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RWBY Thread III: Time To Say Goodbye

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Stop: So gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
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    • so gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
    We get a lot of reports from this thread. A lot of it is just a series of people yelling at each other over arguments that have been rehashed hundreds of times since the end of the recent Volume. And I get that the last Volume - and RWBY in general, really - has some controversial moments that people will want to discuss, argue about, debate, etc.

    That's fine. We're not going to stop people from doing that, because that's literally what the point of the thread is. However, there's just a point where it gets to be a bit too much, and arguments about whether or not Ironwood was morally justified in his actions in the recent Volume, or if RWBY and her team were in the right for withholding information from Ironwood out of distrust, or whatever flavor of argument of the day descend into insulting other posters, expressing a demeaning attitude towards other's opinions, and just being overall unpleasant. That tends to happen a lot in this thread. We want it to stop happening in this thread.

    So! As of now the thread is in a higher state of moderation. What that means is that any future infractions will result in a weeklong boot from the thread, and repeated offenders will likely be permanently removed. So please, everyone endeavor to actually respect the other's arguments, and even if you strongly disagree with them please stay civil and mindful when it comes to responding to others.

    In addition, users should refrain from talking about off-site users in the thread. Bear in mind that this does not mean that you cannot continue to post tumblr posts, for example, that add onto the discussion in the thread, with the caveat that it's related to RWBY of course. But any objections to offsite users in the thread should be handled via PM, or they'll be treated as thread violations and infracted as such.
     
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    • Pugman said:
    I recall people thinking they saw Adam when the wounded Hound climbed back up through the window
    despite the head not having blood red hair with black horns.
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    Sandstar said:
    It's because a lot of people don't actually watch media, it's just playing (possibly at 1.5 or 2x speed) while they're in the room, looking at their phone, or their tablet, or something else.
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    And a lot of other factors like colorblindness, unable to see well in dark lighting, not helped with how relatively quick the scene in question was.

    Remember, MurderofBirds made this exact mistake too.

    Here is the Tweet again since I had posted it a while ago: https://twitter.com/MurderofBirds_/status/1361082442753441796

    Murder Of Birds said:
    I've received quite a few comments from ppl annoyed that A LOT of viewers thought the Hound was Adam at first glance. Sorry, but being revealed in the dark w/ spiky hair, ears that looked like horns & a deteriorated eye was enough to remind us of Adam. Chill tf out.
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    ArtFartCop said:
    They have the same facial model and his ears in darker lighting looked like horns.
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    And one would have to ask
    "Why would Salem bother to fish a dead body out of the Argus Sea?"
    Like seriously, after Adam fell to his death there was zero reason to bring him back.
    So thinking "IT'S ADAM!" is beyond stupid.
    And I have an old laptop and watched the episode on a none roosterteeth site, and I could still tell it was not Adam.
    different voice, different hair color, different hair style, we saw Adam die
     
    Pugman said:
    And one would have to ask
    "Why would Salem bother to fish a dead body out of the Argus Sea?"
    Like seriously, after Adam fell to his death there was zero reason to bring him back.
    So thinking "IT'S ADAM!" is beyond stupid.
    And I have an old laptop and watched the episode on a none roosterteeth site, and I could still tell it was not Adam.
    different voice, different hair color, different hair style, we saw Adam die
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    I had a few moments of wtf cause I also thought it was Adam when I first saw it due to the lighting.
    As for the changes it could be explained as the results of said grimmification.
    I mean Salem looked very different before she was dipped into the Grimm pool.
    I watched it outside of roosterteeth on mobile device.
     
    I don't take Murder of Birds pinion seriously, he's the guy who went on a pissy rant and chastised people for sharing videos from RTX because only "real fans" deserved to see content from it, despite the fact he had to crow-source his way there and thus wouldn't qualify as a "real fan" by his own definition if people who didn't attend hadn't givenhim money.
     
    Question: Is there a decent timeline for RWBY?

    I'm considering writing a fanfic that cares about timings, especially for some pre-canon stuff, and having something to base it off of would be nice. So far, I've found two fan made timelines, but I'm not sure about either of them. The first seems rather thorough, but the logic used for some of the dates strikes me as iffy. The Second lacks pre-canon events and explanations, but some of the dates seem more reasonable.

    Any thoughts on either of those, or better alternatives?
     
    Epsilon Rose said:
    Question: Is there a decent timeline for RWBY?

    I'm considering writing a fanfic that cares about timings, especially for some pre-canon stuff, and having something to base it off of would be nice. So far, I've found two fan made timelines, but I'm not sure about either of them. The first seems rather thorough, but the logic used for some of the dates strikes me as iffy. The Second lacks pre-canon events and explanations, but some of the dates seem more reasonable.

    Any thoughts on either of those, or better alternatives?
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    No there is no solid official time line
    RT didn't bother with one in part because they did not want to risk contradicting such a thing with new information down the line.
     
    Epsilon Rose said:
    I figured there wouldn't be an official one. I was mostly just hoping there'd be a good enough fan made one.
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    Hmm, well we know V1 took place more or less over a year, especially if we take the Red Trailer as a canon indicator of winter.

    We know RNJR were in the wilds for months, but that means it was 5 months at most, and they were seemingly only in Mistral proper for a few weeks before everything went down.

    The trip to and out of Argus took about two to three days when we consider reaching Atlas time as well.

    We don't strictly know how long RWBY & co were in Atlas, but given the election campaign was well under way I doubt it could have been more than a month or so.

    Basically, I'd say RWBY thus far has taken place over a year and say, six to eight months.
     
