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RWBY Thread III: Time To Say Goodbye

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Stop: So gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
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    • so gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
    We get a lot of reports from this thread. A lot of it is just a series of people yelling at each other over arguments that have been rehashed hundreds of times since the end of the recent Volume. And I get that the last Volume - and RWBY in general, really - has some controversial moments that people will want to discuss, argue about, debate, etc.

    That's fine. We're not going to stop people from doing that, because that's literally what the point of the thread is. However, there's just a point where it gets to be a bit too much, and arguments about whether or not Ironwood was morally justified in his actions in the recent Volume, or if RWBY and her team were in the right for withholding information from Ironwood out of distrust, or whatever flavor of argument of the day descend into insulting other posters, expressing a demeaning attitude towards other's opinions, and just being overall unpleasant. That tends to happen a lot in this thread. We want it to stop happening in this thread.

    So! As of now the thread is in a higher state of moderation. What that means is that any future infractions will result in a weeklong boot from the thread, and repeated offenders will likely be permanently removed. So please, everyone endeavor to actually respect the other's arguments, and even if you strongly disagree with them please stay civil and mindful when it comes to responding to others.

    In addition, users should refrain from talking about off-site users in the thread. Bear in mind that this does not mean that you cannot continue to post tumblr posts, for example, that add onto the discussion in the thread, with the caveat that it's related to RWBY of course. But any objections to offsite users in the thread should be handled via PM, or they'll be treated as thread violations and infracted as such.
     
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    • So a lot of us think Raven will bust Yang out of prison, but where would she go from there? She can't roam Vale freely after this. In fact it may have completely torpedoed her chances of becoming a Huntress.

    I'm thinking Raven might take Yang with her. Yang has a habit of going with the flow, so if someone offered her a way out of this I think she'd take it. Maybe that dream she had of a black-haired, red-eyed double was foreshadowing her new disguise. They had Raven's model already, they could have used that instead of pallet-swapping for the dream scene.

    Thus, we get another arc outside of Beacon with daughter-ova donor bonding. Alternatively, Yang's arc occurs offscreen (as they handled Epsilon and Carolina in RvB) and we stay at Beacon with team RWB as things go to shit.
     
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    anailater said:
    Okay so this might be the best episode yet!
    This episode showcases by far the best part about Rooster Teeth, the transitions between comedy and Drama are always top notch. But JESUS CHRIST WHAT A FUCKING ENDING HOLY CRAP, This does mean one thing though, neither RWBY or Cinder team will win the tournament, so that's interesting.
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    Don't be so sure. Because of Yang getting disqualified Cinder's team might be able to advance another candidate. Likely Cinder herself so that she can do some grand gesture to kick of the final phase of her plan.
     
    Renewal said:
    Undoubtedly. Much like Red vs Blue and Project Freelancer, I'm betting the Maidens are going to be a driving force for the series for a good while, especially if Cinder's plans are finally resolved this season or next.

    Seriously, after Cinder steps down as big bad, I'm laying down money that the next main villain will be an evil Maiden or someone manipulating one.
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    I think Cinder is meant to be the only main villain RWBY has, though I can't find a quote on that at this time.
    MinorGryph said:
    So a lot of us think Raven will bust Yang out of prison, but where would she go from there? She can't roam Vale freely after this. In fact it may have completely torpedoed her chances of becoming a Huntress.

    I'm thinking Raven might take Yang with her. Yang has a habit of going with the flow, so if someone offered her a way out of this I think she'd take it. Maybe that dream she had of a black-haired, red-eyed double was foreshadowing her new disguise. They had Raven's model already, they could have used that instead of pallet-swapping for the dream scene.

    Thus, we get another arc outside of Beacon with daughter-ova donor bonding. Alternatively, Yang's arc occurs offscreen (as they handled Epsilon and Carolina in RvB) and we stay at Beacon with team RWB as things go to shit.
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    I'm expecting the latter, possibly with Yang rejoining them later as everything goes to hell, but that would be an interesting arc and is certainly possible.
     
    Zam said:
    I think Cinder is meant to be the only main villain RWBY has, though I can't find a quote on that at this time.
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    Certainly for the foreseeable future, but knowing Rooster Teeth, RWBY will eventually move on from her, just like Red vs Blue moved on from Project Freelancer. She's definitely the main villain for now, but there's only so long she can remain so without the series dragging a little.
     
