RWBY Thread III: Time To Say Goodbye

[kokuenDG]

so gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
We get a lot of reports from this thread. A lot of it is just a series of people yelling at each other over arguments that have been rehashed hundreds of times since the end of the recent Volume. And I get that the last Volume - and RWBY in general, really - has some controversial moments that people will want to discuss, argue about, debate, etc.

That's fine. We're not going to stop people from doing that, because that's literally what the point of the thread is. However, there's just a point where it gets to be a bit too much, and arguments about whether or not Ironwood was morally justified in his actions in the recent Volume, or if RWBY and her team were in the right for withholding information from Ironwood out of distrust, or whatever flavor of argument of the day descend into insulting other posters, expressing a demeaning attitude towards other's opinions, and just being overall unpleasant. That tends to happen a lot in this thread. We want it to stop happening in this thread.

So! As of now the thread is in a higher state of moderation. What that means is that any future infractions will result in a weeklong boot from the thread, and repeated offenders will likely be permanently removed. So please, everyone endeavor to actually respect the other's arguments, and even if you strongly disagree with them please stay civil and mindful when it comes to responding to others.

In addition, users should refrain from talking about off-site users in the thread. Bear in mind that this does not mean that you cannot continue to post tumblr posts, for example, that add onto the discussion in the thread, with the caveat that it's related to RWBY of course. But any objections to offsite users in the thread should be handled via PM, or they'll be treated as thread violations and infracted as such.

 

[thesevenwielder]

I mean, specifically mentioning her eye color as practically their first interaction, and no one else's eyes ever being relevant, is something. It's incredibly weak foreshadowing, but it's still something.

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You mentioned Harry Potter. How accurate. Because one of the first things Hagrid said to Harry was 'You have your mother's eyes." And that has been repeated several times, with people remarking how he has his mother's eyes.

How it is important to the plot? Fuck all, it's just a genetic trait, bright green eyes that stand out that remind people of his mother. Considering when we get a glimpse of Summer in v3 she looks like an older Ruby with a while cloak, I thought that was all it would amount to.

In fact that is precisely what it was meant to amount to. Something to tie her to her mother. Kerry explicitly said this in the volume 3 AfterBuzz interview. That Miles decided to change it into a superpower at the last minute as a deus ex machina

 

[devilkingx2]

Let's break that down:

• Dismemberment and bloodshed are shown in RWBY.
• While not a huge issue, there is the fact that the characters wear outfits that do show skin, even in the cold of winter.
• "YOU BITCH!" "THAT BASTARD!", need I say more?
• They're currently having a crisis of faith and believing they're in an endless war against a foe they can't beat and that the only hope they have aside from just giving up is to just delay the inevitable by just one day or, according to theorists, call down the not-omniscient Gods down to "pass Judgement" and pray they're not as much of assholes as they are back then.
• Racism, as you said, but also PTSD, the brink of war, and having doubts about your superiors are just a few examples.
• Eeeeeh, some what? They have something to say about Racism ("don't let others speak for you"), but as pointed out a couple of pages ago, the alternative that's implied by the talker's father is kind of child unfriendly. And then there's "do things that others think are impossible... until next Volume confirms that, yes, this is impossible, then just give up and possibly abuse a child".

So... yeah. They have had adult moments in RWBY.

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I don't mean to make the claim or try and defend the point that RWBY has no adult moments at all and I definitely do acknowledge pretty much everything on the list...

However that's spread across 6 seasons. There's only a few adult moments or elements per season let alone per episode. So it's still 65-90% kids/family/all ages show. Rather than being particularly adult or mature.

Oh, and while we're at it, The Lost Fable is pretty adult if you think about the Problem of Evil (the theological debate of "if there's a God, how come he lets evil things happen?") and how the Gods played into that.

"We're not just doing nothing about evil, we've created evil. Have fun, Remnant!"

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I would only count this if they had ever legitimately brought up theology in the show. Like if jaune had asked if the gods are real why don't they do something about salem and the grimm.

 

[devilkingx2]

One of the showcs biggest mistakes is the Grimm slaying Silver Eye wings Ruby got at the end of the third season. Not only is it a deus ex machina that makes the season end on a complete anticlimax and gives the main character a secret superpower just because, it opens up all sorts of plot holes on why she never used it for two entire seasons afterwards, and it completely trivializes any sort of combat with the Grimm. The trigger for the power itself, finally revealed two or three episodes ago is apparently love. Yep, this show sinks to the level of love as a superpower. Which begs the question of why they never activated when all her other friends were at risk of dying from the Grimm earlier. I guess she didn't love them enough.

