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RWBY Thread III: Time To Say Goodbye

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Stop: So gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
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    • so gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
    We get a lot of reports from this thread. A lot of it is just a series of people yelling at each other over arguments that have been rehashed hundreds of times since the end of the recent Volume. And I get that the last Volume - and RWBY in general, really - has some controversial moments that people will want to discuss, argue about, debate, etc.

    That's fine. We're not going to stop people from doing that, because that's literally what the point of the thread is. However, there's just a point where it gets to be a bit too much, and arguments about whether or not Ironwood was morally justified in his actions in the recent Volume, or if RWBY and her team were in the right for withholding information from Ironwood out of distrust, or whatever flavor of argument of the day descend into insulting other posters, expressing a demeaning attitude towards other's opinions, and just being overall unpleasant. That tends to happen a lot in this thread. We want it to stop happening in this thread.

    So! As of now the thread is in a higher state of moderation. What that means is that any future infractions will result in a weeklong boot from the thread, and repeated offenders will likely be permanently removed. So please, everyone endeavor to actually respect the other's arguments, and even if you strongly disagree with them please stay civil and mindful when it comes to responding to others.

    In addition, users should refrain from talking about off-site users in the thread. Bear in mind that this does not mean that you cannot continue to post tumblr posts, for example, that add onto the discussion in the thread, with the caveat that it's related to RWBY of course. But any objections to offsite users in the thread should be handled via PM, or they'll be treated as thread violations and infracted as such.
     
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    • Maybe he got a new one once he got back to base and rested up, then the white fang confrontation happened after

    I hope It's not a thoughtless nonsensical retcon.

    But at the same time it made zero sense that one hit from blake made him walk with a heavy limp, but also didn't impede his running. It's not like he got boosted nora sledgehammered in the face or weiss summon skewered
     
    devilkingx2 said:
    Yeah i was wondering how his relationship with the rest of the group would be at this point, and it's weird that they showed him running with the rest in V5 then solo in the short
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    It's been a while, but I seem to recall that he wasn't running with Hazel and Ember at the end of Volume 5. He fled the battle separately from them, and we he see him later watching them from the trees while Hazel is carrying Ember, which makes it seem like he's going to link up with them, but we don't actually see him do so.
     
    I dearly hope that we don't immediately cut away from the big reveal to focus on the villains or some other side plot. That was a big problem with volume 5, awkwardly jumping between like 3 or 4 unrelated plots (Bandits, Haven, Menagerie) at the most inopportune of times. Hopefully the writers can avoid that pitfall this season.


    About Adams mask, I suspect the writers hadn't actually thought of a design for his face and just acted like that scene of him dropping the mask never happened. Lookie here, not one episode in and already a possible retcon. Yes it is small, but the small things add up
     
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    Krazyfan1 said:
    Huh, this seems plausable..
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    To comment further on this:
    I have seen some people theorize that the Relics of Light are a lamp and a torch to go with the God of Light having a fire/light imagery, while the Relics of Darkness are a Sword and an Axe, both being weapons to go with the Destruction theme of the God of Darkness. Personally I'm not a fan of that theory, it makes the Relics a bit to uniform and stale, I'd prefer if each were unique. Plus the God of Darkness created Fire so that's more his theme.

    The paintbrush idea is something I really like, I saw that legend while checking out some picture books at a library once and its really cool and I think it fits the power of Creation a lot better than a torch does. Additionally there is some evidence in-universe that points at the paintbrush theory being correct:





    Notice how when Yang is inside the Vault at Haven both she and the Relic have this weird painted look to them? When she brings out the Relic later and when its used in Volume 6 it doesn't have that same canvas/oil painting style look. I suspect that this is because the paint effect is not from the Relic itself but instead from the Vault. After all we have to ask, where did Ozpin get these pocket dimensions to store the Relics in, in the first place? Sure he could have sacrificed some of his magic I guess? Or the Maidens could have. But in that case its weird that its never mentioned. But what if instead he created safe storage spaces for the Relics with the Relic that has the ability to Create?

    The strange painted look of the Vault could be perfectly explained if it was in fact literally painted into existence with the Relic of Creation.


    Serval said:
    I've seen around a theory that says that the scene is from the future. Remember that at the end of Season 5 he was walking just fine, so that staggering was kinda weird. Almost like it happened another time. It could be a retcon, but I like the idea that he's staggering because he got grievieous injured in a fight with RWBY that has yet to happen.
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    I doubt he got injured in a fight with RWBY but I do think its set chronologically after he slaughtered the White Fang base. The staggering would fit with him breaking down psychologically after losing everything. And the glimpse Blake saw of him on the train had him wearing a hood instead of a mask, further suggesting that the scene in the throne room is before after the failure at Haven, but before the final scene of the Adam Short.
     