    Renewal said:
    Certainly for the foreseeable future, but knowing Rooster Teeth, RWBY will eventually move on from her, just like Red vs Blue moved on from Project Freelancer. She's definitely the main villain for now, but there's only so long she can remain so without the series dragging a little.
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    I don't know, I think the plan was somehting like nine or ten seasons and Cinder's plan is only nominally starting to be revealed mid season 3. I wouldn't be surprised if she was drawn out, even if there was a lot of other stuff in-between.
     
    AlbusRumbledore said:
    Considering she was arrested by Atlesian soldiers and knights, I don't really see why that makes it so unfeasible?
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    Because I'd like to hope that Ironwood would have more common sense than to put her in a cell next to the master thief who has fought with her before. There's also something to be said about a trial and rule of law.

    Though that does bring up a tricky question. Specifically, how are they supposed to investigate this when there are actively people in this tournament with illusion based powers? Semblances have to make law enforcement hell.
     
    Azecreth said:
    Because I'd like to hope that Ironwood would have more common sense than to put her in a cell next to the master thief who has fought with her before. There's also something to be said about a trial and rule of law.

    Though that does bring up a tricky question. Specifically, how are they supposed to investigate this when there are actively people in this tournament with illusion based powers? Semblances have to make law enforcement hell.
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    Remnant is a deathworld where negative feelings draw doombeasts, they spit on our trial-before-imprisonment policies. They need to spin a narrative and scapegoat someone for this fast before people get even more upset and draw more Grimm.
     
    MinorGryph said:
    Remnant is a deathworld where negative feelings draw doombeasts, they spit on our trial-before-imprisonment policies. They need to spin a narrative and scapegoat someone for this fast before people get even more upset and draw more Grimm.
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    Well then, I guess this explains the absence of organized sports on Remnant. Just imagine what football riots would do to the Grimm.
     
    ...well, they just went full serious.

    I'm okay with this.

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    And in hindsight...
    I rather doubt Yang actually hit Merc. I don't see Cinder kneecapping her plans like that...

    ...no pun intended. Illusions to make it look like she did, means she probably didn't even hurt him.
     
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    Zam said:
    Yang just got arrested!? Cinder controls the cameras, no no no!
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    Not just the cameras. Judging by RWB's reaction, everyone saw Yang breaking Mercury's leg while he was helpless.

    Okay, possible plot hole here, though it might just be me misinterpreting something:

    Why did Ozpin and co. believe (or at least say they believed) Pyrrha is "next in line" to be the Fall Maiden? I could understand if they just picked her for the Aura-transfer experiment because they thought she was the best choice for the job, but that phrasing implies that there's a reason they thought she'd be the one if the power had been transferred normally. Which would imply that Amber knew Pyrrha, or at least knew of her...the former's probably out since Pyrrha didn't recognize her, but since Pyrrha's pretty famous and Amber appears to be roughly the same age or not much older, it's possible Amber saw her as a role model/idol.

    Or maybe it's just a plot hole/writing error.

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    Alternatively, maybe Qrow was lying about the selection being completely random if the previous Maiden's last thoughts aren't about a qualified candidate.

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    Interesting theory someone pointed out on Reddit:

    Summer Rose's official status is missing, presumed dead, and nobody claims to have any idea what happened to her. Her former teammate is part of a top-secret organization dedicated to keeping the Maidens secret, despite being an unreliable alcoholic asshole. Coincidence?

    Furthermore, what exactly is Qrow so damn bitter about? Maybe the fact that he's complicit in faking and/or covering up the death of one of his teammates, and in turn being partially responsible for (going by what Yang said about Taiyang) the near-total breakdown of another teammate?

    Summer being one of the Maidens would admittedly be a bit on the nose. Though maybe she was actually the Spring or Winter Maiden. :V
     
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    Skywalker_T-65 said:
    ...well, they just went full serious.

    I'm okay with this.

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    And in hindsight...
    I rather doubt Yang actually hit Merc. I don't see Cinder kneecapping her plans like that...