But you know, for as many potholes as this opens, at least it's was still a somewhat reasonable trigger. You have to see your loved ones in danger before you can activate it. But nope, it was just revealed that Ruby will learn to activate it whenever, further trivializing the Grimm. And just after the show made a valiant effort to make the Grimm actually threatening, when for nearly the entire show's run they've been a joke.

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The main problem with silver eyes is what silver eyes actually do. It's just a flash of light that oneshots your opponent with no costs or drawbacks and is only useful against one specific type of opponent

They did everything they could to make it boring.

How can you screw up eye powers in a post-naruto world?

Setting aside the silver eyes which didn't come out of nowhere as the eye color was specifically mentioned and had attention called to it at the very beginning of the show by what we know know is the setting's gods chewtoy so its not out of nowhere or that sort of eye color has a long history of meaning in fiction and myth going back thousands of years I am not sure what exactly is the point bringing up that Chekhov's gun and labeling it a deus ex machina yet again?

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Being mentioned once by one person without any importance ages before it does anything is the definition of coming out of nowhere dude.

If they wanted it to seem foreshadowed they should've assigned importance to it and had every character who is in the know (Qrow, Glynda, Ironwood, Cinder) comment on it

and Adam is definitely at least 4-5 years older than Blake

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If you told me adam was 19 I would believe it.

 

[thesevenwielder]

It would be nice for jaune to actually face consequences for his actions. I mean, here he screams and flings a 14 year old boy into a wall, and everyone is just okay with it. And we can't forget the last volume where he broke rank and ran screaming to fight Cinder and nearly got Weiss killed, and was rewarded for that with a shiny new semblance. Can't forget that in volume 4 when Ruby was about to be murdered by Tyrian he meekly looked away instead of at least shouting in defiance.

Jaune: *keeps angrily lashing out and ruining things for everyone*
Jaune Stans: "Oh but look how sad he is and how his anger is totally justified we can't blame him for that."

Yang: *leaps in to save Blake because she is literally about to be murdered by the guy ahead of her and there are no possible alternatives, gets her arm taken off*
Same fans: "oh she totally had it coming, such temper tantrum, she totally should have been a emotionless logic bot and come up with some impossible solution out of her ass"

Speaking of Yang, I thought the whole deal with her half-assed development volumes 4 and 5 were to have her resolve any anger issues. But now she's bitter all the time just because?

 

[Psyga315]

How can you screw up eye powers in a post-naruto world?

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Well first you make an offhand mention of the color of eyes, then suddenly give it powers two years later to conveniently depower a recently over powered supervillain, then barely mention it for two more years, then have someone invented just to explain

"It's a flashlight that only activates in the presence of Grimm* and when you love someone very very much".

* = At least that explains why it didn't go off when Penny died.

 

[WhoAmEye]

Speaking of Yang, I thought the whole deal with her half-assed development volumes 4 and 5 were to have her resolve any anger issues. But now she's bitter all the time just because?

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We've been over this. Jinn happened and Jaune actually put it pretty bluntly: new information came in that has basically made the fall of beacon and everything leading up to/after it, all of their efforts... are pretty much for nothing.

 

[thesevenwielder]

And you are saying that justifies Jaune slamming an untrained kid much younger and smaller than him into the wall and screaming at him, causing the aforementioned kid to run off in fear.

Okay.

 

[VolantRedX]

And you are saying that justifies Jaune slamming an untrained kid much younger and smaller than him into the wall and screaming at him, causing the aforementioned kid to run off in fear.

Okay.

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No, but Oscar does house the soul of Ozpin. It's not like he's just some rando that the cast is kicking the shit out of. Maybe some of the cast's anger is justified, even if their target isn't.

 

[thesevenwielder]

No, but Oscar does house the soul of Ozpin. It's not like he's just some rando that the cast is kicking the shit out of. Maybe some of the cast's anger is justified, even if their target isn't.

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And yet the girls have the self-restraint to not attack Oscar, and even Yang who apparently has anger as her character flaw limits herself to calling him out, and then only when Ozpin is obviously in control.

But keep stanning Jaune and Qrow, I'm sure it is working out wonderfully for you.

 

[VolantRedX]

And yet the girls have the self-restraint to not attack Oscar, and even Yang who apparently has anger as her character flaw limits herself to calling him out, and then only when Ozpin is obviously in control.

