RWBY Thread III: Time To Say Goodbye

Stop: So gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
so gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
We get a lot of reports from this thread. A lot of it is just a series of people yelling at each other over arguments that have been rehashed hundreds of times since the end of the recent Volume. And I get that the last Volume - and RWBY in general, really - has some controversial moments that people will want to discuss, argue about, debate, etc.

That's fine. We're not going to stop people from doing that, because that's literally what the point of the thread is. However, there's just a point where it gets to be a bit too much, and arguments about whether or not Ironwood was morally justified in his actions in the recent Volume, or if RWBY and her team were in the right for withholding information from Ironwood out of distrust, or whatever flavor of argument of the day descend into insulting other posters, expressing a demeaning attitude towards other's opinions, and just being overall unpleasant. That tends to happen a lot in this thread. We want it to stop happening in this thread.

So! As of now the thread is in a higher state of moderation. What that means is that any future infractions will result in a weeklong boot from the thread, and repeated offenders will likely be permanently removed. So please, everyone endeavor to actually respect the other's arguments, and even if you strongly disagree with them please stay civil and mindful when it comes to responding to others.

In addition, users should refrain from talking about off-site users in the thread. Bear in mind that this does not mean that you cannot continue to post tumblr posts, for example, that add onto the discussion in the thread, with the caveat that it's related to RWBY of course. But any objections to offsite users in the thread should be handled via PM, or they'll be treated as thread violations and infracted as such.
 
Last edited:
Yeah, I don't give a shit what your thoughts on gun control are, when someone - even as a joke - says they want someone's house to be broken into to "prove" their argument about it and then try to pull an "I told you so" immediately once it actually happens, while the victims of a crime are in shock after having the sanctity of their homes violated and their lives threatened by a crazy person? That's a person who needs to shut the fuck up and get the fuck out.
 
Jesus fuck, how was he not canned sooner?
He was put on probation IIRC. That's why he's never been on any videos or podcasts in years. Frankly given that he's also a far-right racist conspiracy theorist I wouldn't be shocked if this was due to him saying something racist about the protests or claiming it's all a false flag. I was more shocked he hadn't quit a long time ago given that his politics are the polar opposite of everyone else in the company, and unlike a lot of their employees he's an actual actor who could easily get jobs outside the company. Granted he's not the next leading man, but I imagine even a bit part on a cop show would pay more than what he got at RT.
 
I don't think that this means Oobleck is gone forever though. They can replace his VA. Just because one is gone doesn't mean the character will be. It's highly likely we'll return to Vale and Beacon at some point so we're likely to see Oobleck and Glynda again. Glynda is headmistress now after all.
 
If you can't trust your citizens with guns, then you don't trust your citizens AT ALL.

Anyone can start a fire, or commit vehicular homicide. Look what happened when a crowd became a mob. They had no problem breaking public property, finding ways to start fires, and improvising weapons. Humans are clever and resourceful.

If a politician is afraid that ordinary, law-abiding citizens are going to become violent, I have to question why that politician's policies are so unpopular.

And if ordinary, law-abiding citizens are denied weapons, then the only civilians who have them are the lawbreakers, like Junior's thugs. The police and Huntsmen are not omnipresent; they can respond to crimes after they happen, but cannot prevent all assaults or robberies.
Hmmmmmmmmm.........

No. It turns out, if you don't trust your citizens with guns, in the real world murders go down (see Australia). Fires and vehicles are harder to kill with than things completely designed around killing, and the key word in you second bit is "mob" ie lots of people, not one person being able to kill dozens in minutes. The arguments about "if ordinary people are denied weapons, criminals will keep them so gangs will rule the streets" is bunk in RL, and should be bunk in Remnant even moreso where any random civilian said 'thugs' try to mug could actually be a bulletproof superhuman. Similarly bunk is "a gun control policy would only be enacted by politicians who are unpopular and fear 'ordinary citizens'".

With Remnant, it'd be different in outlying settlements where everyone has to be able to defend themselves but in actual cities that have stood for more than a couple years, you should be relying on functioning walls (Ironwoooooood) and competent guards over giving everyone in said city guns, given how relying on panicking, untrained civilians as any real line of defense against the Grimm seems an effort doomed to failure from the beginning. This is unless Remnant psychology is different from RL humans due to how they've been brought up with an actually-omnipresent enemy that forces them to band together more than us, which is eeeeeeeehhh given what we've seen of Remnant society.
 
