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RWBY Thread III: Time To Say Goodbye

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Stop: So gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
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    • so gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
    We get a lot of reports from this thread. A lot of it is just a series of people yelling at each other over arguments that have been rehashed hundreds of times since the end of the recent Volume. And I get that the last Volume - and RWBY in general, really - has some controversial moments that people will want to discuss, argue about, debate, etc.

    That's fine. We're not going to stop people from doing that, because that's literally what the point of the thread is. However, there's just a point where it gets to be a bit too much, and arguments about whether or not Ironwood was morally justified in his actions in the recent Volume, or if RWBY and her team were in the right for withholding information from Ironwood out of distrust, or whatever flavor of argument of the day descend into insulting other posters, expressing a demeaning attitude towards other's opinions, and just being overall unpleasant. That tends to happen a lot in this thread. We want it to stop happening in this thread.

    So! As of now the thread is in a higher state of moderation. What that means is that any future infractions will result in a weeklong boot from the thread, and repeated offenders will likely be permanently removed. So please, everyone endeavor to actually respect the other's arguments, and even if you strongly disagree with them please stay civil and mindful when it comes to responding to others.

    In addition, users should refrain from talking about off-site users in the thread. Bear in mind that this does not mean that you cannot continue to post tumblr posts, for example, that add onto the discussion in the thread, with the caveat that it's related to RWBY of course. But any objections to offsite users in the thread should be handled via PM, or they'll be treated as thread violations and infracted as such.
     
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    • One thing to keep in mind is that odds are it won't be as simple as slapping a robotic arm onto Yang's stump, if I had to guess I'd say that she is going to have to go through a rehabilitation period (great for character development) to get used to the new limb.
     
    Sinsystems said:
    One thing to keep in mind is that odds are it won't be as simple as slapping a robotic arm onto Yang's stump, if I had to guess I'd say that she is going to have to go through a rehabilitation period (great for character development) to get used to the new limb.
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    That is certainly possible, though if the theory that Mercury's dad lopped off his legs and jammed the new metal versions on is accurate it may not be much of an adaption process given Mercury proceeded to murder his old man.
     
    Itaywex said:
    Meh, I think that he sees her as a person. Don't let your love of cats blind you, Bleach!

    Blake is a faunus, not an adorable kitten! :V
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    I meant more that he saw her as a possession, not her own independent person.

    "Because all I want is you, Blake."

    Seems like a common thing in abusive relationships, anyway.

    Itaywex said:
    He will, probably. Though seeing the tone of the last few episodes I think that it will take a while before the protagonists start winning again.
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    Oh, I'm sure they've lost. Beacon is in ruins. The defensive perimeter is smashed.
    Even if our main characters and Vale's population partially survives, Vale as a kingdom is a complete write-off at this point, even more so if the CCT goes down.

    But I'd like to see Adam die before the Volume ends.


    Zam said:
    That is certainly possible, though if the theory that Mercury's dad lopped off his legs and jammed the new metal versions on is accurate it may not be much of an adaption process given Mercury proceeded to murder his old man.
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    Well... we saw that the wound was glowing gold... perhaps something about how it was inflicted prevents the prosthetic from "taking", and Yang's struggle to adapt takes up a few episodes next Volume.
     
    Also, it turns out Arslan punches fire!

    TheBleachDoctor said:
    Seems like a common thing in abusive relationships, anyway.
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    A poster over on SB actually had some interesting insights, like how when Blake, clearly upset and worried about the civilians during the Black Trailer was completely blown off with Adam seemingly expecting her to fall in line after his dismissal of her feelings rather than trying to talk her around like one might an equal, it seems like the idea of her disobeying him is not somehting he even considered. Beyond that we also saw how in the villain flashback when Blake asks a perfectly reasonable question, "who were those people in our heavily defended terrorist camp" she gets blown off again and despite her skill and apparent place as "partner" was not permitted to be there for Cinder's meet and greet with Adam.

    TheBleachDoctor said:
    Well... we saw that the wound was glowing gold... perhaps something about how it was inflicted prevents the prosthetic from "taking", and Yang's struggle to adapt takes up a few episodes next Volume.
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    That's possible, it may also just be harder for some people than others and depend on a lot of other factors, I do like the idea.
    TheBleachDoctor said:
    Even if our main characters and Vale's population partially survives, Vale as a kingdom is a complete write-off at this point, even more so if the CCT goes down.
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    I'm not sure its a write off yet, though if it does survive I see it being in very bad circumstances come season 4, like partially destroyed with people constantly fighting Grim or the borders under constant assault while people huddle in ruins.
     
    TheBleachDoctor said:
    Even if our main characters and Vale's population partially survives, Vale as a kingdom is a complete write-off at this point, even more so if the CCT goes down.
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    Now that I think of it, we did see Ironwood's soldiers evacuating citizens...


    I really hope that the fight between Ozpin and Cinder will be a good one. I've been waiting for Ozpin to fight someone since the first season.
     
    Itaywex said:
    Now that I think of it, we did see Ironwood's soldiers evacuating citizens...


    I really hope that the fight between Ozpin and Cinder will be a good one. I've been waiting for Ozpin to fight someone since the first season.
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    I want Ozpin to show Cinder exactly why he is a headmaster by exploiting every little weakness in Cinder's style.
     
    I'd probably take Adam a little more seriously if he wasn't so damn easy to make fun of.

     
    Maybe as a state for the immediate moment, but Vale basically has yo be supported by any troops that can be pulled up. Even if it weren't one of the remaining bastions of humanity, the way that SOME genius designed the CCT Network means that if the Tower here goes down all international communications go down, and they can't just pre emptively cut it out of the network beforehand. Which means they have to fight it out in Vale to the bitter end.