But keep stanning Jaune and Qrow, I'm sure it is working out wonderfully for you.

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Except several things, for one Yang is the one who yells at Oscar to bring Ozpin back while Qrow literally stops being confrontational the second Ozpin ceded control. Secondly I said outright that it wasn't ok for Jaune to attack Oscar but It's not like Oscar is some random kid who they're attacking at random.

 

[Psyga315]

And you are saying that justifies Jaune slamming an untrained kid much younger and smaller than him into the wall and screaming at him, causing the aforementioned kid to run off in fear.

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To be fair, Yang was also screaming at him and Qrow decked him in the face.

The thing is, they all had reasons to do so.

Qrow punched him in the face because he thought Ozpin had a solid plan to beating Salem when it's revealed he barely has twelve percent of a plan.

Yang screamed at him because this ended up justifying Raven's "tHeRe iS nO bEaTiNg SaLeM!" edgelordness.

And Jaune's pretty obvious because Pyrrha's sacrifice and even mental torture was for naught.

Everyone else has their grievances, but it wasn't directly tied to Ozpin (except for maybe Ruby if Ozpin led Summer to her death).

I do agree with that weird-ass double standard that only the men are hurting Oscar while the girls just resort to yelling at him and I do agree that what they did was excessive, traumatic force and that it's gonna take a lot of ass kissing to get him back on their side (or, given how easy Blake rejoined RW_Y, just a simple song and group hug), but they're not without reason.

If Yang did more than yell at Ozpin, then we'd be discussing her contributions, but since Jaune and Qrow did the most damage to Oscar's psyche, they're the ones on trial.

 

[Zam]

Except several things, for one Yang is the one who yells at Oscar to bring Ozpin back while Qrow literally stops being confrontational the second Ozpin ceded control. Secondly I said outright that it wasn't ok for Jaune to attack Oscar but It's not like Oscar is some random kid who they're attacking at random.

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Pretty sure Yang called Ozpin a bastard and backed off once Oscar revealed Ozpin had locked himself up, meanwhile Qrow shot down Ruby's attempt at comforting Oscar and basically said yes, you are just going to be his skin suit" ad he also, you know, punched Oscar's body cos he was pissed at Ozpin. and given Oscar's reaction I'm pretty sure he felt that or at least the repercussion of it and he certainly saw the only full adult in the group lose his shit and punch him in the face. Meanwhile Jaune outright punches walls and slams Oscar up against walls while he's cringing in fear.

Like, treating these as equivalent to Yang feels incredibly unfair to me, especially when she was one of the ones who called out when Jaune was attacking Oscar, she at least distinguishes between Oscar and Ozpin and hasn't ever gotten physical while they have, so it seems unfair to act like she's on the same playing field as them.

Also I don't think anyone is suggesting you suggested it was OK for Jaune and Qrow to beat up on Oscar, so I don't get the continued insistence on him being Ozpin's host.

 

[Carrnage]

And you are saying that justifies Jaune slamming an untrained kid much younger and smaller than him into the wall and screaming at him, causing the aforementioned kid to run off in fear.

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He's talking about Yang.

 

[thesevenwielder]

If Yang did more than yell at Ozpin, then we'd be discussing her contributions, but since Jaune and Qrow did the most damage to Oscar's psyche, they're the ones on trial.

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Um... Yes? If she did more than yell then I would be calling her out. But she didn't. That is the whole point. She is capable of distinguishing the two and has limited herself to yelling at Oz.

He's talking about Yang.

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But Yang was angry and bitter before episode 3.

Also I don't think anyone is suggesting you suggested it was OK for Jaune and Qrow to beat up on Oscar, so I don't get the continued insistence on him being Ozpin's host.

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Well Volant's defending jaune and Qrow beating up Oscar so ???

 

[devilkingx2]

It would be nice for jaune to actually face consequences for his actions. I mean, here he screams and flings a 14 year old boy into a wall, and everyone is just okay with it. And we can't forget the last volume where he broke rank and ran screaming to fight Cinder and nearly got Weiss killed, and was rewarded for that with a shiny new semblance. Can't forget that in volume 4 when Ruby was about to be murdered by Tyrian he meekly looked away instead of at least shouting in defiance.

