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RWBY Thread III: Time To Say Goodbye

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Stop: So gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
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    • so gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
    We get a lot of reports from this thread. A lot of it is just a series of people yelling at each other over arguments that have been rehashed hundreds of times since the end of the recent Volume. And I get that the last Volume - and RWBY in general, really - has some controversial moments that people will want to discuss, argue about, debate, etc.

    That's fine. We're not going to stop people from doing that, because that's literally what the point of the thread is. However, there's just a point where it gets to be a bit too much, and arguments about whether or not Ironwood was morally justified in his actions in the recent Volume, or if RWBY and her team were in the right for withholding information from Ironwood out of distrust, or whatever flavor of argument of the day descend into insulting other posters, expressing a demeaning attitude towards other's opinions, and just being overall unpleasant. That tends to happen a lot in this thread. We want it to stop happening in this thread.

    So! As of now the thread is in a higher state of moderation. What that means is that any future infractions will result in a weeklong boot from the thread, and repeated offenders will likely be permanently removed. So please, everyone endeavor to actually respect the other's arguments, and even if you strongly disagree with them please stay civil and mindful when it comes to responding to others.

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    • Serval said:
    This is one the thing that makes me scratch my head. Does Cinder not fear Salem? Why does she think she can get away with deffying her orders (directly or indirectly)?
    Maybe she feels she's favored above the others and Salem will overlook things?
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    My guess is that since Neo can't talk she thinks she'll be able to foist all the consequences off on Neo with "I told her you wanted Ruby alive'.

    Note that they were talking in the Vault, the one place in Mistral that Salem shouldn't have eyes in. See; her not knowing exactly what happened in the Maiden Chamber at Beacon.
     
    Mahrac said:
    My guess is that since Neo can't talk she thinks she'll be able to foist all the consequences off on Neo with "I told her you wanted Ruby alive'.

    Note that they were talking in the Vault, the one place in Mistral that Salem shouldn't have eyes in. See; her not knowing exactly what happened in the Maiden Chamber at Beacon.
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    Problem is that it would require Cinder to lie to Salem. Salem is old enough to see thru her little lies.
     
    So the Cotta-Arcs have a kid... one that matches character design enough to be a natural child...

    So, the ultimate question. Which girl has the D?

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    Physics.
    So, the rubberbanding somehow brought the Nevermore down to her... but if she'd fallen onto the nevermore's wing at the same velocity, it would have given no fucks. Also, leaping at her, gets stone-ified, somehow cancles all momentum? Including downwards due to gravity?
    I get rule of cool is a thing but seriously. it should have either hit her due to momentum, or hit the ground before the glow wore off. Also what kind of bullshit is running the rubberband reaper sticks??? seriously. The kind of forces pulling on them when Maria tried the spiderman swing thing on the bird should have snapped it, at the very least - unless it's made of adimantium or something. it was cool, but...

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    Also, I agree with the comment made about the trailer and that incline.
    Yang: We're here!
    Ruby: But it's so far away?
    Yang: Don't look down, we'll get there a lot faster. *revs bumblebee*
    Ruby: What do you mean don't look dow-WAAAAAAHHHH!
     
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    Renewal said:
    On Maria getting ganked so "easily": well, her title is the Grimm Reaper. Silver-eyed Warriors are clearly most powerful against Grimm enemies, and that's likely what Maria trained and practiced for. There's no indication she would have been any more effective against human enemies than any other Huntress, and it's likely Tock (much like Tyrian, if Tock somehow wasn't working for Salem too) is experienced in hunting down Silver-eyed Warriors, and took care to prepare for Maria's fighting style.
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    That would make sense if we saw her defeat a gigantic horde of grimm or some epic badass grimm like a dragon or those V2 elephants

    But instead we see her struggle with a grimm defeated by 4 students in the beginning of V1 and then lose to 4 randoms.

    Would've made more sense for her to be duoed by tyrian and hazel tbh


    Or if they're introducing a new villain not affiliated with salem then to actually establish the characters as tough and impressive
     
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    In V4 Tyrian got super excited at the idea of hunting down Ruby and was visibly disappointing and surprised when Salem specified alive. Ruby is an exception to how they are used to dealing with SEW.

    Tock wasn't working for someone else, She was an older minion of Salems.

    This is like, excessively simple and easy to figure out.

    People like to make fun of Ren for being point blank with his exposition but he clearly needs to be because people manage to miss like, the most basic shit unless its blasted verbatim in there face.
     
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    So, a theory:
    I think Neo is gonna back-stab Cinder, it isn't 100% sure cos foreshadowing and guesswork can not be paid off due to writers choices but here is why I think it makes sense.

    1. We know Cinder intimidated Roman & Neo into her service based on how she treats Roman and his own lines about what he can't afford to lose.
    2. Despite Ruby having been the last one to see Roman alive as far as Neo knew, she decided to hunt down Cinder someone stronger, more well connected and harder to find than Ruby. Based on this I assume Neo has pretty strong views on why she feels Cinder is responsible for Roman's death over Ruby.
    3. Cinder is not being terribly subtle about how she is using Neo to skirt around Salem's 'orders' to capture rather than kill Ruby.
    4. Neo can probably guess that if Cinder has a boss and they want Ruby alive then killing Ruby is not liable to go down great regardless of whether or not she could have known to capture her or not.
    5. We know Neo can and will retreat from stronger opponents based on Raven so her deciding to back off and bide her time (Especially given her Semblance would be great for deception) makes pragmatic sense.

