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RWBY Thread III: Time To Say Goodbye

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Stop: So gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
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    • so gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
    We get a lot of reports from this thread. A lot of it is just a series of people yelling at each other over arguments that have been rehashed hundreds of times since the end of the recent Volume. And I get that the last Volume - and RWBY in general, really - has some controversial moments that people will want to discuss, argue about, debate, etc.

    That's fine. We're not going to stop people from doing that, because that's literally what the point of the thread is. However, there's just a point where it gets to be a bit too much, and arguments about whether or not Ironwood was morally justified in his actions in the recent Volume, or if RWBY and her team were in the right for withholding information from Ironwood out of distrust, or whatever flavor of argument of the day descend into insulting other posters, expressing a demeaning attitude towards other's opinions, and just being overall unpleasant. That tends to happen a lot in this thread. We want it to stop happening in this thread.

    So! As of now the thread is in a higher state of moderation. What that means is that any future infractions will result in a weeklong boot from the thread, and repeated offenders will likely be permanently removed. So please, everyone endeavor to actually respect the other's arguments, and even if you strongly disagree with them please stay civil and mindful when it comes to responding to others.

    In addition, users should refrain from talking about off-site users in the thread. Bear in mind that this does not mean that you cannot continue to post tumblr posts, for example, that add onto the discussion in the thread, with the caveat that it's related to RWBY of course. But any objections to offsite users in the thread should be handled via PM, or they'll be treated as thread violations and infracted as such.
     
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    • Slater said:
    I'm surprised people ever thought it was in doubt, but might as well post it here.



    Which should have always been obvious, even from the most cynical perspective of RT riding there money maker, there was never any way they wouldn't go to Vacuo.
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    Now the question is why they will make the trip to Vacuo. The reason they went to Atlas was to chuck the Relic in a more secure location (before they found out that it was too secure) and the reason they went to Mistral was to get information on the Fall of Beacon/warn the Headmaster/stop Haven from being next, each having varying degrees of success.

    So what drives them to go to Vacuo would be interesting.
     
    LordDarthYoda said:
    Yeah I feel that idea is alongside the same line as the people who said Weiss needed to see Adam's branding. Why? So she can feel guilty? It's not like she's been flaunting her family's company's actions in Blake's face or anything after v1. At no point had she said what they had done was a good thing or excused any of it. So what would the point be other than pile more angst on her?
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    Simple, "so we aren't having bumblebee shoved down our throats". THAT is the reason, plain and a simple.


    Sunder the Gold said:
    If Amity doesn't attain greater height than it already could, its signal cannot reach the other towers. That was the entire point of the plan to raise it up so high.



    There seems to be a curious idea that suffering makes one more righteous than anyone else.

    I think those who grow past their suffering are the ones who become righteous.

    Imagine if Adam forgave the ones who branded him. Imagine if he told them to their faces that he forgave them.

    Either they would be humbled and ashamed, or they would become furious and demand to know how he thought he had the right to forgive them as though they'd done something wrong. What gave him the right to look down on them?

    "How could I be looking down on you if I didn't have the moral high ground? And if you're righteous, why do you need me to hate you?"
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    Pretty sure the raising Amity part was so you had a tower that was out of reach of most grimm. Meanwhile getting a signal out should not be connected to it being airborn or not.

    As for Suffering, I think that is just the general love of edge and "earn your happy ending". From what I have seen there are those who think our girls haven't stumbled and suffered enough. They feel that they have gotten away with to much without so much as a slap on the wrist. To these people they got their butts saved and handed a victory at Haven, HATE that they got away with stealing an airship and blame them for the leviathan attack, and now of course blame them whole sale for the current predicament Atlas is in.
    *shrugs*


    Psyga315 said:
    Now the question is why they will make the trip to Vacuo. The reason they went to Atlas was to chuck the Relic in a more secure location (before they found out that it was too secure) and the reason they went to Mistral was to get information on the Fall of Beacon/warn the Headmaster/stop Haven from being next, each having varying degrees of success.

    So what drives them to go to Vacuo would be interesting.
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    Simple, the Sword.