    ...no pun intended. Illusions to make it look like she did, means she probably didn't even hurt him.
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    Nah, Cinder's a villain: kneecapping her subordinates for the sake of a plan is totally within the realm of possibility :p.

    More seriously, it would depend on the nature of the illusions--which must be in play for the scheme to work--that decides the likelihood of what really happened. A localized illusion on Yang (which showed Mercury attacking her) is the simple solution, and would have the most efficacy, since literally no one but Yang would have seen what she saw.

    Next most likely is an illusion around the entire arena, which would hide the real series of events (which Yang and Mercury both saw), and show everyone else the illusion with the same result--Mercury with a broken leg--though this makes the illusionist a lot more powerful, being able to full an arena's worth of people and cameras.

    Your suggestion is the last alternative: an illusion on the vicinity of Mercury that affects Yang differently from everyone else--Yang sees Mercury attacking, everyone else sees Mercury conceding defeat like a good sport, both see Mercury lying on the ground with a broken leg, and no one but the illusionist sees Mercury smiling evilly to himself while faking a broken leg. It's definitely plausible, especially if Cinder needs Mercury fully battle-ready like you suggest, though it's also dependent on the illusionist being able to maintain the illusion indefinitely and fooling any medical scans. On the other hand, it also gives the writers an easy out to get Yang exonerated--just dispel the illusion/eliminate the illusionist--so who knows?
     
    My number one nitpicky problem with the end was in showing Yang kneecapping Mercury, it also showcased the limitations of Poser. Illusion or not, everyone watching saw Mercury with not enough aura to defend against Yang's shotgun-fist as it shattered bone, but he still had enough aura to prevent any blood, bruising, or even any damage to his pantleg. Kinda took me out of the scene. Still though, I'm glad there's some more bite with combat now.
     
    Barnaby said:
    My number one nitpicky problem with the end was in showing Yang kneecapping Mercury, it also showcased the limitations of Poser. Illusion or not, everyone watching saw Mercury with not enough aura to defend against Yang's shotgun-fist as it shattered bone, but he still had enough aura to prevent any blood, bruising, or even any damage to his pantleg. Kinda took me out of the scene. Still though, I'm glad there's some more bite with combat now.
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    I agree, the shotgun part fired into his leg as well so there should have been a real mess from the pellets tearing things up.
     
    Actually, @MinorGryph did bring up an interesting point. Specifically, what is the extent of civil liberties in a society threatened by eldritch abominations that are attracted to negative emotions? While obviously the right to bear arms is basically a necessity here, what about others? Is it 'innocent until proven guilty', or 'guilty until proven innocent', or does it hit a mix between depending on the needs of the moment?

    I know I certainly can get annoyed at the Faunus Rights Movement and the White Fang for peaceful protest being so ineffective that it forced them to radicalize, but what if that's because protesting simply isn't allowed? That can inspire all sorts of tense negative emotions like what we saw at the Tournament, that can attract the eye of the Grimm. So, they radicalized because there was simply no other viable outlet for this discontent. (And in this case it's a catch 22 because you're gonna have all this resentment lingering and building in the background until it explodes)

    Then it gets even better, because we know that that Great War was fought for the sake of freedom and not being authoritarian bastards. But just how far does their idea of what 'freedom' is differ from what ours may be? Certainly we haven't really seen any indications of an unjust society as we would view it, but then again we've only had exposure to one particular viewpoint, which hasn't really presented anything beyond 'Racism' and 'Corporations being exploitative and monopolistic', which may just be reflections on our own society and not necessarily on the situation as it would arise in Remnant.

    Ah well, maybe we'll see this answered, maybe not. I dunno.[/SPOILER
     
    What if Team RWBY as a WHOLE goes rogue after busting Yang out, and get unofficial backing from Ozpin as Ironwood goes full dictator and steadily makes the situation worse with his Hard Man craziness? Nora's rant at the start of the season being actually for her friends, not her team. With Qrow and Raven taking over as the mentors as they go undercover to try and stop things. With Penny possibly getting hacked and driven nuts, Vale potentially coming under a military occupation, and team RWBY being seperated from JNPR by percieved evil on their part, it fulfills all the things going on in the titles.

    Plus, you know... Red vs. Blue.
     
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