    So yeah, I think there is a good chance that Neo deems Cinder responsible or more responsible than she does Ruby and so has every intention of backstabbing her at some point.
     
    Slater said:
    In V4 Tyrian got super excited at the idea of hunting down Ruby and was visibly disappointing and surprised when Salem specified alive. Ruby is an exception to how they are used to dealing with SEW.

    Tock wasn't working for someone else, She was an older minion of Salems.

    This is like, excessively simple and easy to figure out.

    People like to make fun of Ren for being point blank with his exposition but he clearly needs to be because people manage to miss like, the most basic shit unless its blasted verbatim in there face.
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    Ironic that you think other people are missing the obvious when you somehow managed to miss

    *character explicitly says something*
    *the very next scene shows the exact opposite of that thing*

    In the latest episode

    Cinder saying that she's not allowed to kill Ruby is literally the preceding scene to "Tock" saying their master explicitly wants Maria dead for her silver eyes

    If they're denoting that salem used to do things differently, then obviously Cinder should've mentioned that they usually just get to kill them but this time it's different/ruby's special/whatever

    One could argue that hazel said "we've dealt with their kind before" but this is the same hazel that doesn't like unnecessary violence so I highly doubt he'd be down to hunt and murder silver eyed young women on the regular unless it really does have something to do with Ozpin
     
    devilkingx2 said:
    Ironic that you think other people are missing the obvious when you somehow managed to miss

    *character explicitly says something*
    *the very next scene shows the exact opposite of that thing*

    In the latest episode

    Cinder saying that she's not allowed to kill Ruby is literally the preceding scene to "Tock" saying their master explicitly wants Maria dead for her silver eyes

    If they're denoting that salem used to do things differently, then obviously Cinder should've mentioned that they usually just get to kill them but this time it's different/ruby's special/whatever

    One could argue that hazel said "we've dealt with their kind before" but this is the same hazel that doesn't like unnecessary violence so I highly doubt he'd be down to hunt and murder silver eyed young women on the regular unless it really does have something to do with Ozpin
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    Or Cinder is operating on the orders Tyrien was given. Or Salem has updated her order since then due to a change in priorities or because of Ruby specifically. Or Cinder is lying.

    Like, Maria was anywhere between 20 and 30 in that, and now she is quite old, why couldn't Salem's orders be changed?

    Heck, we also saw Cinder instruct Emerald not to kill Ruby if I recall in V5 didn't we?
     
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    devilkingx2 said:
    Ironic that you think other people are missing the obvious when you somehow managed to miss

    *character explicitly says something*
    *the very next scene shows the exact opposite of that thing*

    In the latest episode

    Cinder saying that she's not allowed to kill Ruby is literally the preceding scene to "Tock" saying their master explicitly wants Maria dead for her silver eyes

    If they're denoting that salem used to do things differently, then obviously Cinder should've mentioned that they usually just get to kill them but this time it's different/ruby's special/whatever

    One could argue that hazel said "we've dealt with their kind before" but this is the same hazel that doesn't like unnecessary violence so I highly doubt he'd be down to hunt and murder silver eyed young women on the regular unless it really does have something to do with Ozpin
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    Hazel was actively electrocuting a child in Nora as he yelled at Ozpin for getting children killed. He is literally shown to be a hypocrite, that's not even getting into still being willing to work with Adam after he murdered Sienna. He is not at all above murder of innocents or such. and getting rid of SEW's is not going to be seen as "unnecessary" violence at all by the people he is working with and his boss.

    But again, this is like the "They forgot the size of the relic" or some such bizarre take, something super simple being made into something way more complicated caused by an inability to just connect two dots without the show throwing it into our faces explicitly.

    Or forgetting what the show has already shown us. Again.
     
    My theory is that
    Salem needs her so that she may break her and convince her to join her side. That or she is cultivating someone so that she may learn how to accept death.
     
    So one of the animators explained the 60 seconds thing on twitter


    i was wondering what that was all about. For 60 seconds she's totally invulnerable but then she runs out of aura


    Slater said:
    But again, this is like the "They forgot the size of the relic" or some such bizarre take, something super simple being made into something way more complicated caused by an inability to just connect two dots without the show throwing it into our faces explicitly.
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    I dunno what You're getting at, I'm totally excited at the potential prospect of
    another major villain who isn't with Salem
     
    devilkingx2 said:
    I dunno what You're getting at, I'm totally excited at the potential prospect of
    another major villain who isn't with Salem
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    At this point in the story? With everything we've learned so far and where we are in the narrative, I feel like that's not a great idea. Too many cooks in the kitchen and whatnot.