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    So on a non Ironwood topic
    Where do we think Salem's throne is? Likely on Monstro's back but I also like the idea of her inner sanctum being deep inside the whale. I'm weird like that. Sky around her doesn't look like clouds.
     
    here is a possible idea for volume 8 that follows with the ideas of Sacrifice, Trust, and the comparison between Ironwood and Ruby
    What if to make Salem pull of out Atlas and leave it, Ruby makes a call (without running it by her friends) and goes "You once set Tyrian to capture me, and I am a Silver Eyed warrior....let's make a deal. You leave my friends alone and pull out of the kingdom of Atlas.....and I'll go with you." Where Ironwood was willing to sacrifice so many others to protect his floating city, in this scenario we'd have Ruby sacrifice herself to protect the people and buy her allies time.
    Most likely NOT gonna happen, but it is an idea. We've seen how Ruby puts others before herself, and how she sees that as The Leader it's her job/duty to keep everyone safe. It would upset her friends greatly, and might cause Oz to think back on his "Infinite Man" phase and see how Ruby is risking the same play. Ruby, for her part, would probably shout back at them to not stop her and to trust her. That the important thing is to protect people, and that that is what she is doing right now.
     
    Apparently one of the recent RTX panels had some concept art for the Grimm Campaign characters:



    Speaking of which, the latest episode has started to really flesh out the campaign and is making things quite interesting:
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    RWBY: The Grimm Campaign - Rooster Teeth

    The Grimm Campaign follows a Huntsman and Huntress team as they journey through the heart of Mistral’s underworld. Set prior to the events of RWBY, this roleplaying adventure will uncover dark secrets in one of Remnant’s most mysterious and dangerous kingdoms.
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    HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEIIIIIIIIIISSSSSSSSSSSTTT!
     
    Pugman said:
    here is a possible idea for volume 8 that follows with the ideas of Sacrifice, Trust, and the comparison between Ironwood and Ruby
    What if to make Salem pull of out Atlas and leave it, Ruby makes a call (without running it by her friends) and goes "You once set Tyrian to capture me, and I am a Silver Eyed warrior....let's make a deal. You leave my friends alone and pull out of the kingdom of Atlas.....and I'll go with you." Where Ironwood was willing to sacrifice so many others to protect his floating city, in this scenario we'd have Ruby sacrifice herself to protect the people and buy her allies time.
    Most likely NOT gonna happen, but it is an idea. We've seen how Ruby puts others before herself, and how she sees that as The Leader it's her job/duty to keep everyone safe. It would upset her friends greatly, and might cause Oz to think back on his "Infinite Man" phase and see how Ruby is risking the same play. Ruby, for her part, would probably shout back at them to not stop her and to trust her. That the important thing is to protect people, and that that is what she is doing right now.
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    If that happens, then it'll be Ruby's big test of character as it'll be her first personal error: it's increasingly implied that "sacrificing herself to spare her team and friends" was what Summer tried and failed miserably, if Ruby wants to win against Salem, she'll have to do so as a team. As I said in a previous post, RWBY isn't Dragon Ball Z or some other shonen where the heroes will spend one year of training in a magic chamber to reach the Super Silver Eyed State that will defeat Super Perfect Salem, there's so much a Hunter or Huntress can do alone, and only by being united the good guys can win.
     
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    ElMariachi said:
    If that happens, then it'll be Ruby's big test of character as it'll be her first personal error: it's increasingly implied that "sacrificing herself to spare her team and friends" was what Summer tried and failed miserably, if Ruby wants to win against Salem, she'll have to do so as a team. As I said in a previous post, RWBY isn't Dragon Ball Z or some other shonen where the heroes will spend one year of training in a magic chamber to reach the Super Silver Eyed State that will defeat Super Perfect Salem, there's so much a Hunter or Huntress can do alone, and only by being united the good guys can win.
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    This point is especially emphasized in the "The Hunter's Children" fairy tale.
     
    Mook said:
    This point is especially emphasized in the "The Hunter's Children" fairy tale.
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    That is a point that is repetitively emphasized through the story: the teams being at the heart of Hunter Academies' teaching with its constant teambuilding, the fact that most of the heroes got trashed when they fought alone (Ruby vs Cinder, Ruby vs Roman in Mountain Glenn, Yang vs Neo, Weiss vs the White Fang Lieutenant, Pyrrha vs Cinder, Blake vs Adam...) and that even older Hunters going solo - which usually in fictions are the epitome of badasses - end up defeated: Amber was easily defeated by Cinder, Emerald and Mercury because she was traveling alone, Qrow didn't accomplished much until he joined forces with the heroes, Tyrian was defeated by team RNJR + Qrow, Cinder too was defeated by Vernal helping Raven one last time, the Ace-Ops got trounced by team RWBY because they each fought on their own while the latter worked as a team, hell, Maria's story is an in-universe cautionary tale for Hunters warning against the idea to work alone!

