RWBY Thread III: Time To Say Goodbye

Stop: So gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
so gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
We get a lot of reports from this thread. A lot of it is just a series of people yelling at each other over arguments that have been rehashed hundreds of times since the end of the recent Volume. And I get that the last Volume - and RWBY in general, really - has some controversial moments that people will want to discuss, argue about, debate, etc.

That's fine. We're not going to stop people from doing that, because that's literally what the point of the thread is. However, there's just a point where it gets to be a bit too much, and arguments about whether or not Ironwood was morally justified in his actions in the recent Volume, or if RWBY and her team were in the right for withholding information from Ironwood out of distrust, or whatever flavor of argument of the day descend into insulting other posters, expressing a demeaning attitude towards other's opinions, and just being overall unpleasant. That tends to happen a lot in this thread. We want it to stop happening in this thread.

So! As of now the thread is in a higher state of moderation. What that means is that any future infractions will result in a weeklong boot from the thread, and repeated offenders will likely be permanently removed. So please, everyone endeavor to actually respect the other's arguments, and even if you strongly disagree with them please stay civil and mindful when it comes to responding to others.

In addition, users should refrain from talking about off-site users in the thread. Bear in mind that this does not mean that you cannot continue to post tumblr posts, for example, that add onto the discussion in the thread, with the caveat that it's related to RWBY of course. But any objections to offsite users in the thread should be handled via PM, or they'll be treated as thread violations and infracted as such.
 
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-cocks pistol- If someone doesn't get Cinder out of there soon, I will.

Holy shit Rhodes, you care enough to train the girl, but not enough to get her out? You fuckstick.

Loved seeing "Ok Goodnight" (the band Casey is in) in the credits.

Also the "Tyrian is the Hound" theory has been immediately debunked. Which was already a bit silly, if you remember how Salem dismissed all of her minions, including Tyrian, from her throne room in the first episode of this volume, before the Hound came in a little bit after they left.

I mean come on, that would mean Tyrian left with the others, then doubled back like a good Impostor when he knew no one was looking, went through a full on transformation sequence, before coming back into her throne room and being all "They don't suspect a thing, your grace! They don't know that I can turn into a Grimm monster!"

Come on, it's more than a little silly.
 
At least we also see that the Whale isn't actually big enough to bellyflop Atlas, so I guess people can shut the fuck up about that now.

jk, people who come up with stupid stuff like that don't need facts.
 
Mostly an aside, but I like that there was like, no sympathy for Cinder's step mother, she didn't get some weepy, sad, pitiful death where you're made to viscerally empathize with her, she went out vicious and cruel, desperately trying to enforce her control over Cinder to the last fucking moment with fury on her face and died for it.
 
As someone stated, we only got part of Cinder's backstory here. We haven't seen how Salem got to her, I also don't think we ever found out where that feather accessory she incorporates into almost every outfit came from.
 
The fact that Salem priortizes on attacking Atlas kinda just hard confirms Ironwood's paranoia.
 
I am living for
Oscar being a little badass who absolutely refuses to break from torture* and instead sees this as an opportunity to kick some ass with social fu.


He is such a sassy little badass and I love him. :D

As someone stated, we only got part of Cinder's backstory here. We haven't seen how Salem got to her, I also don't think we ever found out where that feather accessory she incorporates into almost every outfit came from.
The second half isn't quite right
We do have a pretty good idea where the accessory came from and it's way more fucked up and personal than I think any of us would ever have expected:

I saw people mentioning how Cinder believes the pain and abuse she's been put through and is still being put through has made her stronger, then I noticed how these two "accessories" are the same shape

She literally carrying the pain with her in the form of a physical reminder



The feathers are also very similar in shape to the feather duster she was using to clean with.


Hah, I love
Yang. :)



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Also about the new song

I checked out their stuff on Spotify and it's really good. I recommend checking it out.
 
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My thoughts on the episode itself
So I guess Cinder was another of The Orphans of the world, and possibly from Anima.
From there she was picked up by an Atlesian who ran a big shiny hotel when she was 10.
These 2 points basically make the theories of her being poor and from Anima or Solitas all right. Not bad.
As for ol Iron Rhodes, I can't hate him like others are just because he didn't run off with Cinder.
If the show has made anything clear, it's that the world isn't fair, just, and is filled with tragedies, and the tale of Cinder and Rhodes was another one.
When "running" was brought up Rhodes even states "It's all you'll ever do."
Not to mention, Cinder is 10 and Madam is her legal guardian. If Rhodes takes Cinder and runs, then he'll technically be breaking the law. This would cause problems for him for as long as he remained in Atlas territory, could have his own colleagues come after him, and word could spread to other Kingdoms that The Huntsmen Rhodes is now a kidnapper. "It's all you'll ever do."
Is it right to leave Cinder in that situation? No. But as is the sad case with things like this, even in our world, there is not much you can do besides provide whatever support and guidance you can until there is a way out, such as aging out.
And in the end, I don't think Rhodes felt any hate for Cinder.


