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RWBY Thread III: Time To Say Goodbye

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Stop: So gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
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    • so gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
    We get a lot of reports from this thread. A lot of it is just a series of people yelling at each other over arguments that have been rehashed hundreds of times since the end of the recent Volume. And I get that the last Volume - and RWBY in general, really - has some controversial moments that people will want to discuss, argue about, debate, etc.

    That's fine. We're not going to stop people from doing that, because that's literally what the point of the thread is. However, there's just a point where it gets to be a bit too much, and arguments about whether or not Ironwood was morally justified in his actions in the recent Volume, or if RWBY and her team were in the right for withholding information from Ironwood out of distrust, or whatever flavor of argument of the day descend into insulting other posters, expressing a demeaning attitude towards other's opinions, and just being overall unpleasant. That tends to happen a lot in this thread. We want it to stop happening in this thread.

    So! As of now the thread is in a higher state of moderation. What that means is that any future infractions will result in a weeklong boot from the thread, and repeated offenders will likely be permanently removed. So please, everyone endeavor to actually respect the other's arguments, and even if you strongly disagree with them please stay civil and mindful when it comes to responding to others.

    In addition, users should refrain from talking about off-site users in the thread. Bear in mind that this does not mean that you cannot continue to post tumblr posts, for example, that add onto the discussion in the thread, with the caveat that it's related to RWBY of course. But any objections to offsite users in the thread should be handled via PM, or they'll be treated as thread violations and infracted as such.
     
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    thesevenwielder said:
    She's not carrying Weiss tho. Weiss is trailing behind her. And she could only carry Penny like 20 feet before she collapsed . Even if Weiss is half the weight she shouldn't be able to carry Weiss like that.Speaking of the food fight, the animation looked so much better back then. Instead of an ugly blob she turns into a cool little spiral thing.
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    Ah yes, Ruby being able to bring people with her by having them trail after her is totally a new power that came out of nowhere. [brings up the Food Fight two sentences later, the food fight that had Ruby make everything inside a massive cafeteria, including four people trail after her and hit a wall with tremendous force] Am I on drugs? Am I just imagining that I'm seeing arguments this blatantly dishonest?

    And yes, I sure can't think of any reason why Ruby would struggle more with lifting Penny than she would with Nora, Weiss or a demonic silverback gorilla. After all Penny is a normal meat person, just like us, and therefore she can't possibly be more heavy than Ruby expected her to be.

    Ah yes, the animation was so much sleeker back in volume 2. Why just look at Pyrrha thrusting her arm into the floor to use her Semblance. Such smooth and crisp animation that totally doesn't make her look like some kind of freaky animatronic doll that's trying to mimic human movement. :rolleyes:

    (I will admit I do prefer the food fight version of Ruby's Semblance but 1) that one might not work so well for more complex animation than a straight line and 2) +5000 improvements and -1 downgrade is still a massive improvement overall)
     
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    So if the Black trailer took place on a train, Oscar took a train to Mistral, and RWBY are taking a train to Atlas... Why didn't JNRR take a train to Mistral? This is 3 times now that trains have been shown to exist and are unmolested by Grimm. So much for them "destroying man and all his works" amirite?
     
    thesevenwielder said:
    So if the Black trailer took place on a train, Oscar took a train to Mistral, and RWBY are taking a train to Atlas... Why didn't JNRR take a train to Mistral? This is 3 times now that trains have been shown to exist and are unmolested by Grimm.
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    IIRC Ren or Nora asked Ruby this very question and her answer was that she didn't know how far a walk it would be from Patch to Mistral. She grew up on a small island and figured it'd take a few days at most on foot. The real question is why trains rather than airships. It'd be a lot faster.

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    So much for them "destroying man and all his works" amirite?
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    You're right, the whole "Remnant is a death world and Grimm kill 90% of the population every day" is total fanon and has basically no basis in canon.
     
    VolantRedX said:
    She grew up on a small island and figured it'd take a few days at most on foot.
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    To her credit, she said weeks, not days.