    Mook said:
    I doubt he got injured in a fight with RWBY but I do think its set chronologically after he slaughtered the White Fang base. The staggering would fit with him breaking down psychologically after losing everything. And the glimpse Blake saw of him on the train had him wearing a hood instead of a mask, further suggesting that the scene in the throne room is before after the failure at Haven, but before the final scene of the Adam Short.
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    I guess we'll know for sure next time he shows up. If he doesn't have a mask then you're correct.
    The train encounter I kinda don't count because it could just as well be a halucination.
     
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    Serval said:
    I guess we'll know for sure next time he shows up. If he doesn't have a mask then you're correct.
    The train encounter I kinda don't count because it could just as well be a halucination.
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    Its pretty much already a given. Giving characters new clothes is a lot of work in this sort of animation. So if they went to the length of changing his outfit from mask to hood in the scene with Blake then he's going to be wearing that from now on. Especially since there is no reason Blake would hallucinate him wearing a hood since he both wore the mask the last time she saw him and when she confronted him in a similar situation in the Black Trailer.
     
    I find it amusing how much people are reading into Adam having taken his mask off and then had it back on again at a later date.

    I know the fashion industry does a lot of sketchy stuff to get people to constantly buy new clothing, but we're not quite at the point yet where any item of apparel that you remove has to be discarded and never worn again. :p
     
    Are y'all deliberately missing the point? I'm talking about the narrative. Since he dropped the mask and didn't pick it back up, that implied he abandoned the mask and that in v6 he would be going without one. What is the narrative sense of him discarding his mask if he is just going to be wearing it the next volume?
     
    thesevenwielder said:
    Are y'all deliberately missing the point? I'm talking about the narrative. Since he dropped the mask and didn't pick it back up, that implied he abandoned the mask and that in v6 he would be going without one. What is the narrative sense of him discarding his mask if he is just going to be wearing it the next volume?
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    Given how RWBY's now doing a dislocated timeline (i.e. the time frame between Mistral arc and Menagerie arc), it could be that it's between his reeeing at Blake and him showing up at the train.
     
    thesevenwielder said:
    About Adams mask, I suspect the writers hadn't actually thought of a design for his face and just acted like that scene of him dropping the mask never happened. Lookie here, not one episode in and already a possible retcon. Yes it is small, but the small things add up
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    I mean, they have to model something under the mask if it's possible for the model to take it off

    And they draw things we've never seen in concept art all the time

    I'd wager that they don't want to show us his secret yet. Which is either silver eyes or something new (someone mentioned a faint red glow when he attacked his throne in V6E1)
     
    Look maybe his face was just itchy after wearing the mask all day, like his forehead got all sweaty, you know
     
    ok rwby just entered some straight up bs god level power today check it out
     
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    Ok that was like... 100% Salem's fault, enabled by the gods being fallible and capricious but still her damn fault.

    So Oz's task is achieve world peace for judgement day, not destroying Salem. Aaaaand its entirely possible that should he accomplish this task, brings back the gods, and humanity relapses... the very fallible yet almighty beings will simply wipe the slate again. And Salem both betrayed him and fucking murdered their children when he opened up about his task, has an inherent drive to destroy (though tbh its not like she needed it), knows she can abuse judgement day to end humanity, and is furthermore unkillable.

    This poor guy.

    Also holy shit were the gods unbelievably dickish. They wiped humanity off the face of the planet for the sins of the few, while leaving the root of the problem immortal and pissed tf off. The dark god seems to have blown up the moon purely as an FU to Salem. And poor Ozma, they batted him between life and death like a ping pong ball before tricking him into Sisyphus task.

    Dat animation on the Dark God though, so awesome! I'm incredibly intrigued by the dark god's pond still existing. The story implies the only reason Salem survived to be granted an impulse of destruction was the immortality from her dip in the light god's pond... but does that Life pond still exist?

    Edit: If the daughters with Salem became the Maidens that's pretty fucked up, it means a lesser version of Ozma's curse was passed down to them and thus Salem's plan to wipe the new humanity and replace them with the magic using master race would have created a population of semi-immortal magic users.

    I think its more likely Oz was just dragged out of depression by 4 women who reminded him of his daughters.
     
    Teen Spirit said:
    Today we learned that the gods of this setting are greek levels of dicks.
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    We really should have figured that out when they killed Achilles.

    More seriously, holy shit so that's the truth of it all. No wonder he didn't want anyone to know, they're essentially fighting a war that can't be won with the all of humanity and faunus. Alright they already knew that last part but this puts it into perspective that even the strongest fastness ultimately can't save them. And that's before you get into the personal shit with Salem.

    And I totally called the we would find out about humanity's fall. Even if I though Ozpin would have played a more direct roll. Though seeking Salem out was a grave enough mistake, even if the brother of light should have told him everything as well. Fucking asshole.
     
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