Last edited:
In order to avoid this turning into a gun control debate the big issue with RWBY being arrested for unlawful use of firearms is that as Qrow himself points out he is a licensed Huntsman and they're his students. They're actually legal permited and even required to have weapons and to use them to fight the Grimm.
 
I wouldn't be shocked if this was due to him saying something racist about the protests or claiming it's all a false flag.
He has been retweeting stuff that dismiss the protests, so possibly the latter.

To give an example:
  • A guy gives protesters his support, the protesters proceed to break his windows even after he screams "WE'RE ON YOUR SIDE!"
  • Cars with smashed in windows.
  • A police officer getting run over.
  • A guy pulling an AR-15 on the protesters.
  • A reporter getting hit with fireworks
  • and, the one that affected me the most, a woman crying over her sister being killed by protesters.
So... yeah, polar opposite of where RT stands.
 
He has been retweeting stuff that dismiss the protests, so possibly the latter.

To give an example:
  • A guy gives protesters his support, the protesters proceed to break his windows even after he screams "WE'RE ON YOUR SIDE!"
  • Cars with smashed in windows.
  • A police officer getting run over.
  • A guy pulling an AR-15 on the protesters.
  • A reporter getting hit with fireworks
  • and, the one that affected me the most, a woman crying over her sister being killed by protesters.
So... yeah, polar opposite of where RT stands.
I wonder if he's seen the videos of the cops shooting protesters on their knees, gassing crowds of people just standing there, or the President having his goons beat a bunch of protesters away from their position just so he can get a shitty photo-op?
 
I wonder if he's seen the videos of the cops shooting protesters on their knees, gassing crowds of people just standing there, or the President having his goons beat a bunch of protesters away from their position just so he can get a shitty photo-op?
At this point, I don't think those will be enough to convince him to change his mind. And I think we're veering off topic.
 
Last edited:
wonder how long it takes before someone tries to spin this into more anti-crwby stuff >.>

aaaaaaanyway back to RWBY.
With the next book planned to come out within the next month or two, do we think any of the new characters from the last book will be in this one? Or will they just be mentioned cameos?
 
With the next book planned to come out within the next month or two, do we think any of the new characters from the last book will be in this one? Or will they just be mentioned cameos?
Allegedly, each member of Team SSSN is going to get their own chapter, and Carmine is going to get a cameo.

The Summer Maiden made an appearance in an early draft of the first book, so she might make an appearance in this second one.

It's possible that Team ABRN could make an appearance, if they decided to head west like Team SSSN.

Team BRNZ is still missing in action, presumed dead, but they might surprise us.

Team NDGO may never be mentioned again, since they're someone else's characters? If not, I wonder if Dew Gayl (allegedly based on Dorothy Gale, of The Wizard of Oz) might not be a daughter or niece of Headmaster Theodore.


I'm wondering if Headmaster Theodore is a kick-based dance-fighter like Mercury. If he's really inspired by Dorothy, his weapons might be ruby-colored ass-kicking shoes.
 
In order to avoid this turning into a gun control debate the big issue with RWBY being arrested for unlawful use of firearms is that as Qrow himself points out he is a licensed Huntsman and they're his students. They're actually legal permited and even required to have weapons and to use them to fight the Grimm.
Considering how they immediately took them to see Ironwood, it might be implied that they used that as an excuse. The reason they didn't outright say it? Same reason why Sun Wukong thought of following Blake with a robe.
 
Considering how they immediately took them to see Ironwood, it might be implied that they used that as an excuse. The reason they didn't outright say it? Same reason why Sun Wukong thought of following Blake with a robe.
Given Elm said she didn't know who they were and that they'd have reacted differently and Ironwood clearly didn't expect them I find that unlikely.

More likely to me is that Atlas academy is one of the better places to detail Aura users.

I'm not touching that robe thing save that it only served to freak her out.
 
more like the ace-ops did not know who they were until they called it in to Ironwood.

I can see it going like this.

Clover - "We've apprehended 9 armed individuals. Might be connected to the ship that came in. 8 youths and one gruff older man who says he is a licensed huntsmen."

Ironwood - *on the other end of the call, rubbing his temples* "Is said older man wearing a red cape, and one of said youths also wearing a red hood-ed cape?"

Clover - "Yes on both, sir."

Ironwood - *groans* "Bring them to me. It's Qrow Branwen and students from Beacon."
 
