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RWBY Thread III: Time To Say Goodbye

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Stop: So gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
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    • so gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
    We get a lot of reports from this thread. A lot of it is just a series of people yelling at each other over arguments that have been rehashed hundreds of times since the end of the recent Volume. And I get that the last Volume - and RWBY in general, really - has some controversial moments that people will want to discuss, argue about, debate, etc.

    That's fine. We're not going to stop people from doing that, because that's literally what the point of the thread is. However, there's just a point where it gets to be a bit too much, and arguments about whether or not Ironwood was morally justified in his actions in the recent Volume, or if RWBY and her team were in the right for withholding information from Ironwood out of distrust, or whatever flavor of argument of the day descend into insulting other posters, expressing a demeaning attitude towards other's opinions, and just being overall unpleasant. That tends to happen a lot in this thread. We want it to stop happening in this thread.

    So! As of now the thread is in a higher state of moderation. What that means is that any future infractions will result in a weeklong boot from the thread, and repeated offenders will likely be permanently removed. So please, everyone endeavor to actually respect the other's arguments, and even if you strongly disagree with them please stay civil and mindful when it comes to responding to others.

    In addition, users should refrain from talking about off-site users in the thread. Bear in mind that this does not mean that you cannot continue to post tumblr posts, for example, that add onto the discussion in the thread, with the caveat that it's related to RWBY of course. But any objections to offsite users in the thread should be handled via PM, or they'll be treated as thread violations and infracted as such.
     
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    • 1: RWBY Volume 6 starts October 27th, 2018 for FIRST Members!

    2: There's a YA RWBY book series starring CFVY coming summer 2019!

    3: New RWBY merch is going to be sold at Hot Topic, Forever 21, GameStop and FYE!

    4: EVEN MORE NEW MERCH! Especially cool are the headphones; they're the same ones as in the show!

    5: New RWBY and JNPR collectibles are coming out! Raven, Qrow, Oscar and Cinder are also going to be apart of this wave.

    6: New RWBY Manga that adapts Seasons 1 and 2 is coming soon!

    7: Adam Short is coming out in TWO WEEKS! It's going to be the only short of Volume 6.

    8: Manticore Grimm in Volume 6! Here's the concept art for it.

    9: Coco is coming to Chibi!

    10: New Grimm Eclipse DLC is coming out! New outfits, maps and even a brand new mode are going to be apart of it.

    from my post at the Spacebattles thread.

    So, recap of the panel.



    TEAM CFVY BOOK AFTER THE FALL OF BEACON.



    Written by EC Meyers, published by Scholastic



    Coming Summer 2019!

    Also it takes place "over a year after the fall" apparently.



    There will be a new RWBY manga in development drawn by artist Kohei Kusu (I think) that will be adapted the first two volumes. It will be simulpublished by Viz Media through their digital Weekly Shonen Jump magazine.



    Apparently, a new character short was shown at the panel.



    New content for Grimm Eclipse, PJ costumes, new campaign as well as horde maps.



    The character short was Adam's backstory.



    They are wrapping up writing for Chapter 13 now, so I guess were getting 14 episodes again.



    This will be the day is available on rockband right now with two unnamed songs coming later



    Also Megan Salinas, one of the hosts on the RWBY Afterbuzz panel says:

    The #RWBY Adam Character Short just got a standing ovation! Some fantastic action and excellent insight into the mind of this character!
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    October 27th for V6's premiere.



    They've been doing a more in-depth writing process with more revision and outside opinions.



    Miles: "Yeah, I have a similar answer because I have something that I've thought of since volume 1 and I finally get to show it in volume 6, so I'm really excited!"



    The Adam character short is the only one that they are doing, since they want to focus more on V6.



    New Official Yang art by Einlee.





    And confirmation we are getting Miles' favorite Grimm this Volume.



    A few pictures from the panel.







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    Psyga315 said:
    I'm surprised Adam's trailer got a standing ovation.

