RWBY Thread III: Time To Say Goodbye

Stop: So gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
so gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
We get a lot of reports from this thread. A lot of it is just a series of people yelling at each other over arguments that have been rehashed hundreds of times since the end of the recent Volume. And I get that the last Volume - and RWBY in general, really - has some controversial moments that people will want to discuss, argue about, debate, etc.

That's fine. We're not going to stop people from doing that, because that's literally what the point of the thread is. However, there's just a point where it gets to be a bit too much, and arguments about whether or not Ironwood was morally justified in his actions in the recent Volume, or if RWBY and her team were in the right for withholding information from Ironwood out of distrust, or whatever flavor of argument of the day descend into insulting other posters, expressing a demeaning attitude towards other's opinions, and just being overall unpleasant. That tends to happen a lot in this thread. We want it to stop happening in this thread.

So! As of now the thread is in a higher state of moderation. What that means is that any future infractions will result in a weeklong boot from the thread, and repeated offenders will likely be permanently removed. So please, everyone endeavor to actually respect the other's arguments, and even if you strongly disagree with them please stay civil and mindful when it comes to responding to others.

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Huh I didn't know RWBY's Chinese name was a meaning translation, not a transliteration. The 4 characters are literally (Gui/Rose) (Xue/Snow) (Hei/Black) (Yang/Sun)
 
2 people that got the short end of the societal stick and a man grieving the loss of his sibling.
2 people Lying to them so that they are in tilted to do whatever they want because of it , At least emerald realize how much of bullshit it was, and man so stupid he joined the side that killed his sister
 
He gave a reason for why he joined Salem, namely that Ozpin is worse for knowing it's a zero sum game he's playing and that his hesitance to at least try to end it resulted in so many bodies piling up and many skeletons in his closet.
That's stupid. I hope his sister beat the shit out of him before he goes to hell
 
He gave a reason for why he joined Salem, namely that Ozpin is worse for knowing it's a zero sum game he's playing and that his hesitance to at least try to end it resulted in so many bodies piling up and many skeletons in his closet.

More like he tried to beat the shit out of Salem, learned first hand she can't be killed, learned Oz knows, and thus every death of young huntsmen like his sister is now on his (Ozpin's) head. His (Hazel's) reason to work with Salem is "kill a few specific people now to hopefully prevent more kids from dying young."
Dumb, yes, but for a broken man needing SOMETHING to live for it's what he had.
 
No he thinks he's right and being perfectly justified (so he DOES buy into the I am the right nonsense, it's just that he's right for looking after number one.)
I respect I'm a villain because I'm doing it to survive way more than this is totally what my dead sister would want
 
I respect I'm a villain because I'm doing it to survive way more than this is totally what my dead sister would want
Except his motives make sense. Ozpin is sacrificing people in a war he knows he can't win. When Hazel understands WHY (namely that the other option is letting everything burn) he does a heel turn.

You also ignore that Cinder and Emerald have legitimate reasons to have their worldview (Cinder believes that being power will keep her from ever being weak again, and that the only way to gain power is to be cruel).
 
Except his motives make sense.
It's like joining the mob so you can kill the police commissioner because your sister a police officer was killed by the mob. Because you can't stop crime.
Also you know if he didn't spend like days beating on a child his heel turn might mean something.
You also ignore that Cinder and Emerald have legitimate reasons to have their worldview (Cinder believes that being power will keep her from ever being weak again, and that the only way to gain power is to be cruel).
Her abuse doesn't excuse her cruelty Whatever delusion she holds are just that Delusions. Just Like Emerald simping
 
It's like joining the mob so you can kill the police commissioner because your sister a police officer was killed by the mob. Because you can't stop crime.
Also you know if he didn't spend like days beating on a child his heel turn might mean something.

Her abuse doesn't excuse her cruelty Whatever delusion she holds are just that Delusions. Just Like Emerald simping
And yet it's still a better excuse than Vegeta's (as team four star pointed out he would have been an asshole regardless of Freiza's involvement.) If Cinder were a dude you'd be making all kinds of excuses for her.
 
And yet it's still a better excuse than Vegeta's (as team four star pointed out he would have been an asshole regardless of Freiza's involvement.) If Cinder were a dude you'd be making all kinds of excuses for her.
You always like to bring up Vegeta, huh? And the classic "if X were the opposite gender, you wouldn't have a problem" fallacy makes its lovely return.
 
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None the horse shit of I am the right bullshit. The make cinder, emerald, and hazel so fucken Insufferable
You got spirit Red, but this is the real world! The real world is cold! The real world doesn't care about spirit! You want to be a hero? Then play the part and die like every other Huntsman in history! As for me, I'll do what I do best: lie, steal, cheat and survive!


