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RWBY Thread III: Time To Say Goodbye

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Stop: So gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
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    • so gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
    We get a lot of reports from this thread. A lot of it is just a series of people yelling at each other over arguments that have been rehashed hundreds of times since the end of the recent Volume. And I get that the last Volume - and RWBY in general, really - has some controversial moments that people will want to discuss, argue about, debate, etc.

    That's fine. We're not going to stop people from doing that, because that's literally what the point of the thread is. However, there's just a point where it gets to be a bit too much, and arguments about whether or not Ironwood was morally justified in his actions in the recent Volume, or if RWBY and her team were in the right for withholding information from Ironwood out of distrust, or whatever flavor of argument of the day descend into insulting other posters, expressing a demeaning attitude towards other's opinions, and just being overall unpleasant. That tends to happen a lot in this thread. We want it to stop happening in this thread.

    So! As of now the thread is in a higher state of moderation. What that means is that any future infractions will result in a weeklong boot from the thread, and repeated offenders will likely be permanently removed. So please, everyone endeavor to actually respect the other's arguments, and even if you strongly disagree with them please stay civil and mindful when it comes to responding to others.

    In addition, users should refrain from talking about off-site users in the thread. Bear in mind that this does not mean that you cannot continue to post tumblr posts, for example, that add onto the discussion in the thread, with the caveat that it's related to RWBY of course. But any objections to offsite users in the thread should be handled via PM, or they'll be treated as thread violations and infracted as such.
     
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    • thesevenwielder said:
    That would be a good justification if we actually heard it.
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    So you want the show to now tell you what it has been showing us for going on six years now? :p

    Actually the show did both of those things a lonnnngggg ass time ago.

    It was the whole point of this episode:

    That whole episode is all about Obleck riding the others for why there trying to become Hunters, they make a point to note and highlight that Ruby was never asked and both WBY and the episode spell out pretty clearly why.

    Thats not even getting into Ruby being the "Simple Soul", something highligted from Ozpin's very first words in the very first episode.

    But this goes back to what I keep saying about people not paying attention to what the actual show tells us.

    Sidebar: Its a shame "Breach" was such a flaccid finale, the Mount Glenn arc was a pretty solid 4 episode run failed by its finale episode.
     
    Psyga315 said:
    Or it did, but RT didn't want to pull a Penny and reveal the plot twist too early
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    Zam said:
    I feel like Qrow would have noticed if Raven suddenly doubled over in pain mid fight for no reason.
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    Silver eyes are never mentioned to affect maidens or magic or anything but grimm so it's pretty much guaranteed that the only reason it works on cinder is grimm parts

    (If it affects maidens it would hurt Oz too wouldn't it? He was in the same room)

    Slater said:
    Sidebar: Its a shame "Breach" was such a flaccid finale, the Mount Glenn arc was a pretty solid 4 episode run failed by its finale episode.
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    I loved the Breach, it's a great episode but it was too short and not dark enough.

    If the CRWBY was smarter it would've been much more dire and there would've been an epic struggle the heroes were losing as the city was being destroyed and many civilians dying, the adults were busy/ovewhelmed purely by numbers

    Then CFVY shows up and allieviates the pressure on the adults and cleans up the weaker grimm the "kids" are fighting
     
    devilkingx2 said:
    Silver eyes are never mentioned to affect maidens or magic or anything but grimm so it's pretty much guaranteed that the only reason it works on cinder is grimm parts

    (If it affects maidens it would hurt Oz too wouldn't it? He was in the same room)
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    Agreed.

    Slater said:
    Sidebar: Its a shame "Breach" was such a flaccid finale, the Mount Glenn arc was a pretty solid 4 episode run failed by its finale episode.
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    Is it weird that while I found a couple of fight section off in that (like the fire balls) I was never that bothered by the Breach?
     
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    devilkingx2 said:
    I loved the Breach, it's a great episode but it was too short and not dark enough.

    If the CRWBY was smarter it would've been much more dire and there would've been an epic struggle the heroes were losing as the city was being destroyed and many civilians dying, the adults were busy/ovewhelmed purely by numbers

    Then CFVY shows up and allieviates the pressure on the adults and cleans up the weaker grimm the "kids" are fighting
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    I think this would have been a bit much and would sort of take away from the impact of the Fall of Beacon which was basically already this idea played to the extreme. Honestly, I like the fight being what it was because, for one thing, it showed just how far team RWBY had to go to become real huntresses when compared to students just a year older than them. Up to that point, it seemed like they were already Grimm killing machines and it seemed odd that they'd even need more training. I wish the show did more with that. Also, it showed the heroes all working together to save the day, which is never a bad thing in my opinion.
     
    devilkingx2 said:
    I loved the Breach, it's a great episode but it was too short and not dark enough.

    If the CRWBY was smarter it would've been much more dire and there would've been an epic struggle the heroes were losing as the city was being destroyed and many civilians dying, the adults were busy/ovewhelmed purely by numbers

    Then CFVY shows up and allieviates the pressure on the adults and cleans up the weaker grimm the "kids" are fighting
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    I mean, part of the point of it was to raise paranoia for the big event- or at least that might not have been plan 'A' but that's how team Cinder rolled with it (plan A might've been doing it during the festival). It's not, story wise, supposed to be a huge blow, but it is something to show 'and that's just the appetizer.'
     
    Nah.

    Onto a different subject, when people are praising Cinder's VA for her range, I have to ask... are you actually watching the show? She sounds the same as she always does. Jessica Nigri is a shit VA. She can only do one tone, apparently. It's too bad they haven't recast her.
     