    The real question is why trains rather than airships. It'd be a lot faster.
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    That was the plan. Remember Shion? Jaune knew there was an airport there, so they were going to use that because the ones in Vale are flooded trying to deal with getting all the foreigners who got stranded out. They're literally talking about it immediately before they find the whole place razed to the ground by the one-two punch of Raven and the Nuckelavee.

    You're right, the whole "Remnant is a death world and Grimm kill 90% of the population every day" is total fanon and has basically no basis in canon.
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    Well, yeah. This is the most peaceful, prosperous period in their entire history as well as the most technologically advanced. If the Grimm were still a huge existential threat that no one was safe from, it would completely beggar belief that they'd gotten this far.

    And yet as soon as Beacon falls and everyone's feelings of safety and prosperity, people's belief that things are getting better, takes a huge hit, that all starts to fade away. When the CCT network collapses and the kingdoms start pointing fingers and closing borders, villages like Shion are getting wiped out and Mistral's forces are being stretched to the limit trying to keep things from getting worse. Salem herself said that humanity was at its most powerful when it provided a united front, which it's been doing for the past 80 years, and her and Cinder's plans are all built around taking that strength away from them.
     
    Leingod said:
    That was the plan. Remember Shion? Jaune knew there was an airport there, so they were going to use that because the ones in Vale are flooded trying to deal with getting all the foreigners who got stranded out. They're literally talking about it immediately before they find the whole place razed to the ground by the one-two punch of Raven and the Nuckelavee.
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    I meant why take a train to Atlas from Mistral.

    Leingod said:
    Well, yeah. This is the most peaceful, prosperous period in their entire history as well as the most technologically advanced. If the Grimm were still a huge existential threat that no one was safe from, it would completely beggar belief that they'd gotten this far.

    And yet as soon as Beacon falls and everyone's feelings of safety and prosperity, people's belief that things are getting better, takes a huge hit, that all starts to fade away. When the CCT network collapses and the kingdoms start pointing fingers and closing borders, villages like Shion are getting wiped out and Mistral's forces are being stretched to the limit trying to keep things from getting worse. Salem herself said that humanity was at its most powerful when it provided a united front, which it's been doing for the past 80 years, and her and Cinder's plans are all built around taking that strength away from them.
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    I know but the way some fans talk about this show you'd think it was some Attack on Titans shit or something. Where if you take one step outside the safe zones you'll be dead in minutes.
     
    VolantRedX said:
    I meant why take a train to Atlas from Mistral.
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    Did you see what happened when Weiss took an airship the other way? Oh, and that one airship that got torn apart as well. Was there a third? I feel like there might have been.

    My guess is the area is getting more dangerous to fly through and they thus need alternate transportation.
     
    I would have thought terrain issues (like them being on different continents and the rocky ground) would have made it difficult to set up a train to begin with.

    I also have a pet theory that while the Grimm destroy manmade things, they only destroy active manmade things. Ruins get left alone because, hey, already wrecked. Train tracks get left alone because, hey, that's just some metal and sticks in the ground. A traffic light that still worked in mountain glenn would probably be torn down by the Beowolves, but anything that's just... inactive, or wrecked? Grimm'll leave it alone.
     
    I mean the reason they are taking a train is to have a fight scene on a train and maybe a few bottle episodes like the boat trip. If they do it well that is good enough for me. Rwby's world building has plenty of empty spots you can drive a train through after all.:V
     
    thesevenwielder said:
    So if the Black trailer took place on a train, Oscar took a train to Mistral, and RWBY are taking a train to Atlas... Why didn't JNRR take a train to Mistral? This is 3 times now that trains have been shown to exist and are unmolested by Grimm. So much for them "destroying man and all his works" amirite?
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    I feel you have missed the fact that the train RWBY are taking in volume six is very clearly going to be attacked by Grimm...
     
    Psyga315 said:
    Then that raises another question:

    Why do the Grimm decide to attack now instead of those other times?

    ... Wait, Salem. Never mind.
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    There is that, plus we know (I think) from the convention Hunters were hired to protect the train implying attacks are common but manageable, but that doesn't mean the usual Hunters can't get careless or being having an off day, or more Grimm than usual show up or one's with particularly dangerous abilities not often seen in this area ETC.
     
