RWBY Thread III: Time To Say Goodbye

Stop: So gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
so gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
We get a lot of reports from this thread. A lot of it is just a series of people yelling at each other over arguments that have been rehashed hundreds of times since the end of the recent Volume. And I get that the last Volume - and RWBY in general, really - has some controversial moments that people will want to discuss, argue about, debate, etc.

That's fine. We're not going to stop people from doing that, because that's literally what the point of the thread is. However, there's just a point where it gets to be a bit too much, and arguments about whether or not Ironwood was morally justified in his actions in the recent Volume, or if RWBY and her team were in the right for withholding information from Ironwood out of distrust, or whatever flavor of argument of the day descend into insulting other posters, expressing a demeaning attitude towards other's opinions, and just being overall unpleasant. That tends to happen a lot in this thread. We want it to stop happening in this thread.

So! As of now the thread is in a higher state of moderation. What that means is that any future infractions will result in a weeklong boot from the thread, and repeated offenders will likely be permanently removed. So please, everyone endeavor to actually respect the other's arguments, and even if you strongly disagree with them please stay civil and mindful when it comes to responding to others.

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She attacked them! What did she think was going to happen?! I'm not saying they were justified, not in any way, but I don't see how you don't anticipate someone fighting back when you attack someone. And you can say that she didn't think they'd kill everyone on remnant, but wasn't most of humanity there at the time? it's been a while since i watched that episode.
Again, the narration makes it clear that thanks to fooling the gods she had come to view them as far less supreme than they presented themselves and otherwise fallible. Also Salem only got like three kingdoms worth of support and had a relatively small army with her. We saw tons of peoples in cities and stuff being wiped out.
 
She attacked them! What did she think was going to happen?! I'm not saying they were justified, not in any way, but I don't see how you don't anticipate someone fighting back when you attack someone. And you can say that she didn't think they'd kill everyone on remnant, but wasn't most of humanity there at the time? it's been a while since i watched that episode.

As far as her world potentially knew, they'd kill her and the army. Which was something she wanted anyways. That'd be "fighting back."

Instead, Dark Dick genocided the planet. Not exactly something someone on her world could begin to expect.

We expect that. Not them.
 
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Again, the narration makes it clear that thanks to fooling the gods she had come to view them as far less supreme than they presented themselves and otherwise fallible. Also Salem only got like three kingdoms worth of support and had a relatively small army with her. We saw tons of peoples in cities and stuff being wiped out.

Okay, as I said, it's been a while since I saw the episode. I'm not going to go around on this argument anymore, it's 2 am. Thanks for the discussion.

Eta: thanks for the hugs.
 
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But that's on our world, where we have many, many, many tales of gods screwing people over and massacring entire civilizations because someone didn't adjust the worship flowers just right.

The Brother Gods very much seem to have been hugely, massively hands off, and we've got no indications they did anything similar until the Dark Brother suddenly did. And plus, they'd cultivated a worship of them among her entire civilization, by at least appearing benevolent (Light) and unconcerned (Dark). Salem had no way to know what to expect.
And something about that. The people in our stories usually don't expect to be punished for their hubris/being in the wrong place at the wrong time either.


The equivalent of us isn't Salem, it's Ruby and co after hearing Jinn's tale. Salem isn't the person who has heard tales about gods doing dickish things, she IS the tale of gods doing dickish things.
 
Salem.
Her goal is simple, yet complex. She is driven by spite. Spite at The Gods, spite and Oz, spite at humanity. She never got what she wanted, not for long. Every time she thought she had found her freedom and happiness, it gets stripped from her. So, she aims her spite at others to make them suffer. She has suffered, so she will make sure all others suffer, too. So strip her of what she loves, curse her, turn on her, build forces to stand against her, she will take that spite, take all that others make or use, and twist it against them, and she will smile as she watches it all burn down.
Just going to put my quick two cents here but.as Jinn put it Salem blames everyone but herself for her situation and when you look at it Jinn's kind of right.

So first after Ozma died she tries to ask the God of Light to bring him back when he says No and tries to explain why(seriously they really need to explain this part) Salem says that it was unfair even though there was no indication that he has ever revived someone before for anyone or reason. So instead of taking the God's advice to simply move on she goes and tries to use the GoD by deceiving him, while at first it seems to work once her deception is revealed she once more loses everything. Next the GoL gives her immortality and a simple quest in order to remove it and be reunited with Ozma, instead of taking the basic quest of enlightenment she decides to kill the Gods (which had some results that yes are incredibly questionable but actually line up for most myths involving gods) because they did not give her what she wanted even though they have no reason to especially the GoD who she tricked.

So yeah I get that Salem suffered alot but everything that happened after Ozma died she technically brought upon herself.
 
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I always wonder what would have happened if she went to the God of Darkness first and asked. The whole drama might've been avoided if she picked a different god as her starter option.
 
I always wonder what would have happened if she went to the God of Darkness first and asked. The whole drama might've been avoided if she picked a different god as her starter option.
Not really. L still would have gotten pissed with the revival breaking their deal, and since he'd have no "She came to me first." to calm D down, it would have escalated past even the old days of The Brothers, with humanity as collateral damage.
 