    Psyga315 said:
    It's kinda dark if you think about it.
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    It's exactly as dark as the story is willing to make it, just like superheroes are. You can make anything sound dark if you're willing to spend a few minutes moving words around.

    It also misses the obvious point that fighting Grimm was always going to be someone's job, and it wasn't until relatively recently that "robot army" was even beginning to seem like an actual option. If "trained professionals who willingly sign up for years of education meant to prepare them to do as good a job as possible so they can hopefully survive to retirement and are lionized as heroes for taking up this dangerous but vital task" is too dark an answer for you, then, pray tell, what's the alternative?
     
    thesevenwielder said:
    Onto a different subject, when people are praising Cinder's VA for her range, I have to ask... are you actually watching the show? She sounds the same as she always does. Jessica Nigri is a shit VA. She can only do one tone, apparently. It's too bad they haven't recast her.
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    I actually agree on this one. Like, Nigri has had several volumes to really get tonal inflection down and even just... like some pretty key fundamentals to voice acting, and she simply hasn't. Like you can feel that most of the VAs aren't very good, and in some cases I'd agree, but most of them have, I feel, on some level improved and you can tell that. Nigri sounds roughly the same as she does in Volume 1 and doesn't feel like she's learned much of anything.

    Like I honestly think replacing her would be a mistake this much into the story- she was a pretty prominent character early on and has been a recurring one since, it would just be too jarring. Once they started getting professional VAs in Volume 3, they really should have found somebody to swap her with that can actually voice act, but I guess at that point sunk cost fallacy was already setting in, and they just felt that if they didn't strictly need to, it'd be awkward to flip VAs on a somewhat prominent character.

    So here we are.
     
    thesevenwielder said:
    Nah.

    Onto a different subject, when people are praising Cinder's VA for her range, I have to ask... are you actually watching the show? She sounds the same as she always does. Jessica Nigri is a shit VA. She can only do one tone, apparently. It's too bad they haven't recast her.
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    I mean she hasn't exactly been called on to show any range. Compare her to Adam who isn't at the level of most middle school plays and yet has to show a bunch of emotions. They guy they have couldn't act wet in a thunderstorm and is expected to play a character who can go from stoic to insane with rage at the drop of a hat.
     
    Zam said:
    Is it weird I was never that bothered by either VA?
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    If so, we can be weird together. The worst it ever got for me was being mildly amused that Adam actually sounds like a try-hard edgelord doing an impression of what he thinks someone cool would sound like. And I never really understood the complaints about Jessica Nigri at all, honestly. She always seemed to get across what she was meant to IMO.
     
    Leingod said:
    If so, we can be weird together. The worst it ever got for me was being mildly amused that Adam actually sounds like a try-hard edgelord doing an impression of what he thinks someone cool would sound like. And I never really understood the complaints about Jessica Nigri at all, honestly. She always seemed to get across what she was meant to IMO.
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    Weirdo solidarity XD

    But yeah agreed on Cinder and Adam, I mean, heck, the second line of dialogue regarding him in the whole show, Black Tiler, was calling him out for being dramatic, so it fit to me.
     
    (Apparently) Controversial Opinion: Jessica Nigri is the VA who has notably improved the second most over the course of the series.*

    I know we're all determined to pretend that there was nothing good in RWBY Volume 5, but listen again to her shutdown of Jaune - or hell, even her first line in the Volume when Watts is being a dickhead to her. With her delivery she makes it clear she really does have no idea who Jaune is - and when she does recognise him her turn to mocking is quick and notable. Listen to Cinder's speech in Volume 3 - her furious delivery of 'nothing more than men'. She believes what she's saying, even if she's just saying it to get people angry with each other.

    Or hell, listen to her talk with Miss Malachite in episode 2 of this Volume. If that doesn't persuade you that Jessica Nigri is, at least, a good voice actress I don't know what you're looking for in the role.


    *Most is of course Kara, who in Volume 1 was literally unbearable and is easily now among the series' best.
     
    People criticize cinder's VA because they probably don't realize that she's supposed to be mostly monotone, it just doesn't work lol.

    I would imagine that if she was supposed to emote they would just tell her to do that on another take or something.

    The problem of course is that cinder comes off as fake when we never see her doing anything but her mustache twirling voice, your villain coming off as a method actor only works in a comedy. It would probably work if she had solo monologuing scenes where she acted different (like those scenes where roman is ordering the faunus around and he seems sour and grouchy rather than his usual jovial or when neo gets yeeted off the airship and he sounds pissed off for the rest of the fight)

    As for adam, i liked his voice just fine except in volume 5 where it starts to seem like he's a gag because he sounds like a whiny child while he's yelling at his men for no reason. I dunno why people want RT to waste a million dollars on AAA voice actors instead of not being so nitpicky about the voices tbh.
     
    Cinder does generally stick to the "I am evil and everything is going according to plan and my hubris is definitely not going to smack me in the face" voice, until either she's in a situation that's completely new to her (i.e. not knowing who Jaune was or why he was angry at her; Neo trying to kill her to avenge Torchwick) or things don't go the way she expected and her aforementioned hubris smacks her in the face. That's when the facade breaks and Nigri actually gets a chance to do something different, and she's honestly not bad at it.

    As someone who doesn't like Cinder generally, I haven't been as interested in her character as I am now, and Nigri being given more to work with is a big contributor to that.
     
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