot less OP than people are claiming.
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    Probably yeah, if it were as simple as that she'd have likely not needed Neo and Roman to take over the airships.

    Triggerhappy said:
    Now if only they'd mentioned it on screen. :cool:

    Introducing details of the CCT's functioning and its weak point so late in the season seems like a mistake. What they should have done was made it a minor plot point earlier on to introduce the concept.
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    Time constraints, they wounds us all.

    The world of Remnant helped a lot in my books.
     
    Triggerhappy said:
    Point. Shutting down the CCT, even when they know it's been hacked isn't actually as stupid as it sounds. My guess is that the CCT system was being monitored closely after Cinder's infiltration but the focus was on intercontinental traffic and defense channels. Something like the tournament roster was probably paid comparatively little mind.
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    Triggerhappy said:
    I was thinking of it as a gamble actually.

    From Ozpin and Ironwood's perspective they have to ask themselves was the hack intended to insert something or was it simply intended to force them to shut down the CCT however briefly. If the latter, putting it off until after the tournament, and the transfer of the fall maiden's power, may have seemed prudent.

    In the end they compromised. They keep the CCT up knowing that something might happen and thus closely monitoring everything 'important' but not expecting Cinder's goals to be something as comparatively modest as hijacking the tournament roster and freaking the broadcast.
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    I don't think they knew Cinder had inserted a backdoor at all. The focus after the incident was entirely on Cinder's physical presence (Ironwood: "Ozpin, they were here!"). If digital security sweeps turned up nothing, they would not have been suspicious, since Cinder's proximity to Amber's vault would have been their primary concern. It's a case where we the viewers are privy to information (Cinder's true methods) the Ozluminati simply don't have access to.
     
    Say, does anyone else here have any theories about secondary or side characters backgrounds? Like the one I'd naturally bring up first is that Arslan is like team mom for ABRN, because the cinnamon roll brigade need it, but then there are other options.

    For instance, I tend to assume Sun comes from money and that at least one of his parents is human which is what led him to being fairly insulated from the issues faced by other Faunus and in a social position where his monkey tail is seen more as a "unique trait" over how his fellows would otherwise see a none wealthy Faunus's animal traits.
     
    Zam said:
    Say, does anyone else here have any theories about secondary or side characters backgrounds? Like the one I'd naturally bring up first is that Arslan is like team mom for ABRN, because the cinnamon roll brigade need it, but then there are other options.

    For instance, I tend to assume Sun comes from money and that at least one of his parents is human which is what led him to being fairly insulated from the issues faced by other Faunus and in a social position where his monkey tail is seen more as a "unique trait" over how his fellows would otherwise see a none wealthy Faunus's animal traits.
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    Velvet is part-Schnee.

    We know semblances are somewhat hereditary - very hereditary in the case of Weiss/Winter/Papa Schnee etc. - and Velvet's semblance (if it was her semblance not her weapon) is summoning blue-white constructs based on things she's encountered in the past. The Schnee semblance is summoning blue-white constructs of things defeated in the past.

    So I reckon that, a long time ago, in the great tradition of oppressed peoples, a Schnee banged some poor faunus lass because 'it doesn't count if it's part animal, right fellas?', she got knocked up and the line continued until we get Velvet.
     
    hellgodsrus said:
    Velvet is part-Schnee.

    We know semblances are somewhat hereditary - very hereditary in the case of Weiss/Winter/Papa Schnee etc. - and Velvet's semblance (if it was her semblance not her weapon) is summoning blue-white constructs based on things she's encountered in the past. The Schnee semblance is summoning blue-white constructs of things defeated in the past.

    So I reckon that, a long time ago, in the great tradition of oppressed peoples, a Schnee banged some poor faunus lass because 'it doesn't count if it's part animal, right fellas?', she got knocked up and the line continued until we get Velvet.
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    Wow. I hadn't considered that but I can definitely follow the rationale as depressing as the historical side of it is :( Definitely very interesting, plus it'd make Weiss saving Velvet kind of, I don't know, cooler maybe?
     
    What I want to happen in the finale: Confident that Ruby's plan is complete suicide (and therefore hilarious), Mercury unintentionally livestreams the slaying of the dragon. This brings feelings of hope and positivity back to the people and causes the Grimm to fall back.
     
    thesevenwielder said:
    Especially if Weiss has suspicions after seeing Velvet in action.
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    That would make it an even cooler 'screw you' to her fathers policies. Dang now I wanna see a fic that goes into this idea.

    thesevenwielder said:
    While on one hand it would be hilarious, you know that 'tonal dissonance' thing I was just talking about? It extends both ways.
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    Wouldn't that depend on how it happened? I mean Qrow is meant to show up and there's a giant flying stadium to drop on the dragon, plus I don't think any, or most, individual Grim are meant to be the big threat so much as their numbers. I mean, yes the dragon being strong makes sense, but I imagine its the ability to summon back up that makes it a real 'oh no' threat which would be why it avoided attacking the kingdom or anywhere else until someone laid the groundwork for it to run wild.
     
    Zam said:
    That would make it an even cooler 'screw you' to her fathers policies. Dang now I wanna see a fic that goes into this idea.


    Wouldn't that depend on how it happened? I mean Qrow is meant to show up and there's a giant flying stadium to drop on the dragon, plus I don't think any, or most, individual Grim are meant to be the big threat so much as their numbers. I mean, yes the dragon being strong makes sense, but I imagine its the ability to summon back up that makes it a real 'oh no' threat which would be why it avoided attacking the kingdom or anywhere else until someone laid the groundwork for it to run wild.
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    It depends on how it plays out, really. Something like managing to drop the Vytal stadium on it would be fine. Besting it in direct combat? Hell no.
     
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