    Like, this is the same Adam people bashed for breaking Bumblebee up, killing Sienna Khan, getting roflstomped by Blake, and having an overall cringy rant, right?
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    I think it is because the Adam short brings him back to form in a way that alot of people were expecting him to act like during the events of Volume 5 given the impressions he gave off during the Black trailer/Volume 2 and 3 especially 3.
     
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    Psyga315 said:
    I'm surprised Adam's trailer got a standing ovation.

    Like, this is the same Adam people bashed for breaking Bumblebee up, killing Sienna Khan, getting roflstomped by Blake, and having an overall cringy rant, right?
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    People hate him, but in a villain way. The short is basically saying, "Yes, you should be mad about the bumblebee and the killing of Sienna and etc.! He is cringy!".
     
    The Narrator said:
    Trying to murder your ex-girlfriend's whole family because she left you is not a terribly egalitarian thing to do, and a sign of a controlling, abusive asshole.
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    I'd say that shows him as unhinged and controlling towards people in general. Not that he hates women- if he hated them wouldn't he have expected that an 'untrustworthy woman' like Blake would betray him and 'not have the strength to see what needs to be done to secure the future of the faunus from humanity*'?

    *quotes are obviously supposed to be those of a woman-hating Adam, not my own.
     
    VolantRedX said:
    That seems more to do with that one specific woman than women in general.
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    DarthDakka said:
    I'd say that shows him as unhinged and controlling towards people in general. Not that he hates women- if he hated them wouldn't he have expected that an 'untrustworthy woman' like Blake would betray him and 'not have the strength to see what needs to be done to secure the future of the faunus from humanity*'?

    *quotes are obviously supposed to be those of a woman-hating Adam, not my own.
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    There's more than one kind of misogyny. That he wants to punish her for leaving him indicates that he's possessive and controlling; he treated her as something that belonged to him rather than her own person. He may not have wanted her to stay in the kitchen, but he wanted her obedience. Stuff that he says in the description of the short or at the end of Volume 3 is pretty classic abuser shit: "Why do you hurt me by making me hit you?" and "It was an accident, baby, and you doubting me is a betrayal," and the like.

    Also he murdered his female boss for being too soft and took her position, so it's not a great track record.
     
    The Narrator said:
    There's more than one kind of misogyny. That he wants to punish her for leaving him indicates that he's possessive and controlling; he treated her as something that belonged to him rather than her own person. He may not have wanted her to stay in the kitchen, but he wanted her obedience. Stuff that he says in the description of the short or at the end of Volume 3 is pretty classic abuser shit: "Why do you hurt me by making me hit you?" and "It was an accident, baby, and you doubting me is a betrayal," and the like.

    Also he murdered his female boss for being too soft and took her position, so it's not a great track record.
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    This seems to point more to him being an unstable asshole. You can be that and not be a misogist. He's likely just as controlling and possessive of anyone he sees as "his" no matter who they are.
     
    VolantRedX said:
    This seems to point more to him being an unstable asshole. You can be that and not be a misogist. He's likely just as controlling and possessive of anyone he sees as "his" no matter who they are.
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    Have we seen him be controlling and possessive that way, let alone that level invoking several misogynistic trends and tropes, to any male character though? Like we can speculate that its a generic trait but we should focus on what the narrative shows us here.
     
    What was the point of that short, anyway? To try and fix volume 5's portrayal by showing that yes, he's actually competent and not a joke? Too little, too late. I doubt even a blatant retcon can fix him in the eyes of fans. Yes, he was always a violent asshole, but he was a competent violent asshole who rarely lost his cool. With the advent of v5, he's a whiny manchild.
     
    thesevenwielder said:
    What was the point of that short, anyway? To try and fix volume 5's portrayal by showing that yes, he's actually competent and not a joke? Too little, too late. I doubt even a blatant retcon can fix him in the eyes of fans. Yes, he was always a violent asshole, but he was a competent violent asshole who rarely lost his cool. With the advent of v5, he's a whiny manchild.
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    I think it was meant to do to things one as you pointed out fix Adam and two to show how the beginning of the White Fangs transformation from a non violent group into the terrorist organization that we see in the series proper.
     