    So it still baffles me when I see people complaining that the heroes never get a "significant victory in solo" and they "always have to be 'bailed out' by other people", because that the whole point! Hell, Tyrian understood that lessons from his last battle and used it by when Clover, Qrow and Robyn were fighting each other to get rid of Clover and escape! Even the big bad Salem knows this lesson, as she always send her minions at least in pairs when they have to go on critical missions.
     
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    ElMariachi said:
    That is a point that is repetitively emphasized through the story: the teams being at the heart of Hunter Academies' teaching with its constant teambuilding, the fact that most of the heroes got trashed when they fought alone (Ruby vs Cinder, Ruby vs Roman in Mountain Glenn, Yang vs Neo, Weiss vs the White Fang Lieutenant, Pyrrha vs Cinder, Blake vs Adam...) and that even older Hunters going solo - which usually in fictions are the epitome of badasses - end up defeated: Amber was easily defeated by Cinder, Emerald and Mercury because she was traveling alone, Qrow didn't accomplished much until he joined forces with the heroes, Tyrian was defeated by team RNJR + Qrow, Cinder too was defeated by Vernal helping Raven one last time, the Ace-Ops got trounced by team RWBY because they each fought on their own while the latter worked as a team, hell, Maria's story is an in-universe cautionary tale for Hunters warning against the idea to work alone!

    So it still baffles me when I see people complaining that the heroes never get a "significant victory in solo" and they "always have to be 'bailed out' by other people", because that the whole point! Hell, Tyrian understood that lessons from his last battle and used it by when Clover, Qrow and Robyn were fighting each other to get rid of Clover and escape! Even the big bad Salem knows this lesson, as she always send her minions at least in pairs when they have to go on critical missions.
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    Well yes all that you said is true. But my point stands. It is especially emphasized in "The Hunter's Children" because it is a fairy tale with a Aesob's Fable style ending with a explicit moral lesson that only by working together can good people triumph over evil (as demonstrated and lectured on in the tale by how the Hunter died because he fought alone and how all his children failed when they attempted to go at things alone).
     
    Mook said:
    Well yes all that you said is true. But my point stands. It is especially emphasized in "The Hunter's Children" because it is a fairy tale with a Aesob's Fable style ending with a explicit moral lesson that only by working together can good people triumph over evil (as demonstrated and lectured on in the tale by how the Hunter died because he fought alone and how all his children failed when they attempted to go at things alone).
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    AKA "everything Ruby and Yang definitively shouldn't do". :D
     
    So, who do ya'll think is gonna kick it in the next volume? Because I'm bettin' on Neo. All she's got goin' for her is her revenge shtick and I feel that the moment her, Cinder, and Ruby are in the same room she's gonna gank Cinder. Either she dies in the attempt or succeeds and exits the show. I would be happy either way. Although Cinder making that same face she did at the end of Volume 3 would make me even happier.

    ElMariachi said:
    If that happens, then it'll be Ruby's big test of character as it'll be her first personal error: it's increasingly implied that "sacrificing herself to spare her team and friends" was what Summer tried and failed miserably, if Ruby wants to win against Salem, she'll have to do so as a team. As I said in a previous post, RWBY isn't Dragon Ball Z or some other shonen where the heroes will spend one year of training in a magic chamber to reach the Super Silver Eyed State that will defeat Super Perfect Salem, there's so much a Hunter or Huntress can do alone, and only by being united the good guys can win.
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    I would unironically watch that and enjoy it but that's because I'm shounen trash :lol:.
     
    When I first heard about it I didn't quite vibe with Ironwood's "Mettle" Semblance, but thinking on it some more it actually sounds like it could be extremely useful and it's potentially a lot more than just a personality trait:




    Remember in gen:LOCK when Cammie took advantage of the digital nature of Mindframes to basically "hack" her own personality? Doing stuff like boosting confidence and aggression to turn herself from a nervous wreck afraid of her own shadow to an asskicking berserker?

    Granted it backfired badly because she went way overboard with it. But Ironwood's Semblance is basically the ability to do that and potentially so much more.

    Imagine chibi-James going to Atlas Academy learning to be a Huntsman.
    Suppose chibi-James has problems with history class the same way Jaune did.
    Or maybe "stealth" class or weapon design isn't something he's talented at and he's struggling with learning the material.
    Or maybe he had a boorish teacher like Professor Port whose ramblings bore students to sleep.

