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RWBY Thread III: Time To Say Goodbye

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Stop: So gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
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    • so gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
    We get a lot of reports from this thread. A lot of it is just a series of people yelling at each other over arguments that have been rehashed hundreds of times since the end of the recent Volume. And I get that the last Volume - and RWBY in general, really - has some controversial moments that people will want to discuss, argue about, debate, etc.

    That's fine. We're not going to stop people from doing that, because that's literally what the point of the thread is. However, there's just a point where it gets to be a bit too much, and arguments about whether or not Ironwood was morally justified in his actions in the recent Volume, or if RWBY and her team were in the right for withholding information from Ironwood out of distrust, or whatever flavor of argument of the day descend into insulting other posters, expressing a demeaning attitude towards other's opinions, and just being overall unpleasant. That tends to happen a lot in this thread. We want it to stop happening in this thread.

    So! As of now the thread is in a higher state of moderation. What that means is that any future infractions will result in a weeklong boot from the thread, and repeated offenders will likely be permanently removed. So please, everyone endeavor to actually respect the other's arguments, and even if you strongly disagree with them please stay civil and mindful when it comes to responding to others.

    In addition, users should refrain from talking about off-site users in the thread. Bear in mind that this does not mean that you cannot continue to post tumblr posts, for example, that add onto the discussion in the thread, with the caveat that it's related to RWBY of course. But any objections to offsite users in the thread should be handled via PM, or they'll be treated as thread violations and infracted as such.
     
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    • Psyga315 said:
    That I feel is, sadly, a very likely route, using the Old Beach as an excuse to skip over some of the more interesting bits like the forced relocation or the trust issues just so they can get to the next step of the Scavenger Hunt storyline without any delays.
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    Not skipping, just moving it to a different medium as a side story to save time on the main plot.
    Pugman said:
    So really even if the group is Atlesians I'd bet you Coco and others would make it clear that is group means no harm.
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    They might feel like that, but how much of the population of Vacuo feels the same?
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    Vacuo already got hit over the head with the "Outsiders are not the enemy" story, no reason to repeat.
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    Tensions are still likely due to holdouts, history, and a potential shortage of resources that might make things difficult.
    excalibur2008 said:
    Yeah and nobody showing up at Atlas gives the impression that it doesn't really mean much.
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    Who would be able to cross all that space in the couple hours or so they had to do anything before Atlas fell?
    LordYam said:
    We get it. You're still salty she refused to submit to Ironwood and went against his moronic plan
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    A lot of people are, they just blur together at this point. Nice that Psyga isn't doing it as much anymore at least. Still pessimistic about everything though...
     
    So was reading a Star Wars post and thought this line could be Applied to when Oscar attempted to talk with ironwood
    Neither he nor Prosset can accept that the council or other jedi (Obi-Wan specifically in Anakin's case) are sincerely reaching out, because what would that make them?
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    I think it fits, Anakin and Ironwood have different backgrounds but very similar issues and world views, and layers of double think and denial to avoid having to confront their own failings and faults or that others tried and are trying to help them are among those faults and failings.
     
    LordYam said:
    We get it. You're still salty she refused to submit to Ironwood and went against his moronic plan
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    No just pointing out that Ruby doesn't currently have anything going for her that would cause anyone in Vacuo to give a crap about her.
    1. She outed all the secrets on TV so she has no specially knowledge to leverage.
    2. She doesn't have any Relics with her.
    3. And goodwill depends on how Vacuo dealt with Salem being outed and the Atlas refugee influx.
    4. And Theo never met her so has no reason to really care about her or her friends one way or the other.
    5. And Ozpin and Qrow only matter within Opzin's secret society thing.
    So pretty much without Theo she isn't any different than any other Huntress in Vacuo.
     
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    Yeah that's what I don't like about the "Nobody cared enough to rescue Atlas!" argument. It was gonna take time to process what Ruby said and then mobilize enough forces to help out on top of travel time. If they had showed up for the finale people would be complaining they got there too fast!
     
    LordDarthYoda said:
    Yeah that's what I don't like about the "Nobody cared enough to rescue Atlas!" argument. It was gonna take time to process what Ruby said and then mobilize enough forces to help out on top of travel time. If they had showed up for the finale people would be complaining they got there too fast!
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    I would like to add that it was even brought up in universe, it was what it caused the group to split.

    Hell it is even a constrasting parallel with Ironwood, when she decided to """sacrifice""" mantle to warn the rest of the world she never stopped anyone else from helping.

    I'll be honest if Ironwood had been evacuating people to Atlas and then decided to launch once it became impossible to hold back Salem any longer even if people remained down in Mantle I would have sided with him, but he chose to launch as soon as he became spooked stopping the evacuation immediately.
     
    LordDarthYoda said:
    Yeah that's what I don't like about the "Nobody cared enough to rescue Atlas!" argument. It was gonna take time to process what Ruby said and then mobilize enough forces to help out on top of travel time. If they had showed up for the finale people would be complaining they got there too fast!
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    Don't forget fighting off the grimm attacks attracted to the panic caused by telling everyone about Salem and the attack on Atlas. There was a reason they were planning to ship out the Atlas military before the broadcast originally, and that was before Atlas was about to be overrun.