    Broken Base said:
    Have we seen him be controlling and possessive that way, let alone that level invoking several misogynistic trends and tropes, to any male character though? Like we can speculate that its a generic trait but we should focus on what the narrative shows us here.
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    Yes, if someone is especially possessive and controlling and manipulative of their girlfriend, it's reeeally not necessary to split hairs over it.
     
    thesevenwielder said:
    What was the point of that short, anyway? To try and fix volume 5's portrayal by showing that yes, he's actually competent and not a joke? Too little, too late. I doubt even a blatant retcon can fix him in the eyes of fans. Yes, he was always a violent asshole, but he was a competent violent asshole who rarely lost his cool. With the advent of v5, he's a whiny manchild.
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    What needed to be fixed? He was always violent and irrational man child but had situational control before, then Blake took all that control for him and he floundered the moment he couldn't run to someone higher up to save him then ran away. I'll never get people who think this doesn't make sense or needs 'fixing'.

    As to the intent of the trailer, I guess we'd need to see the whole thing to have some idea, though it may also just be cleaning house for some stuff so they don't need to do it in the show proper.
     
    Adam was pretty obviously a whiny manchild from at least the end of Volume 3, and the only reason he wasn't before then was because we'd hardly seen anything of him.
     
    Zam said:
    What needed to be fixed? He was always violent and irrational man child but had situational control before, then Blake took all that control for him and he floundered the moment he couldn't run to someone higher up to save him then ran away. I'll never get people who think this doesn't make sense or needs 'fixing'.
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    Alot of the Fandom latched onto his combat prowess and that he seemed to be a much more terrifying villain during the scenes he was shown. Hell Volume 4 really showed how dangerous he was when he decided to just kill Sienna take over the White Fang blame her death on Humans thus using her death as a rallying point to get more people to follow his orders.
     
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    I mean you can be both a very dangerous and also a pathetic manchild. In fact in the era of the alt-right and the constant mass shooting sprees, having the villain be someone who is at their core just a pissed off member of the Trench Coat Mafia who just happens to be also fairly dangerous is a lot more timely a character to have.
     
    Tython82 said:
    Alot of the Fandom latched onto his combat prowess and that he seemed to be a much more terrifying villain during the scenes he was shown. Hell Volume 4 really showed how dangerous he was when he decided to just kill Sienna take over the White Fang blame her death on Humans thus using her death as a rallying point to get more people to follow his orders.
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    True and I'm not denying he's dangerous, but much like VolantRedX and The Narrator said, and as you said, yeah I think this is just people having latched on to Adam as an idea and ignored a lot of traits about him, like... Lets take a somewhat jokey look at his past.

    Black trailer:
    Blake: we are here to steal stuff.
    Adam: Actually I didn't tell you about this but now I wanna kill everyone and make you a party to mass murder even though there is no discernible gain in doing this, clearly this plan is great and couldn't at all backfire!
    Five minutes later
    Blake (Ruins Adam's plan by getting twenty feet ahead of him and cutting the trailer, Adam is shocked)
    Adam: Noo, my plan, my Blake, how could this have happened, its almost like I'm only half as smart as I think I am!

    Next time we see him in V2:
    Mercury: The White Fang aren't going to listen to us cos our plan failed and got a ton of them killed.
    Adam: Don't worry, they'll listen to meeeee!

    V3:
    Adam (when Cinder is being submissive and he's surrounded by a camp full of soldiers)
    Adam: I would never trade away my soldiers lives for a human cause, get out!
    A week later and after Cider stomped his mook squad into the ground.
    Adam: I rescind all my previous complaints and will happily send my soldiers to die for your case, don't hurt me fire lady!