    Where a normal student in his situation might find themselves struggling to pay attention, or find themselves getting easily distracted, or struggles to engage with any material that isn't within their own spheres of interest Ironwood should be able to just say "no, I am going to work on history/stealth/listen to and take concise notes of this boring lecture" and then ramp up his Semblance to whatever intensity is required for him to become the perfect student that his focusing 100% on what he needs to learn without becoming distracted by anything irrelevant.

    Then when class is over and he needs to focus on other stuff he can just ramp his Semblance down and go back to being a normal person, and then ramp it up again when there's a new subject that he needs to focus on.


    Have you ever made aNew Year's resolution that you completely failed to keep?
    Or struggled to keep a promise you made to yourself about going to the gym every other day and eat healthily?
    Decided to learn a new language with Duolingo and did really well for a while but then fell off the track and eventually just kind of quietly dropped it?

    If Ironwood ever struggled with stuff like that he could just deploy Mettle to ensure that he never strays from the goals he sets for himself, no matter how little motivation he has or how many distractions there might be.


    Need to hold a big speech in front of a live audience but you struggle with stage fright and don't have much talent for holding speeches?
    Well with a handy dandy Mettle Semblance you can hyperfocus to ensure that you make the best speech you could possibly make, not letting any of your fears or other distractions affect your ability to perform at your peak (notice how Ironwood's public speeches are a lot better than the ones he gives in private?)


    Got any injuries, PTSD or plain old overthinking that's distracting you when you need to make a difficult shot with your pistol?
    A little dash of Mettle and you can concentrate completely on your aim while letting nothing distract you from making the perfect shot.



    And so on and so forth. Mettle isn't a big flashy special ability, but much like his pistols it's potentially quite practical and utilitarian.

    It has some uses in direct combat but while it's certainly underpowered there compared to other Semblances it seems like it could be extremely useful for basically everything one does in daily life (which in turn can help train you up so that you have maxed your knowledge, skill and fitness for when you do enter combat).

    Though like with Cammie's attempts to mod herself there is danger with going down such a route as well. Danger that I think we've seen quite aptly with Ironwood in the show.
     
    so back to my earlier Ruby prediction I just had a thought.
    the other characters (WBY and JNPR) have fallen to the same mistakes others have made, right?
    retreat in fear and defeat, give into rage, break down in communications with others, and tried to fight off the big enemy on their own, and each has been able to overcome those faults or are probably gonna work on it soon.
    and yet....I don't think Ruby herself has willingly fallen to any of those yet.
    Weiss, Blake, and Yang left the fight after the Fall for one reason or another, but each had at least one person supporting them and looking after them and eventually got back in it.
    Jaune and Ren have both given into their rage and it nearly cost them not only their lives but the lives of others. Thankfully they survived both and took a moment.
    Nora and Ren currently need to work on their communication skills.
    And Pyrrha took responsibility on her shoulders alone, and got burned for it.
    Ruby has yet to fully face this kind of trial herself, but I do feel we are getting there.
     
    Pugman said:
    so back to my earlier Ruby prediction I just had a thought.
    the other characters (WBY and JNPR) have fallen to the same mistakes others have made, right?
    retreat in fear and defeat, give into rage, break down in communications with others, and tried to fight off the big enemy on their own, and each has been able to overcome those faults or are probably gonna work on it soon.
    and yet....I don't think Ruby herself has willingly fallen to any of those yet.
    Weiss, Blake, and Yang left the fight after the Fall for one reason or another, but each had at least one person supporting them and looking after them and eventually got back in it.
    Jaune and Ren have both given into their rage and it nearly cost them not only their lives but the lives of others. Thankfully they survived both and took a moment.
    Nora and Ren currently need to work on their communication skills.
    And Pyrrha took responsibility on her shoulders alone, and got burned for it.
    Ruby has yet to fully face this kind of trial herself, but I do feel we are getting there.
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    The writers have said that Ruby's coping mechanism is to bottle up everything to keep her outward optimism and be the leader her team needs. The problem with that kind of mentality of course being that sooner or latter you reach a breaking point, and I think that Ruby's crying to Salem's implication that she killed Summer was the first cracks in the bottle. If Volume 8 doesn't end on a positive note, or ends bittersweet (Atlas and Mantle are saved but a shitton of people died and Salem got the relic), that could be the breaking point that'll start Ruby's personal character arc.
     
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