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1. What do you think Oscar running away is if not a consequence?
2. If both Ruby and Yang told him to stop and calm down, how does that translate to "everyone is okay with it?"
3. Being publically humiliated by the person who murdered your girlfriend then accidentally provoking them into trying to kill more of your friends isn't a consequence?
4. That Tyrian stuff is the definition of reaching because you hate Jaune. Amazing that you have nothing to say about Ruby interfering for no reason and getting Qrow stabbed though lol.

Speaking of Yang, I thought the whole deal with her half-assed development volumes 4 and 5 were to have her resolve any anger issues. But now she's bitter all the time just because?

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I thought the point of that was that she's bitter because the trauma had a negative effect on her (like jaune), but what she learned was not to be a hothead who rushes in without thinking and not to fight like a tank or rely on her semblance.

And you are saying that justifies Jaune slamming an untrained kid much younger and smaller than him into the wall and screaming at him, causing the aforementioned kid to run off in fear.

Okay.

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An untrained kid? M&K said he's mercury/emerald level in the V5 commentary and his only on screen 1v1 was a stomp in his favor to the point that hazel felt the need to ask leo how a random kid is kicking his ass

 

[thesevenwielder]

1. What do you think Oscar running away is if not a consequence?
2. If both Ruby and Yang told him to stop and calm down, how does that translate to "everyone is okay with it?"
3. Being publically humiliated by the person who murdered your girlfriend then accidentally provoking them into trying to kill more of your friends isn't a consequence?
4. That Tyrian stuff is the definition of reaching because you hate Jaune. Amazing that you have nothing to say about Ruby interfering for no reason and getting Qrow stabbed though lol.

I thought the point of that was that she's bitter because the trauma had a negative effect on her (like jaune), but what she learned was not to be a hothead who rushes in without thinking and not to fight like a tank or rely on her semblance.

An untrained kid? M&K said he's mercury/emerald level in the V5 commentary and his only on screen 1v1 was a stomp in his favor to the point that hazel felt the need to ask leo how a random kid is kicking his ass

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1. Okay, and what consequences are there for Jaune? How is he negatively affected?
2. And once Oscar runs off, no one tells him he was out of line.
3. How is "unlocking your Semblance" a consequence? That's the whole point I am making. Jaune made everything worse and got rewarded for it.
4. I actually have called out Ruby in the past for rushing in and distracting Qrow. Which you would know if you actually paid any attention to my posts. But it is clear you have a hateboner for me. Or fail at reading comprehension. You choose. But even then she has a far better excuse than Jaune. She saw her beloved uncle come in from nowhere, and it looks like he is getting overwhelmed. Contrast this with Jaune rushing in and attacking Cinder even though he knows she's a Maiden and totally outclasses him and they actually had a game plan which Jaune then wrecked. As for hating Jaune... well yes, as a matter of fact I do hate Jaune. That does not mean what I am saying is incorrect in any fashion.
5. Those were problems? Yang rushed in without thinking... when Adam was literally about to murder her friend. She attacked without thinking... when an OCP caused her to hallucinate Mercury going for a cheap shot. Yang... doesn't rely on her Semblance? AFAIK she is probably the member of her team that uses her Semblance the least. She never goes out of her way to get hit for a power up. Yang doesn't fight like a tank either. If you break down every fight except the doubles round, she visibly bobs and weaves and works to get around her opponent. It doesn't always work, mostly because against Neo and Mercury she was outclassed, but that's not failure on her part, just her opponents being that much better than her.
6. Holy shit, call out DBZ for having bullshit power levels, a random farmer is a trained fighter on the level of two experienced assassins?

 

[Psyga315]

his only on screen 1v1 was a stomp in his favor

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That stomp, mind you, is a simple whack to the face when he was distracted by someone getting skewered.

If potshots like that count, then holy crap we'd have a lot of OP characters in the house.

 

[WhoAmEye]

And you are saying that justifies Jaune slamming an untrained kid much younger and smaller than him into the wall and screaming at him, causing the aforementioned kid to run off in fear.

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[thesevenwielder]

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The most recent episode. That is exactly what jaune does.


When you think about it, no wonder Yang was so comfortable waltzing into a bar during her trailer.

 

[Gears]

The most recent episode. That is exactly what jaune does.


When you think about it, no wonder Yang was so comfortable waltzing into a bar during her trailer.

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Except i recall ruby being more involved with qrow then yang, and didn't yang go to another academy or something before going to beacon?

Isn't this a bit of a stretch?

 

[Slater]

Its a huge stretch.

Everything we know about Qrow tells us that when they were young kids he was both teaching at Signal and working for Ozpin. There is no indication he took the reigns to raise them.