    Anyway, I liked this episode, everyone needed a breather after the last one, and it's not just spent resting. We learn how Maria got blinded, find out who she is (legendary huntress who also inspired Qrow), we get to Argus earlier than I expected, and we get to meet Jaune's sister Saphron (Yes that's how it was spelled in the credits), her wife Terra Cotta, and their infant son (Wow, three characters named Arc and I actually like them, welp Jaune, it looks like your whole family isn't a write off, it's just you that I don't care for :V).

    Also we got very cute little character moments like Nora rushing in to hug "Cute Boy Oz" (who really does need it after the time he's been having), everyone else hugging, Jaune and Saphron exhibiting sibling behavior.

    Oh, I should note that aside from Jaune getting angry at Ozpin/Oscar, every event foreshadowed by the opening has happened. I dunno, I just thought it was just interesting.
     
    Nidhoggr said:
    At this point in the story? With everything we've learned so far and where we are in the narrative, I feel like that's not a great idea. Too many cooks in the kitchen and whatnot.

    Anyway, I liked this episode, everyone needed a breather after the last one, and it's not just spent resting. We learn how Maria got blinded, find out who she is (legendary huntress who also inspired Qrow), we get to Argus earlier than I expected, and we get to meet Jaune's sister Saphron (Yes that's how it was spelled in the credits), her wife Terra Cotta, and their infant son (Wow, three characters named Arc and I actually like them, welp Jaune, it looks like your whole family isn't a write off, it's just you that I don't care for :V).

    Also we got very cute little character moments like Nora rushing in to hug "Cute Boy Oz" (who really does need it after the time he's been having), everyone else hugging, Jaune and Saphron exhibiting sibling behavior.

    Oh, I should note that aside from Jaune getting angry at Ozpin/Oscar, every event foreshadowed by the opening has happened. I dunno, I just thought it was just interesting.
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    Naruto had two different factions of villains and one side had like 10 villains

    One piece had arcs where it was more than just one side vs another. Usually pirates fighting and a marine third party, or the whitebeard war where there were multiple competing factions of pirates AND the marines

    So RWBY having another villain would be a good thing imo, remember this show is supposed to have at least 10 volumes, absolutely nothing happening for 4 more volumes except formulaically traveling to each relic vault collecting them all then they get stolen by salem then they stop her in the 11th hour final battle? That does not sound like 4 years worth of story aside from the fact that there are 3 relics. Plus RWBY can defeat any of salem's minions individually now. This will be a very boring and dragged out story if they go that route
     
    devilkingx2 said:
    Naruto had two different factions of villains and one side had like 10 villains
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    Yeah, and it was a disappointing mess. Believe it. :V

    devilkingx2 said:
    One piece had arcs where it was more than just one side vs another. Usually pirates fighting and a marine third party, or the whitebeard war where there were multiple competing factions of pirates AND the marines
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    I haven't read One Piece past the early arcs and it's too damn long for me to even want to catch up so I can make a definitive statement on its quality.

    Look, RWBY isn't Burrito's Dad, or One Piece, and it really shouldn't have to be.

    Another major villain faction appearing out of nowhere contending with Salem's Lot (sidebar, they really should name their group this) would just be even more characters the writers have to focus on and juggle, which was always a weakpoint of the show. There are already too many characters, we don't need a whole new group that has to have their motivations and backstory explained while taking focus away from the plot that is finally getting interesting.

    Anyway, speculation time, Glynda's the Relic of Choice, boom, mic drop
     
    Nidhoggr said:
    Yeah, and it was a disappointing mess. Believe it. :V


    I haven't read One Piece past the early arcs and it's too damn long for me to even want to catch up so I can make a definitive statement on its quality.

    Look, RWBY isn't Burrito's Dad, or One Piece, and it really shouldn't have to be.

    Another major villain faction appearing out of nowhere contending with Salem's Lot (sidebar, they really should name their group this) would just be even more characters the writers have to focus on and juggle, which was always a weakpoint of the show. There are already too many characters, we don't need a whole new group that has to have their motivations and backstory explained while taking focus away from the plot that is finally getting interesting.

    Anyway, speculation time, Glynda's the Relic of Choice, boom, mic drop
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    Considering that they'd need to recast Glynda I don't see that happening.
     
    VolantRedX said:
    Considering that they'd need to recast Glynda I don't see that happening.
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    RT could easily recast Glynda, they easily recast Mercury between volumes 2 and 3 with Yuri Freaking Lowenthal, and the talent pool they've drawn from to voice their characters has only gotten wider as the company has grown. They have an established relationship with several funimation VA's and a few of their own people have done voice work for Funimation. That's basically a non-issue at this point.

    The relic is a crown, but unlike the other academies, Beacon's symbol, the crossed axes (and the laurel wreath, which could technically be considered a crown) isn't indicative of the relic it guards. And Ozpin himself said that the Relic Of Choice is much harder to find than the other ones last volume. The symbol on Glynda's cape is a crown. And since the Relic Of Knowledge is technically alive, then why can't the other relics be sentient? Especially the Relic Of Choice, what could be a better example of that relic's nature than it choosing to live as a human?
     
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