    I just can't see that much time passing without comment to be honest. That'd make Ruby Beacon age and mean she and the other spent like, nine or ten months wandering around Mistral and Blake spent a similar amount of time in Kuo Kuanna.
     
    the way I see it
    a full year between Red Trailer and RNJR's Departure at the end of Volume 3
    then a few months of wandering Mistral while Blake is on a boat
    I think V5 takes at least a month, since Qrow is trying to find help while Belladonna's are trying to drum up support for a while before the assassination attempt and then it would take time to travel by boat from Menagerie to Haven.
    then I'd say it would of been at least a week or 2 between the end of V5 and everyone getting to Atlas at the end of V6 since there would of been a bit of clean up to do before our heroes left on the train.
    As for their time in Atlas I'd say it would be at least a month but at most 3, depending on how much extra stuff RT wants to cram into their "training montage period" from V7.

    So at least a year and a half from Red Trailer to now, at most close to 2.
     
    Those timelines make sense. One of the things I'm trying to square is when in the year season 1 starts. The first timeline I found has episode 1 in November, with the Vytal festival happening in September or October of the next year, while the other goes from March to October of a single year. Both timelines also raise a question about school terms, because I don't recall much mention of terms ending and starting, or any kind of break, even though both timelines seem to have at least two terms.
     
    Epsilon Rose said:
    Those timelines make sense. One of the things I'm trying to square is when in the year season 1 starts. The first timeline I found has episode 1 in November, with the Vytal festival happening in September or October of the next year, while the other goes from March to October of a single year. Both timelines also raise a question about school terms, because I don't recall much mention of terms ending and starting, or any kind of break, even though both timelines seem to have at least two terms.
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    Ya that is something that the FNDM has been scratching their head about for many years now.
    Is it a Western Term (Fall to Spring), or an Eastern Term (Spring to Winter)

    If we go WT, then Red Trailer happened while RWBY was just 14 at least and then it was Fall when Ruby first faced Torchwick meaning she had recently become a 15 year old.
    If we go ET then the Red Trailer Ruby was already 15 and episode 1 happened in the Spring.
     
    ElMariachi said:
    But aren't Hounds supposed to be Silver-Eyed warriors? I mean, there must be a reason why the Hound we saw was a SEW instead of some random prisoner Salem captured.
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    Is that a requirement, or is it just a choice Salem makes out of spite to hurt Oz?

    That being said, even if it is the latter, and there's no requirement, I have no idea why Salem would use Adam rather than, say, Ironwood or Leonardo, given that those two seem way more likely to hurt Oz.

    I feel like Adam's basically a nobody to anyone who's not either (Ex-)WF or Yang at this point.
     
    RadiantPhoenix said:
    I feel like Adam's basically a nobody to anyone who's not either (Ex-)WF or Yang at this point.
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    And he practically is since Adam exists in the small microcosm of Blake's character arc and is more of a footnote in Yang's character arc. Once he gets offed, he gets nary a mention. Maybe one or two if you read between the lines, but nothing as explicit as "Summer, my mom".

    It's made even stranger as Ruby and Weiss are practically unaware that Adam even existed. You'd think that Ruby would want to know who lopped off Yang's arm or that Blake would bring up Adam's explicitly monogrammed scar to Weiss's face when they were bickering about Faunus. But, no, he's just this weird, outside source that no one really seems to care about and the worst part is that most RWBY fans prefer that he stays that way.
     
    I kind of view Adam like I did Roman after v3. He feels small scale compared to the rest of the villains now. Like Blake said, they've got more important things to worry about. So him dying in v6 works for me, his story didn't really need to go further.
     
    I think part of the problem with Adam's apparent importance is how poorly his arc, and character in general, were handled. Faunus equality, the SDC's depredations, and his position as Blake's mentor and the person she ran away from home to support, should all be important. Unfortunately, most of that was abandoned over the course of the show, in favor of making him a much shallower, much angrier, antagonist. So, you're right that the Adam from v6 was small scale and there was no need for his story to continue. However, Adam and Siena, as they were originally presented, could have served as interesting counterpoints to Ironwood and, potentially, the Happy Huntresses.
     
    Epsilon Rose said:
    I think part of the problem with Adam's apparent importance is how poorly his arc, and character in general, were handled. Faunus equality, the SDC's depredations, and his position as Blake's mentor and the person she ran away from home to support, should all be important. Unfortunately, most of that was abandoned over the course of the show, in favor of making him a much shallower, much angrier, antagonist. So, you're right that the Adam from v6 was small scale and there was no need for his story to continue. However, Adam and Siena, as they were originally presented, could have served as interesting counterpoints to Ironwood and, potentially, the Happy Huntresses.
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    That said, given the major plot is "stop Salem from collecting the Relics and fucking up society worse than it is", a thinly veiled racism subplot isn't exactly important.
     
    Psyga315 said:
    That said, given the major plot is "stop Salem from collecting the Relics and fucking up society worse than it is", a thinly veiled racism subplot isn't exactly important.
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    I'm not sure I agree with that.

    For starters, with all the emphasis that's been placed on "Nothing on remnant can kill Salem" and what we've seen of her backstory, I don't think viewing Salem as the Ultimate Evil and Enemy to All is really the right solution. It feels like too much of an extension of Ozma's enmity, which creates interesting parallels with Adam's own views writ the SDC and Humans, in general. If nothing else, summoning the Brothers is very unlikely to get her the end she wants and, baring that, she should be very invested in life not getting wiped out again.

    More importantly, I don't think one of those plots needs to take precedence over the other. Not getting wiped out is important, but the way we treat our fellow man is also important and it's very easy to commit unnecessary atrocities if you're willing to sacrifice the later for the former, as is demonstrated by Ironwood's arc. This is doubly true in RWBY, where the nature of the Grim makes the SDC as much a threat to humanity as Salem, when she's not actively on a crusade.
     
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