    VolantRedX said:
    I meant why take a train to Atlas from Mistral.
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    You generally can't take a train to a different continent, what with trains not being able to move over water.

    I assume they're taking a train to a port to catch a ship or something.


    thesevenwielder said:
    So if the Black trailer took place on a train, Oscar took a train to Mistral, and RWBY are taking a train to Atlas... Why didn't JNRR take a train to Mistral?
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    Right. Just like all those settlers took trains along the Oregon Trail instead of ox-carts and horse-drawn wagons, because if there is train service in the well-populated, industrialized part of the country that automatically implies that there is also train service in the sparsely-settled frontier.

    Oh, wait. No it doesn't. None of that is true. It took six years to build the first transcontinental railroad with thousands of men and millions of dollars, and it wasn't even started until fifteen years after the settlement of the west coast had begun in earnest with the 1849 California gold rush and decades after railways had become a common sight on the east coast. It's actually a pretty substantial investment and logistical nightmare to establish rail service somewhere, and you're not going to do it for a place where you don't have a lot of people or cargo that need transporting.
     
    The Narrator said:
    You generally can't take a train to a different continent, what with trains not being able to move over water.

    I assume they're taking a train to a port to catch a ship or something.



    Right. Just like all those settlers took trains along the Oregon Trail instead of ox-carts and horse-drawn wagons, because if there is train service in the well-populated, industrialized part of the country that automatically implies that there is also train service in the sparsely-settled frontier.

    Oh, wait. No it doesn't. None of that is true. It took six years to build the first transcontinental railroad with thousands of men and millions of dollars, and it wasn't even started until fifteen years after the settlement of the west coast had begun in earnest with the 1849 California gold rush and decades after railways had become a common sight on the east coast. It's actually a pretty substantial investment and logistical nightmare to establish rail service somewhere, and you're not going to do it for a place where you don't have a lot of people or cargo that need transporting.
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    This. They're taking the train to a city called Argus, which is presumably a port town at the northern end of Anima. Its probably located roughly where the Mistral Emperor is standing:



    Also aside from the difficulty of making rail lines out in the boonies the rail line to Vale is closed according to people who saw the comic con footage, likely because of the huge spike in Grimm activity ever since the Fall of Beacon.


    Psyga315 said:
    Then that raises another question:

    Why do the Grimm decide to attack now instead of those other times?

    ... Wait, Salem. Never mind.
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    It raises no such question because leaving aside Salem it has always been established to be pretty random when and where Grimm attack and with what type of Grimm. Not to mention that it has been established several times now that the Grimm are getting stronger and that resources are starting to get stretched thin due to so many Huntsmen dying during the Grimm surge during the Fall of Beacon and in Mistral in particular due to Leo having a bunch of Huntsmen covertly assassinated. And there's likely way more fear spreading around now as well, which attracts more Grimm. If ever there was a time when it was not safe to travel it's now.
     
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    What I think the heart of this discussion is about is how the show can ineffectively convey distance. We may not need to know the exact mileage or logistics, but there is a lot of little things that add up to characters feeling like they're taking the wrong path, or that something just seems contrived rather than natural to their hike.
     
    The Narrator said:
    Right. Just like all those settlers took trains along the Oregon Trail instead of ox-carts and horse-drawn wagons, because if there is train service in the well-populated, industrialized part of the country that automatically implies that there is also train service in the sparsely-settled frontier.

    Oh, wait. No it doesn't. None of that is true. It took six years to build the first transcontinental railroad with thousands of men and millions of dollars, and it wasn't even started until fifteen years after the settlement of the west coast had begun in earnest with the 1849 California gold rush and decades after railways had become a common sight on the east coast. It's actually a pretty substantial investment and logistical nightmare to establish rail service somewhere, and you're not going to do it for a place where you don't have a lot of people or cargo that need transporting.
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    Wait wait wait, back the truck up. Are you seriously trying to compare the completely undeveloped Oregon Trail to the connection between a port town and the capital of the continent?

    Man I don't even need to provide a rebuttal, your comparison is damning enough on its own.
     
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