    How many people in defenceless Mistral are going to die because of Ruby's actions?
     
    mr_stibbons said:
    Don't forget fighting off the grimm attacks attracted to the panic caused by telling everyone about Salem and the attack on Atlas. There was a reason they were planning to ship out the Atlas military before the broadcast originally, and that was before Atlas was about to be overrun.

    How many people in defenceless Mistral are going to die because of Ruby's actions?
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    Especially if they end up digging up some dirt on Lionheart.
     
    god the "Ruby is the real villain" crowd is really coming out of the wood work today -.-

    For Theodore and Ruby - Theo would have reason to listen to Ruby and her friends and work with them. They have been standing against Salem and sticking with the "Protect the people" goal of the Huntsmen Academies, despite being so young and been through so much. Not to mention a number of people in the Beacon Brigade, which has proven it's worth to everyone in Shade, are either friends with Ruby or at least remember her and Team JNPR from the Vytal festival. Not to mention Ruby knew of the Secret War AND also knew more about it than a Headmaster like Theo himself. Now that Oscar and the rest who remain are in Vacuo Theo can touch base with Ozpin and the kids who just made sure a lot of people were saved despite the losses they themselves suffered with the loss of RWBY, Jaune and Penny.

    For Ruby's Message - She got that message out to protect people. Like everything Ruby has done it has been to protect people. Yet Ruby herself is not naïve to think it wouldn't cause issues. She still wanted to go through with it because she could tell there was a very real chance they were not going to make it out of Atlas without some kind of miracle, so at the very least she wanted to warn the rest of the world what was going on so they at least had a chance to get ready.
     
    Pugman said:
    She got that message out to protect people. Like everything Ruby has done it has been to protect people. Yet Ruby herself is not naïve to think it wouldn't cause issues. She still wanted to go through with it because she could tell there was a very real chance they were not going to make it out of Atlas without some kind of miracle, so at the very least she wanted to warn the rest of the world what was going on so they at least had a chance to get ready.
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    That would be a great analysis and all...

    If it wasn't for the fact that Ruby herself expected the armies of Remnant to fly over to Mantle at the speed that's thrice as fast as Blake's captain friend.

    Ruby said:
    I've wasted our time getting Amity up, thinking help would come, but it didn't, and Amity fell.
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    Yang had to remind Ruby about the other purpose it served.
     
    excalibur2008 said:
    No just pointing out that Ruby doesn't currently have anything going for her that would cause anyone in Vacuo to give a crap about her.
    1. She outed all the secrets on TV so she has no specially knowledge to leverage.
    2. She doesn't have any Relics with her.
    3. And goodwill depends on how Vacuo dealt with Salem being outed and the Atlas refugee influx.
    4. And Theo never met her so has no reason to really care about her or her friends one way or the other.
    5. And Ozpin and Qrow only matter within Opzin's secret society thing.
    So pretty much without Theo she isn't any different than any other Huntress in Vacuo.
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    Yep. The girl who saved Beacon and the entire Kingdom of Vale from destruction by stopping Cinder and the Grimm Dragon, helped save Haven Academy from Salem's minions and the White Fang, petrified a Leviathan to protect the city of Argus, warned the world about Salem so that they wouldn't be blindsided by the fall of Atlas, helped save nearly the entire population of both Atlas and Mantle from certain doom, visited the realm of gods/spirits and presumably returns with some secret knowledge about the inner workings of the universe and oh yeah, can laserbeam Grimm with her eyeballs is no one special and will be treated with the same level of respect as a random hobo.



    You are so smart and insightful about how the world works and how people react to heroes who have done great deeds. I am truly in awe of how correct your arguments are.




    Pugman said:
    For Ruby's Message - She got that message out to protect people. Like everything Ruby has done it has been to protect people. Yet Ruby herself is not naïve to think it wouldn't cause issues. She still wanted to go through with it because she could tell there was a very real chance they were not going to make it out of Atlas without some kind of miracle, so at the very least she wanted to warn the rest of the world what was going on so they at least had a chance to get ready.
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    Yeah it's kind of amazing how the HTDM keep glossing over the fact that Ruby had three different and equally important reasons for wanting to reestablish communications.


    1. There was a chance that reinforcements could come and save Atlas.
    2. In the event that Atlas falls the rest of the world needs to know what happened so that they can prepare. Her message might spread bad vibes, but nowhere near as much as Atlas being wiped off the map overnight with no one knowing why or how and no one having any idea how to prevent it from happening to them too.
    3. Restore global communications so that the world can talk to each other again in real time and have a much better chance of reacting to Salem's moves in time. If Ironwood had bothered to spare some engineers and launched Amity himself then the tower could have been launched before Cinder destroyed it. The world would have had permanent communications which would also have greatly increased the odds of 1. going through.
     
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