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RWBY Thread III: Time To Say Goodbye

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Stop: So gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
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    • so gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
    We get a lot of reports from this thread. A lot of it is just a series of people yelling at each other over arguments that have been rehashed hundreds of times since the end of the recent Volume. And I get that the last Volume - and RWBY in general, really - has some controversial moments that people will want to discuss, argue about, debate, etc.

    That's fine. We're not going to stop people from doing that, because that's literally what the point of the thread is. However, there's just a point where it gets to be a bit too much, and arguments about whether or not Ironwood was morally justified in his actions in the recent Volume, or if RWBY and her team were in the right for withholding information from Ironwood out of distrust, or whatever flavor of argument of the day descend into insulting other posters, expressing a demeaning attitude towards other's opinions, and just being overall unpleasant. That tends to happen a lot in this thread. We want it to stop happening in this thread.

    So! As of now the thread is in a higher state of moderation. What that means is that any future infractions will result in a weeklong boot from the thread, and repeated offenders will likely be permanently removed. So please, everyone endeavor to actually respect the other's arguments, and even if you strongly disagree with them please stay civil and mindful when it comes to responding to others.

    In addition, users should refrain from talking about off-site users in the thread. Bear in mind that this does not mean that you cannot continue to post tumblr posts, for example, that add onto the discussion in the thread, with the caveat that it's related to RWBY of course. But any objections to offsite users in the thread should be handled via PM, or they'll be treated as thread violations and infracted as such.
     
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    • The White Fang were never shown as civil rights activists, at least never on screen.
    What we DID get on screen were domestic terrorists. Plain and simple.
    It was once a civil rights group, but by the time we see things the group we get are up to nothing but criminal activity to the degree that local cops look at a dust robbery and wonder if it was the Fang.
    Heck Sun gives was what amounts to an outsiders perspective on the Fang. So between him, Blake's experience, and Weiss' experience we are given a rather clear picture on what the Fang really is and none of them are "blink and you'll miss it" moments like the news report.
     
    Eos_Astraeus said:
    Personally, I think the best way to have dealt with the issue would have been to make Sienna more prominent. They obviously intended to tie Adam to Blakes personal arc rather than the Faunus myth arc. As such so having someone else, either the Lieutenant who faces Weiss, or Sienna really illustrate the fact that the WF was lashing out against legitimate grievances. E.g. after the breach is cleared and things are claming down weiss walks over to the lieutenants body to check if he's still alive, his mask falls of and the SDC brand is shown on his face. Or have Adam be submitting false reports about his activities to Siena to show that he's gone rouge and that he's acting selfishly. One or 2 scenes, a few added details, something to show that it was Adam, not the WF as an idea that was the issue. Make Adam's rise a tragedy for that group.

    The Narrative for the first five volumes shows the WF as the civil rights groups with the only alternative mentioned in a blink and you'll miss it background news report get transformed into mooks for a nebulous bad guy. They then help unleash an army of demons on a major capital for no conceivable gain other than for the evils, any rational leadership is replaced by one of the protags psycho ex-boyfriend, and plan to do the same thing to a second kingdom. Then they get disbanded by a third group of Faunus afraid of the backlash from negative publicity, led by someone who tried to reason with a lynch mob.

    We aren't given any detail on what on earth could inspire this level of aggression until the end of volume 6, and that's tangential to the scene itself. And we don't see anything in peoples nearing that level of abuse hinted at until volume 8 against a human character, leaving us to guess how much worse it would be for a faunus.

    I keep imagining the Faunus as black and the narrative makes my blood boil.

    They've gotten better with dealing with it in later volumes, but the behaviours demonstrated by Atlas make it seem like something like Sienna's WF was necessary for Faunus to get anything approaching equal treatment because the idea of endure this terrible treatment and I'm sure one day those rich b*****ds in the floating city will see the error of their ways and grant you a bit more freedom until one day, in a couple centuries, you'll almost be equal.