You always like to bring up Vegeta, huh? And the classic "if X were the opposite gender, you wouldn't have a problem" fallacy makes its lovely return.
Given Vegeta is an extremely whiny and insufferable prick drunk on his own horse shit and utter convictions he is right and owed things by the world, I think its a rather salient observation.
 
None the horse shit of I am the right bullshit. The make cinder, emerald, and hazel so fucken Insufferable
You got spirit Red, but this is the real world! The real world is cold! The real world doesn't care about spirit! You want to be a hero? Then play the part and die like every other Huntsman in history! As for me, I'll do what I do best: lie, steal, cheat and survive!
yeah he's just saying he'll live nothing about morality
 
Given Vegeta is an extremely whiny and insufferable prick drunk on his own horse shit and utter convictions he is right and owed things by the world, I think its a rather salient observation.
So, basically Cinder.

Cinder said:
I wanna! I wanna be a Winter Maiden! I wanna! (pounding the ground like a spoiled child) IwannaIwannaIwannaIwannaIwanna—
 
So, basically Cinder.
Daedulus applauds the same things in vegeta he condemns in Cinder. And while Vegeta is a lot nicer in Super (I fully believe he would have used the super dragon balls to heal everything) it doesn't change he has even LESS of an excuse than Cinder (Cinder endured years of abuse and Vegeta was a spoiled prince before Freiza enslaved him.)

I can't help but think it's because Vegeta has a penis and Cinder doesn't.
 
Daedulus applauds the same things in vegeta he condemns in Cinder. And while Vegeta is a lot nicer in Super (I fully believe he would have used the super dragon balls to heal everything) it doesn't change he has even LESS of an excuse than Cinder (Cinder endured years of abuse and Vegeta was a spoiled prince before Freiza enslaved him.)

I can't help but think it's because Vegeta has a penis and Cinder doesn't.
I mean for Vegeta a good portion of the horrible things that Vegeta has done has been later undone via the dragonballs wish.

Something that RWBY lacks so any major event is permanent and cant be undone.
 
yeah he's just saying he'll live nothing about morality
If you seriously think that then I highly suggest you go back and re-read it.

So, basically Cinder.
What @LordYam said, the stuff Daedulus loathes in Cinder, Vegeta has in far vaster quantities with significantly less excuse, not that it stops Vegeta's pretentious whining, and Emerald lacks any of those traits but he also wants her to die. In fact it seems like the only villain he likes is the human white man, everyone else he wants dead and hates.
I mean for Vegeta a good portion of the horrible things that Vegeta has done has been later undone via the dragonballs wish.

Something that RWBY lacks so any major event is permanent and cant be undone.
Um. No. He slaughtered entire planets of people that never came back. Hell the Namekian village he slaughtered never came back. All the people he killed chasing 18 around never came back. The people he killed in the Majin Buu Saga while chucking a tanty got brought back for maybe 24 hours before dying again thanks to Buu. Buu, which was only released because of, oh right, Vegeta, and they never get to come back!
 
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Um. No. He slaughtered entire planets of people that never came back. Hell the Namekian village he slaughtered never came back. All the people he killed chasing 18 around never came back. The people he killed in the Majin Buu Saga while chucking a tanty got brought back for maybe 24 hours before dying again thanks to Buu. Buu, which was only released because of, oh right, Vegeta, and they never get to come back!
Uh your right about part of that and I got some wrong. All Namekian killed by Frieza and his men where brought back. All people killed by cell where brought back. Dende brought back all people killed by Buu with the exception of evil people along with the restoring earth.
 
Generally speaking, people like Vegeta because he works with Goku, and Gohan, or at least, fight the villains. People tend to hate Cinder because she fights RWBY and the rest of the protagonists. Vegeta fought Frieza, Cell, Buu, etc. Cinder teamed up with Salem, and continues to work with her. Lemme see if I remember this correctly...Protagonist centered morality. Ie: Goku, et al treat Vegeta as a friend, or at least, and ally, and thus the audience does to. Ruby, et al, treat Cinder as an antagonist, so the audience does as well.
 
Generally speaking, people like Vegeta because he works with Goku, and Gohan, or at least, fight the villains. People tend to hate Cinder because she fights RWBY and the rest of the protagonists. Vegeta fought Frieza, Cell, Buu, etc. Cinder teamed up with Salem, and continues to work with her. Lemme see if I remember this correctly...Protagonist centered morality. Ie: Goku, et al treat Vegeta as a friend, or at least, and ally, and thus the audience does to. Ruby, et al, treat Cinder as an antagonist, so the audience does as well.
Not for me just think he's cool.
 
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