    Bravo Atlas. I blame you for this.
     
    I'm gonna go out on a limb and say Vale survives, but is very damaged and falls under a much less aware (Of Cinder and the like) and much less understanding (of protagonist shenanigans and not being prejudiced) authority figure.
    Azecreth said:
    Which means they have to fight it out in Vale to the bitter end.
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    That may actually have been part of the idea behind it, no one kingdom gets to control the towers and if one kingdom falls the others can't just shrug and say "not our problem" they have to help.
     
    Sinsystems said:
    One thing to keep in mind is that odds are it won't be as simple as slapping a robotic arm onto Yang's stump, if I had to guess I'd say that she is going to have to go through a rehabilitation period (great for character development) to get used to the new limb.
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    Not to mention that a robot arm won't change the fact that Adam could easily kill her and the rest of the team and the effect that will have on Blake. Not to mention the effect failing to protect Blake will have on Yang.
     
    Mook said:
    Not to mention that a robot arm won't change the fact that Adam could easily kill her and the rest of the team and the effect that will have on Blake. Not to mention the effect failing to protect Blake will have on Yang.
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    I really hope that Adam does his thing with possible injuries for the rest of team RWBY. But before he can kill anyone he gets blindsided by a very angry Qrow.

    Because after this volume I think it would be a great chance to change the character the models to reflect their growth.

    Also if Adam does hurt Yang some more I want him to cut off her hair.
     
    Zam said:
    That may actually have been part of the idea behind it, no one kingdom gets to control the towers and if one kingdom falls the others can't just shrug and say "not our problem" they have to help.
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    Which would be fine if there was any time to bring in reinforcements. Which there isn't. Well, unless the news got sent out before the PvP contest and the cavalry is on its way right now, which would be nice.

    In terms of other story stuff, I do buy that Ruby isn't particularly developing as a leader and the misfortune is being heaped upon Yang for whatever perceived slight. I mean, in he situation as set up you can't hold what happened to Yang and Blake against Ruby because if she hadn't gone to fight Torchwick and Neo like a shounen protagonist then everyone would be dead via Atlas robot mooks. Kinda defeats any claim of not supporting her team when her part was that vital to not horribly dying.

    Meh. Imma have to marathon this all later anyway, so I'll deal.
     
    Azecreth said:
    Which would be fine if there was any time to bring in reinforcements. Which there isn't. Well, unless the news got sent out before the PvP contest and the cavalry is on its way right now, which would be nice.

    In terms of other story stuff, I do buy that Ruby isn't particularly developing as a leader and the misfortune is being heaped upon Yang for whatever perceived slight. I mean, in he situation as set up you can't hold what happened to Yang and Blake against Ruby because if she hadn't gone to fight Torchwick and Neo like a shounen protagonist then everyone would be dead via Atlas robot mooks. Kinda defeats any claim of not supporting her team when her part was that vital to not horribly dying.

    Meh. Imma have to marathon this all later anyway, so I'll deal.
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    All things considered I think this situation is a bit out of context, generally people don't "want" to let the Grim in so chances are if there was a failure in the defences or a simple Breach for which they needed reinforcements they could likely hold out longer than they currently are with the White Fang ferrying in Grim, Adam brutalising people and Cinder gaining magical powers ETC.

    I'm not sure where the rest of this came from, but I'll leave it be for the moment as I don't particularly want to debate it, nor am I sure I disagree with all of it.
     
    Zam said:
    Guess we'll wait and see.

    To an extent it seems he already has, to me at least, at the end there Cinder sounded like she was seething and genuinely angry, losing that playful cockiness she usually has.
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    I wasn't the only one to notice this then.
    Looks like Cinder really believes in whatever cause she's working for, or that Ozpin is a terrible leader. Makes sense, there has never been a war fought in which one side didn't believe themselves to be justified.
     
    Zam said:
    All things considered I think this situation is a bit out of context, generally people don't "want" to let the Grim in so chances are if there was a failure in the defences or a simple Breach for which they needed reinforcements they could likely hold out longer than they currently are with the White Fang ferrying in Grim, Adam brutalising people and Cinder gaining magical powers ETC.

    I'm not sure where the rest of this came from, but I'll leave it be for the moment as I don't particularly want to debate it, nor am I sure I disagree with all of it.
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    I just think it's a bit of a failure of imagination to not think 'what if the defenses catastrophically collapse under massive Grimm attack'. You know, like the giant ass dragon buried inside the mountain? Its a slightly bigger failure than 'what if some sort of possibly Grimm based OP supervirus takes out all our computer based capabilities,' at least in my opinion.

    The second part is just me generally rambling.
     
    The3rdCorinthian said:
    I wasn't the only one to notice this then.
    Looks like Cinder really believes in whatever cause she's working for, or that Ozpin is a terrible leader. Makes sense, there has never been a war fought in which one side didn't believe themselves to be justified.
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    I was worried I was the only one who heard it as well XD
    Indeed, there's a few cool theories floating around like her having been Summer's friend, unknown to Ozpin, who took some of Summer's suspicious a little too to heart along with others, it'll be interesting to see exactly what motivates her, even just a little.
    Azecreth said:
    I just think it's a bit of a failure of imagination to not think 'what if the defenses catastrophically collapse under massive Grimm attack'. You know, like the giant ass dragon buried inside the mountain? Its a slightly bigger failure than 'what if some sort of possibly Grimm based OP supervirus takes out all our computer based capabilities,' at least in my opinion.

    The second part is just me generally rambling.
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    I'm not trying to say the system is by any means perfect, its a flaw, but it seems to have been made intentionally to avoid the kingdoms being able to just screw one another over which I can understand at least.
     
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