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RWBY Thread III: Time To Say Goodbye

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Stop: So gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
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    • so gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
    We get a lot of reports from this thread. A lot of it is just a series of people yelling at each other over arguments that have been rehashed hundreds of times since the end of the recent Volume. And I get that the last Volume - and RWBY in general, really - has some controversial moments that people will want to discuss, argue about, debate, etc.

    That's fine. We're not going to stop people from doing that, because that's literally what the point of the thread is. However, there's just a point where it gets to be a bit too much, and arguments about whether or not Ironwood was morally justified in his actions in the recent Volume, or if RWBY and her team were in the right for withholding information from Ironwood out of distrust, or whatever flavor of argument of the day descend into insulting other posters, expressing a demeaning attitude towards other's opinions, and just being overall unpleasant. That tends to happen a lot in this thread. We want it to stop happening in this thread.

    So! As of now the thread is in a higher state of moderation. What that means is that any future infractions will result in a weeklong boot from the thread, and repeated offenders will likely be permanently removed. So please, everyone endeavor to actually respect the other's arguments, and even if you strongly disagree with them please stay civil and mindful when it comes to responding to others.

    In addition, users should refrain from talking about off-site users in the thread. Bear in mind that this does not mean that you cannot continue to post tumblr posts, for example, that add onto the discussion in the thread, with the caveat that it's related to RWBY of course. But any objections to offsite users in the thread should be handled via PM, or they'll be treated as thread violations and infracted as such.
     
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    • Jcogginsa said:

    View: https://jakeysfics.tumblr.com/post/676565297179787264/i-found-the-actual-name-of-team-rwby-project-by


    More datamining for Team RWBy Project, namely what may be it's real name
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    Seems like this really will be focused on the Weiss/Atlas stuff in the poster and not a round robin of various ALT-RWBY members. Unless the project is meant to go one season for each girl and say RWBY: Sunfire Bandits will be it's own anime/the next season or something.
     
    So, will part of V9 be a reference to Predator with Ruby without her weapon trying to escape from a Neo hellbent on killing her?
    (and knowing Neo's Semblance, Ruby's in for a bad time)
     
    I want Neo and Ruby to devolve to them just punching each other exhausted on the beach until someone has to separate them.
     
    Personally, I just want Neo to finally get her ass absolutely handed to her, ahead of the utter breakage that will be admitting the people to blame for Torchwicks death are Cinder, Torchwick himself, and HER.
     
    Matrix Dragon said:
    Personally, I just want Neo to finally get her ass absolutely handed to her, ahead of the utter breakage that will be admitting the people to blame for Torchwicks death are Cinder, Torchwick himself, and HER.
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    How exactly is Neo blamed for Roman's death? I get Cinder and Roman, but Neo barely did anything but obey Roman and Cinder.
     
    Lazurman said:
    Yeah, and I think that's the problem. Friends don't let friends help destroy the country.
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    She went along with the acts of terrorism, and was an active part of subverting Ironwoods fleet. She's demonstrated that honestly, if she wanted to, she could have potentially killed Half-Maiden Cinder if she made a push for it, or even just gotten critical information to Ozpin and co. Instead, like Torchwick, they chose to submit to her threats of force. His death is on her hands to some degree.
     
    Well if anything Roman probably talked Neo into following along in the beginning.
    Recall that Roman could tell that Cinder's group was not something that they could fight. Sure Neo could probably of taken down Cinder or at least her tagalongs, but after that? The hammer would fall on them.
    So to keep him and Neo alive the plan would just be to go along with it. They get to live, raise hell, and probably gotten a nice pay in the end as far as they knew.
     
    Pugman said:
    Well if anything Roman probably talked Neo into following along in the beginning.
    Recall that Roman could tell that Cinder's group was not something that they could fight. Sure Neo could probably of taken down Cinder or at least her tagalongs, but after that? The hammer would fall on them.
    So to keep him and Neo alive the plan would just be to go along with it. They get to live, raise hell, and probably gotten a nice pay in the end as far as they knew.
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    When you're helping to unleash Grimm in terror attacks on civilian targets to the point of risking a Kingdom collapse, you're not getting out of the aftermath alive and unhunted. By submitting to Cinder knowing what they did of her plans, they earned their fate. Hell, all it would have taken is a few words from Torchwick when he was in custody, and the entire thing would have fallen apart. But the coward couldn't do that.
     
    Matrix Dragon said:
    She went along with the acts of terrorism, and was an active part of subverting Ironwoods fleet. She's demonstrated that honestly, if she wanted to, she could have potentially killed Half-Maiden Cinder if she made a push for it, or even just gotten critical information to Ozpin and co. Instead, like Torchwick, they chose to submit to her threats of force. His death is on her hands to some degree.
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    This feels like a huuuge stretch in my opinion.

    Like, you're basically saying "it's Neo's fault that Roman died because she didn't immediately decide to try and kill Cinder or find a way to convey info to Ozpin and possibly put Roman and herself in jeopardy.".

    I get the gist of what you're saying, but this feels like victim blaming.
     
    Psyga315 said:
    This feels like a huuuge stretch in my opinion.

    Like, you're basically saying "it's Neo's fault that Roman died because she didn't immediately decide to try and kill Cinder or find a way to convey info to Ozpin and possibly put Roman and herself in jeopardy.".

    I get the gist of what you're saying, but this feels like victim blaming.
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    Yes. Neo shares some of the blame. She, like Roman, decided it was safer for them to submit to Cinder and unleash Grimm on civilian targets, and now she tries to get 'vengeance' by murdering the girl whose only crime was standing in the way of Torchwicks crimes. And in the process, she just murdered a lot of other people. FUCK HER, it's time for reality to call her on her bullshit.
     