In fact the one thing we know for sure is that when Ruby was a little older he was the one who trained her to fight. And that mentorship lead to a child prodigy who inherited none of his personality defects. So what does that say about him?

Not that it matters, if you gotta go to a different website to pull bad arguments to try to validate your opinion then its probably not a very good one in the first place.

(Also fyi Miles was on rwbyrw and he talked about how happy he is that people are getting frustrated with Qrow, because he IS failing and falling to his worse impulses, but that's the point. Oh and the preview for episode 9 shows Jaune acknowledge that he was way in the wrong to blow up at Oscar like that)

Stretching that out into something more because you have a grudge against the character or whatever is weird, but not unusual sadly

 

[VolantRedX]

The most recent episode. That is exactly what jaune does.


When you think about it, no wonder Yang was so comfortable waltzing into a bar during her trailer.

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Beyond that didn't Yang say or at least imply that Tai was a total wreck after Summer died? Is it outright stated that he was even gone? He might just have been too depressed to stop them.

 

[Psyga315]

He might just have been too depressed to stop them.

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Or too busy at school watering flowers.

 

[WhoAmEye]

Speaking of Yang, I thought the whole deal with her half-assed development volumes 4 and 5 were to have her resolve any anger issues. But now she's bitter all the time just because?

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We've been over this. Jinn happened and Jaune actually put it pretty bluntly: new information came in that has basically made the fall of beacon and everything leading up to/after it, all of their efforts... are pretty much for nothing.

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And you are saying that justifies Jaune slamming an untrained kid much younger and smaller than him into the wall and screaming at him, causing the aforementioned kid to run off in fear.

Okay.

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The most recent episode. That is exactly what jaune does.

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Learn. To. Read.

And please point out exactly where I said that justifies Jaune slamming Oscar into the wall? Because I sure as fuck do not remember typing such.

 

[thesevenwielder]

Beyond that didn't Yang say or at least imply that Tai was a total wreck after Summer died? Is it outright stated that he was even gone? He might just have been too depressed to stop them.

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Yang said she 'waited until dad was gone." Probably to work, because you have to pay the bills somehow. And it's not much of a stretch to assume he would get a babysitter, specifically family to watch over them.

And please point out exactly where I said that justifies Jaune slamming Oscar into the wall? Because I sure as fuck do not remember typing such.

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You sure are getting awfully defensive and justifying Jaune's actions. So it certainly sounds like you are stanning him. How about manning the fuck up and saying "no, it doesn't matter how mad Jaune is, that's no justification for attacking Oscar." Because I haven't seen you or @VolantRedX stating that. Instead you jump to justification after justification. The reason I'm calling you stans? Because you are stanning.

Its a huge stretch.

Everything we know about Qrow tells us that when they were young kids he was both teaching at Signal and working for Ozpin. There is no indication he took the reigns to raise them.

In fact the one thing we know for sure is that when Ruby was a little older he was the one who trained her to fight. And that mentorship lead to a child prodigy who inherited none of his personality defects. So what does that say about him?

Not that it matters, if you gotta go to a different website to pull bad arguments to try to validate your opinion then its probably not a very good one in the first place.

(Also fyi Miles was on rwbyrw and he talked about how happy he is that people are getting frustrated with Qrow, because he IS failing and falling to his worse impulses, but that's the point. Oh and the preview for episode 9 shows Jaune acknowledge that he was way in the wrong to blow up at Oscar like that)

Stretching that out into something more because you have a grudge against the character or whatever is weird, but not unusual sadly

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Okay, here's the deal. Qrow's habits were played for laughs in the past three volumes. I am specifically talking about a Doylist view of things. He is presented to us the audience as charming, and his flaws are actually lauded. Not once does the narrative try to present him as in the wrong. And I repeat: it's hardly a stretch for a dad to ask a family member, such as an uncle, to watch over their kids while they're at work.

As for Ruby not growing up with Qrow's habits... well according to this show apparently some people are just born good and others are born evil. Ruby was born good so of course she wouldn't take Qrow's negative impulses to heart. Although if you think about it, her constant refusal to actually address the issues of the people around her, running off to fight the bad guys instead of actually take care of her family who is in need of support, inability to question authority, always rushing into fights without thought of consequence... all of those are similar character flaws to Qrow. She doesn't get drunk nor does she insult everyone at the drop of a hat, but there is more to Qrow's character than just those two things.