Maybe, but the neat potential though is that even if the God of Light had his way, the God of Darkness would be pissed that his one follower had her wish undermined by his brother, and then you'd end up with an alternate future where the God of Darkness is on the side of humanity and helps them fight the evil Lux Monsters.
 
I think the better future is they take each other out finally, and then let humanity pick up the pieces without their malicious influence.
 
Next the GoL gives her immortality and a simple quest in order to remove it and be reunited with Ozma, instead of taking the basic quest of enlightenment she decides to kill the Gods (which had some results that yes are incredibly questionable but actually line up for most myths involving gods) because they did not give her what she wanted even though they have no reason to especially the GoD who she tricked.

Uh? When did the GoL give her a quest or imply there was any way she could get her immortality removed?

Also, I feel it's worth noting that the only "trick" she played on the GoD was failing to mention that she went to his brother first and I'm not sure how much of a trick that really is, since she probably would have continued singing his praises if the GoL hadn't interfered.

What if they've already done that and no one's the wiser?

There does seem to be something more going on, in the background, that we don't know about yet, if Salem's sudden rush of activity and the Island are anything to go by.
 
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It was that whole bit about accepting the necessity of death - when she did, she would be permitted to die. Nothing so external as Ozma's quest, but it's there.

Debatable. They say both that she will walk Remnant for as long as it continues to turn and "You must learn the importance of life and death, only then may you rest." The second part could be taken as a way out of the curse, but it could also be taken as a suggestion for how to come to terms with her immortality, especially because the curse portion was spoken by both brothers, while the other portion was only spoken by the GoL. Additionally, "learn the importance of life and death" is a pretty vague goal, far more so than Ozma's quest to get humanity to live in harmony.
 
Again, the narration makes it clear that thanks to fooling the gods she had come to view them as far less supreme than they presented themselves and otherwise fallible.

Pretty sure the narration just makes clear that that's what she told people to get them on-board, also claiming she had tricked them into making her immortal or something along those lines.
 
Debatable. They say both that she will walk Remnant for as long as it continues to turn and "You must learn the importance of life and death, only then may you rest." The second part could be taken as a way out of the curse, but it could also be taken as a suggestion for how to come to terms with her immortality, especially because the curse portion was spoken by both brothers, while the other portion was only spoken by the GoL. Additionally, "learn the importance of life and death" is a pretty vague goal, far more so than Ozma's quest to get humanity to live in harmony.

Well if Salem wasn't going to let Light explain it as they tried to do then instead they chose to give her all the time in the world to figure it out herself.
 
Pretty sure the narration just makes clear that that's what she told people to get them on-board, also claiming she had tricked them into making her immortal or something along those lines.
Jinn: But perhaps the Gods were not as powerful as they seemed…
Jinn: She had lied to them, turned them against one another, they… were fallible.
Jinn: If she were to turn humanity against light and darkness, she could rid herself of their curse, or at the very least… she could make them suffer.
 
Honestly, the plan was at the level of "Let's use stealth bombers and bunker busting bombs on Shin Godzilla. What could go wrong?" As in technically not a bad plan, but it met up with an Out of Context problem
 
Kind of a big pile of nothing, just the anime version of V1 designs. Also reminds me of how dumb Tai's design is, wtf is up with that lame shoulder pad? lmao

EDIT: Also, anyone else getting uncanny valley vibes from that Ozpin shot?
 
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Kind of a big pile of nothing, just the anime version of V1 designs. Also reminds me of how dumb Tai's design is, wtf is up with that lame shoulder pad? lmao

EDIT: Also, anyone else getting uncanny valley vibes from that Ozpin shot?

well of course it's their V1 designs. They are side characters. And given that Ozpin didn't have a different look when his art came out with teams RWBY and JNPR I am not surprised the rest of the Beacon Side Cast is unchanged.
for Tai, nothing wrong with an asymmetrical design, and 1 shoulder pad is actually kinda common in that sense.
for Ozpin, I think it's the lips.
 
Ozpin's lips are weirdly animated-slash-drawn, which is why he looks so...strange. Zooming in, it looks a bit better, but that is only a fix because it is a static image. I sincerely hope they fix it, because it is more than a bit disconcerting.
 
Kind of a big pile of nothing, just the anime version of V1 designs. Also reminds me of how dumb Tai's design is, wtf is up with that lame shoulder pad? lmao

EDIT: Also, anyone else getting uncanny valley vibes from that Ozpin shot?
It's something at least, and for the FNDM, that's more than enough.

It doesn't take much for the fandom to get hyped. I'd not be surprised if RT posts a pixel of either Ice Queendom or V9 and Twitter just explodes.
 
for Tai, nothing wrong with an asymmetrical design, and 1 shoulder pad is actually kinda common in that sense.
You armor first those areas that are most vulnerable, and that places a higher priority on surfaces you present to an enemy over those you refuse. I forget whether Tai jabs with his right and crosses with his left, but based on his design I would not be surprised.
 
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