    Slavery needed a civil war to die in America, colonialism needed the military power of the European empires broken before it could start to die, sometimes a situation is so f****d that you need to force a change rather than ask for it.
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    I mean we did find out Adam had gone rogue from his & Sienna's interaction, and one could take hints from it with Cinder's minions killing dissenters as well, but I agree Sienna being shown earlier. Like a cut to her watching the Breach and being pissed about "That fool Taurus", showing her in V4 meeting Blake and clarifying he's gone rogue & had been for awhile. RT's issues with time and tight resources made some of this harder as it limited scope and made doing double checks on scripts harder, hence why they note they've improved a lot since adding more people to the team and by writing everything out a year in advance.

    I feel this glosses over the whole "Forcefully recruited" and "Anyone who tried to protest was killed" aspects, along with ignores how groups like the IRA also can dissolve when the wrong people get too much power.

    That's... Your decision though? Like its been noted before but the writers have never explicitly said the Faunus were an allegory for black people; discrimination and slavery aren't exclusive to black people after all.

    I mean Blake literally said in V1 that Sienna's methods met with success, its just that outside forces and a Quisling led to the whole operation falling apart, which again, happens in real life.

    ... I'm just going to link this article about how the civil war didn't end slavery, note that colonialism is alive and well to the point where several countries in Africa have a shared word for "French backed coup", add that even in the article I referenced case there's a metric ton more stuff they don't cover and then move on.
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    So I really like this post, as it talks about Qrow's growth.
     


    within 3 and a half minutes this video alone more or less gives a 5 step show of what Ironwood's story is and what many of us have said.
    It's a Tragedy.
    Here is how I see it;
    1 - He is a Headmaster of an Acedemy and The General in charge of the THE preeminent military power in the world.
    2 - His paranoia and stubbornness (reinforced by Mettle or not).
    3 - He is losing allies left and right and his Kingdom is under seige.
    4 - the current events.
    5 - Volume 8's eventual finale.
     
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    VolantRedX said:
    See my thinking is that Emerald is going to ask the one thing that might actually get her to leave "will Cinder ever love me?"
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    Psyga315 said:
    She can PowerPoint all the moments where she's been a bitch to her and tell her flat out "what do YOU think? Thanks for the waste tho."
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    Given Cinders response to Mercury leaving and her backstory as it stands, from Cinders perspective she might be acting in a respectful, caring and honest manner.

    Took her of the streets, let her eat at the table with her and the same food, never (physically) abused her, kept her in confidence to her secrets. This might be the best Cinder can pull of without confronting over a decade of trauma and then the conditioning from Salem.

    Not great, but not enough to get a "Cinder doesn't care about you" from Jin. Maybe a long presentation into the fact Cinder is a long way from being able to express love in a positive manner and needs to confront this, but not a Cinder doesn't care about you. Similar to how Catra cared about Scorpia, but was still hella toxic.
     
    VolantRedX said:
    See my thinking is that Emerald is going to ask the one thing that might actually get her to leave "will Cinder ever love me?"
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    I feel like Emerald's already reached that conclusion to be honest.
    Eos_Astraeus said:
    never (physically) abused her,
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    Technically she did slap Emerald, though yes besides that I do imagine in Cinder's warped understanding of relationships, this is her caring as much as she's able too.
     
    Cinder is waiting for EM to spread her wings and try to kill her then Em wont need her protection anymore
     
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    bet appealing to their better nature finally works in vacuo because well let me remind you
     
    *Gives person on tumblr a look* So, because Qrow doesn't spend every minute on screen in volume 7 moaning about wanting a drink, his struggle against alcoholism is just waved away? Fuck you.
     
    Mook said:
    I am so HERE for Arma Gigas being an unruly pet that wants to crush Jacques with the weight of his own sins.

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    the first part made me think of Perfuma from She-Ra. XD

    Zam said:
    This is a neat catch regarding Oscar:
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    Boy is so unsure of what to do at times he'll imitate damn near anyone.
    Now I really want him to meet the GodBros, just to see how he acts.
    Dark God - "Who is this Sassy, Lost Child?"


    Rabe said:
    bet appealing to their better nature finally works in vacuo because well let me remind you
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    ......ok since when are people from Monty Python part of Transformers?! o.o
     
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