The thing that annoyed me the most about Sun's behavior in that episode was stepping on Blake's head as part of making his big dramatic entrance.
Oh yeah that irked me a ton as well.
How much ya wanna bet he usually does that to his team, so he didn't think anything of it?
That doesn't really address the underling problem with it, though given we've only seen him do it with Blake despite there being a team fight I don't think we have much evidence.

Oh also that Atlas and emotions post got expanded, I don't really agree with their spin on Winter, but otherwise like it.
 
How much ya wanna bet he usually does that to his team, so he didn't think anything of it?
If he would do it to Blake, he would certainly do it to his own teammates.

But just because he would do it to his teammates, doesn't mean he should, let alone do it to anyone else.

It's one of Sun's flaws.


I'd love if the Happy Huntresses observe to Team RWBY that, in some ways, Atlas (or at least its military) still hasn't shaken some of the ideas of the so-called "Colorless Doctrine".

But as for Winter, I think it has more to do with her Flee response to her childhood abuse.
 
What part about winter is the one you don't agree with, just for the sake my understanding.
Mostly the anger/violence stuff, or at least, I tend to feel those particular posters take it too far and or read too much into it, maybe I'm wrong or hypocritical for that but not sure.

I'd love if the Happy Huntresses observe to Team RWBY that, in some ways, Atlas (or at least its military) still hasn't shaken some of the ideas of the so-called "Colorless Doctrine".

But as for Winter, I think it has more to do with her Flee response to her childhood abuse.
Wouldn't surprise me, they are quite militant in manner when on the job, not in a bad way just very soldier like.

Agreed.
 
Mostly the anger/violence stuff, or at least, I tend to feel those particular posters take it too far and or read too much into it, maybe I'm wrong or hypocritical for that but not sure.


Wouldn't surprise me, they are quite militant in manner when on the job, not in a bad way just very soldier like.

Agreed.

Well I'd say Winter's temper is in part to her never having a "healthy" living environment.
Jac was a shit dad, Willow was no help, so she left and joined the Military, so to pay back Ironwood for in a way "saving" her from a horrible home and giving her a purpose to work for she follows his orders.
Meanwhile on the other side we have Weiss, who had a similar if nor worse childhood than Winter, but when she got away she ended up at Beacon with Ruby and the others. They, Ruby especially, gave her friendship, compassion, care, and let her be herself. Not just a Schnee, not a soldier, but just Weiss, the stern yet kind huntress who will not let anyone hold her down.
We saw how snappy Weiss was at the start, but the environment in Beacon and with her team gave her the space take a breath, step back, and reassess things. Winter, between home and military does not seem to have had that same freedom and downtime.
So basically Winter has had things bottled up for around 20 years, and I speak from experience that the more you bottle things up and try and push it all down, the harder it will be to keep it all down, and eventually things will break.
 
The thing with Sun is that we see over and over he doesn't really notice or respect boundaries much. He just doesn't really seem to think anything's wrong with getting right up in someone's face, or making lots of physical contact, or prying into his friends' business.

It's really the big thing that makes Sun as a character come off as simultaneously roguish (committing petty crimes like stealing an apple or hitching a ride on a ship without a thought) and somewhat naive ("I do it all the time." "You do what!?" "I climb trees all the time!"), and it also plays into his ride-or-die attitude when it comes to friends ("You should always get friends involved").

Usually, that's just part of his charm. But a lack of respect for boundaries in the particular context of relationships between men and women? Let's just say that while I don't agree that Sun is an example of the particular kind of behavior some have accused him of, because it's always made clear Sun is doing these things intending to be a helpful friend, he's just... really dumb and thoughtless about it sometimes.
 
...Usually, that's just part of his charm. But a lack of respect for boundaries in the particular context of relationships between men and women? Let's just say that while I don't agree that Sun is an example of the particular kind of behavior some have accused him of, because it's always made clear Sun is doing these things intending to be a helpful friend, he's just... really dumb and thoughtless about it sometimes.
Thoughtless is a good descriptor of Sun. His heart's generally in the right place but he'll just do things without thinking it through.
 
Well Sun IS based off of the Monkey King, a character who is as infamous as he is famous. One of his defining traits, especially before Buddha pinned him with a mountain, is that he really did not give 2 shits about the opinions of others or the consequences of his actions. Bout the only things he cared for were his fellow monkeys and whatever happened to tickle his fancy at the time.
 
Back
Top