As for Emerald, I honestly get the feeling she WON'T ditch Cinder, and instead will be what gets Cinder to turn and possibly begin a redemption arc.
Emerald, like Rhodes, is the one person that is showing her kindness, compassion, and even trying to look out for her.
The difference this time around will probably be Emerald actually standing up to Salem or actually helping Cinder escape.
Or heck, we might get this;
Emerald - "Cinder! We have to run, now!"
Cinder - *has mini lashback* "No.....I'm done running."
Emerald - *shocked, but gives a light smile* "Then I'll stand by you."
 










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The second half isn't quite right
We do have a pretty good idea where the accessory came from and it's way more fucked up and personal than I think any of us would ever have expected:







The feathers are also very similar in shape to the feather duster she was using to clean with.

Shiiiit, I did not catch that.


Whoops, my hand slipped, protect that smile and all that
 
cinder was right to kill her stepmother, but that does not excuse the actions she did later
Well no shit, her actions as an adult are all her own choice for the most part and she is responsible for them, but you also have to consider the fact that her living under Salem's influence had a hell of an impact on her making those choices, and she will continue to make them as long as she doesn't acknowledge that Salem is actively bad for her. Girl needs to get out of there. Hell, so do the others, and that includes Mercury "Salem will protect me now, I'm totally happy where I am, stop saying I'm deluding myself" Black.

The show is telling us that despite everything that Cinder has done, she doesn't deserve what happened to her, nor does she deserve what is happening to her. Time will tell if the show also says that maybe, just maybe, Cinder deserves to be saved, but I hope so.
 
You know what I'm surprised they did not do, that has cinder and neo bond over the fact that cinder was mute for a while like neo, so cinder now knows what's it like to be mute. I feel like that can be shown by having cinder do sign language with neo or something to that effect.
 










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I mean.. would they? We don't know how Team STRQ were back then. They could have acted just like Rhodes and helped a little, but not enough to actually improve her quality of life.

Rhodes might be a product of his time and that is why he didn't do anything.

Also, lol. Rhodes = Roads. As in the road that put Cinder on her path.
 
Yeah, that's going to be major death flags for Salem if she's doing the same shit that Cinder's stepmom was doing.

Also, considering what Rhodes could have done and having the nerve to try and bring her in for what could pass for self-defense, he kinda had it coming.
 
Saving
I'm not sure STRQ or RWBY would of saved Cinder. We don't know much about STRQ, and for RWBY we all saw them not stop Cardin from tugging on Velvet's ears.

Abuse
Blake kills Adam in self defense even after telling him many times to back off.
FNDM - How dare she kill Adam! She is a murderer!

Cinder kills her abusers and the one man who was just trying to help.
FNDM - How dare Rhodes not do more? The bitch had it coming and so did him for not doing more.

Me - .....What?
 
Abuse
Blake kills Adam in self defense even after telling him many times to back off.
FNDM - How dare she kill Adam! She is a murderer!

Cinder kills her abusers and the one man who was just trying to help.
FNDM - How dare Rhodes not do more? The bitch had it coming and so did him for not doing more.

Me - .....What?
Well, that's because there's a huge difference in that where as Blake and Yang were isolated from Adam and that it was in the heat of the moment, Rhodes could have stepped in at any point.
 
So uh is slavery legal in Atlas cause what the fuck.

Also Rhodes you absolute dumb fuck. why didn't you at least get her out of there?

I had a weird thought, Cinder got pissed after Mercury said she didn't care about Emerald. Could it be that she actually does care about Emerald she just has a completely fucked up way of expressing it because of her backstory

edit: Cinder was an unusually tall ten year old
 
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Abuse
Cinder kills her abusers and the one man who was just trying to help.
FNDM - How dare Rhodes not do more? The bitch had it coming and so did him for not doing more.

Me - .....What?
Those two scenarios are not even remotely comparable, aside from the fact that a survivor of abuse is killing their abuser.

Both Blake and Cinder were completely justified, also, Cinder was totally fine with not killing Madame and the twins for years, after Rhodes gave her something to hope for, even though he, as a huntsman, and a grown ass man, should have just gotten her the hell out of there after seeing even a hint of the situation she was in. It was only after the twins found out she had a weapon, something that was a gift, something that was hers, and presumably tried to take it away, that she killed them and Madame.

People like CInder are who Rhodes is supposed to be protecting, and by opting to train her intermittently until she was old enough to take the Huntsman exam (a legal adult, that's how long he wanted the 10 year old with the shock collar to live at that hotel), instead of getting her out of there, and doing everything in his power to shut that place down, it can only be called failure as a huntsman on his part.

Then after seeing the situation he facilitated, that yes, he was complicit in, since he was a regular customer at the hotel, he treated her like she was the one in the wrong, and drew his weapon to subdue her, after which you can pause at the exact moment where Cinder's heart gets ripped out. Upholding the law, even when it let people like Madame get away with this kind of shit, meant more to him than doing the right thing, so yeah, fuck him.
 
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