    Eh, based on what we see for 3 volumes and what we see in the book I don't see Roman doing what he did out of cowardice.
    If anything he fully believed in his way of life and had long since gave up on the kind of outlook Ruby had. Heck if I remember the book right he was full on living the crime life before he even fell in with Ms. Malachite and her Spiders. He had long given up on living a good honest life because life itself had basically beat it out of him.
    Everything he said as he beat Ruby with his cane he believed. So why rat someone out to The Man when as far as he knew it would not guarantee him or Neo a better life? What would stop The Law from just tossing them away, too? Not to mention Cinder was working for someone else, someone who knew how to control grimm and had the kind of people on their payroll to threaten the White Fang and the means to make a feasible plan to bring down Beacon. If such a person heard that Roman and Neo blew the lid on the Beacon plan and got Cinder and her squad arrested, where could Roman hide?

    Not saying Roman and Neo were in the right or that Neo doesn't need a good smack upside the head at some point, but at the end of the day Roman due to his own experiences in life had no reason to trust the authorities nor any reason to see a way to break free from Cinder. So to survive, which is what he had been doing since he was a kid in Mistral, he played along with the power stronger then him. Lie, cheat, steal, survive. Unfortunately for him his luck just ran out in the end.

    And now on the Island Neo is either going to have to accept things and find a way to move on, or forever remain on this Island for one reason or another.
     
    Pugman said:
    Eh, based on what we see for 3 volumes and what we see in the book I don't see Roman doing what he did out of cowardice.
    If anything he fully believed in his way of life and had long since gave up on the kind of outlook Ruby had. Heck if I remember the book right he was full on living the crime life before he even fell in with Ms. Malachite and her Spiders. He had long given up on living a good honest life because life itself had basically beat it out of him.
    Everything he said as he beat Ruby with his cane he believed. So why rat someone out to The Man when as far as he knew it would not guarantee him or Neo a better life? What would stop The Law from just tossing them away, too? Not to mention Cinder was working for someone else, someone who knew how to control grimm and had the kind of people on their payroll to threaten the White Fang and the means to make a feasible plan to bring down Beacon. If such a person heard that Roman and Neo blew the lid on the Beacon plan and got Cinder and her squad arrested, where could Roman hide?

    Not saying Roman and Neo were in the right or that Neo doesn't need a good smack upside the head at some point, but at the end of the day Roman due to his own experiences in life had no reason to trust the authorities nor any reason to see a way to break free from Cinder. So to survive, which is what he had been doing since he was a kid in Mistral, he played along with the power stronger then him. Lie, cheat, steal, survive. Unfortunately for him his luck just ran out in the end.

    And now on the Island Neo is either going to have to accept things and find a way to move on, or forever remain on this Island for one reason or another.
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    All fair points. But the one time he talked back to Cinder, it was made very clear to me that it was fear keeping him in line. It was that fear that cost a lot of good people their lives, so I have a hard time sympathizing with him. He was too much of a coward to take a chance, so he became a terrorist that killed people and nearly destroyed a kingdom. It's an interesting contrast to Blake, when you think about it. But in the end, his death was his fault, Cinders fault, and to a lesser extent, yes, Neo's fault. So watching Neo the past few volumes with her eagerness to get at Ruby that she works for Cinder again? Even when she discovers ways that could have killed Cinder with no way to track it back to her, which was pretty much the middle point of V8? (Which, when you compare it to my observations about Torchwick not taking a chance with Ironwood, shows just how alike the two idiots are :p )Ways that would have allowed her to continue her misplaced grudge against Ruby with none of the factions even knowing she was still alive? That's burnt through a lot of sympathy I might have for her, and I say this as someone that likes the character.

    But that's the thing. Her actions have gotten her nothing. Cinder betrayed her, and the little terror somehow didn't see it coming. She hasn't killed Ruby. She has achieved, in the grand scheme, NONE of what she wanted. The knife is in. Now it's time for the narrative to twist it a bit, so that she learns that what she thinks she wants wouldn't give her anything, and what she needs... Well, Emerald knows how THAT goes, doesn't she?

    And the finest way for the narrative to work it, would be to shatter the illusion that she's untouchable and unbeatable. Especially since a lot of people still didn't get that memo after Maria.
     
    Pugman said:
    Eh, based on what we see for 3 volumes and what we see in the book I don't see Roman doing what he did out of cowardice.
    If anything he fully believed in his way of life and had long since gave up on the kind of outlook Ruby had. Heck if I remember the book right he was full on living the crime life before he even fell in with Ms. Malachite and her Spiders. He had long given up on living a good honest life because life itself had basically beat it out of him.
    Everything he said as he beat Ruby with his cane he believed. So why rat someone out to The Man when as far as he knew it would not guarantee him or Neo a better life? What would stop The Law from just tossing them away, too? Not to mention Cinder was working for someone else, someone who knew how to control grimm and had the kind of people on their payroll to threaten the White Fang and the means to make a feasible plan to bring down Beacon. If such a person heard that Roman and Neo blew the lid on the Beacon plan and got Cinder and her squad arrested, where could Roman hide?

    Not saying Roman and Neo were in the right or that Neo doesn't need a good smack upside the head at some point, but at the end of the day Roman due to his own experiences in life had no reason to trust the authorities nor any reason to see a way to break free from Cinder. So to survive, which is what he had been doing since he was a kid in Mistral, he played along with the power stronger then him. Lie, cheat, steal, survive. Unfortunately for him his luck just ran out in the end.

    And now on the Island Neo is either going to have to accept things and find a way to move on, or forever remain on this Island for one reason or another.
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    Roman is one of the villains I like in Rwby because he doesn't have none of the bullshit
     
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