    Later V3:
    Adam: I left my soldiers behind to go kill mooks, yaaaay!
    Also Adam: What you want is impossible! I want you Blake, I'm going to kill everyone you love Blake, and burn this world to the ground Blake, why must you hurt me Blake waaaahh!


    Sorry I thought of that and wanted to post it XD

    But yeah, Adam is dangerous cos he's a murder happy, immoral, backstabber with no foresight beyond causing the most immediate amount of pain to whoever he has perceived as wronging him regardless of the short of long terms benefits or consequences who bows to those stronger than him and wasn't even the one who led the White Fang to success prior to it being co-opted by Cinder and honestly I don't see how any of what we saw leading up to V3/4/5 denied that? The best counter example I can see is him telling the lieutenant not to chase down Blake and for all we know that is because he didn't want Blake to reveal he was self sabotaging his mission out of impractical blood-lust.

    Also this doesn't even get into how Adam is only direct when fighting mooks and otherwise bows or hides behind others and relies on manipulation, backstabbing or other cowardly sneak attacks to win fights, but I've done some posts on that XD
     
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    And yet, he was utterly successful in all his endeavors up 'til volume 5, where he suddenly gains a random obsession with Blake (notice how when she ran during the fall of Beacon he didn't rant and rave) and only brings like 3 people on his mission to destroy Haven even though up until now he wants to publicly kill everyone and make a big spectacle of it.

    Adam: "I'll set the charges." Note "the." Blake was fully aware of the plan to destroy the train. Now maybe she thought Adam would spare the crew, but she was there to destroy the train all along. What evidence do we have that it wasn't Sienna's plan to destroy the train? The only reason she chews out Adam is because she thinks they will lose if attacking high-profile targets. She doesn't have any moral objections at all. Bitch lived by the sword, and she died by it. "Adam left his soldiers behind to fight mooks!" See nearly every single antagonist in history.

    Adam was always a threat. A complete psycho nutcase, but a threat nonetheless. I get you have a hateboner for the guy, but stop lying about the facts and giving misleading statements. He's a Hate Sink and an awful person, but he was competent.



    Also this short further affirmed that Miles ruined Adam for no reason; look at Sienna's fighting style. Kind of similar to a certain cat faunus who gave a ridiculously telegraphed hammerhead blow and OHKO'd Adam. Turned him into a fucking pathetic loser. I bet that one scorpion faunus will be a complete joke the next time the good guys meet them. Because heaven forbid the good guys earn their victories. They just have the plot hand victories or defeats to them as needed.

    [warning=Warning]What did we say about spoilers again?[/warning]
     
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    thesevenwielder said:
    Also this short further affirmed that Miles ruined Adam for no reason; look at Sienna's fighting style. Kind of similar to a certain cat faunus who gave a ridiculously telegraphed hammerhead blow and OHKO'd Adam. Turned him into a fucking pathetic loser. I bet that one scorpion faunus will be a complete joke the next time the good guys meet them. Because heaven forbid the good guys earn their victories. They just have the plot hand victories or defeats to them as needed.
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    Pretty sure this should be spoilers and also makes no sense.

    thesevenwielder said:
    And yet, he was utterly successful in all his endeavors up 'til volume 5, where he suddenly gains a random obsession with Blake (notice how when she ran during the fall of Beacon he didn't rant and rave) and only brings like 3 people on his mission to destroy Haven even though up until now he wants to publicly kill everyone and make a big spectacle of it.

    Adam: "I'll set the charges." Note "the." Blake was fully aware of the plan to destroy the train. Now maybe she thought Adam would spare the crew, but she was there to destroy the train all along. What evidence do we have that it wasn't Sienna's plan to destroy the train? The only reason she chews out Adam is because she thinks they will lose if attacking high-profile targets. She doesn't have any moral objections at all. Bitch lived by the sword, and she died by it. "Adam left his soldiers behind to fight mooks!" See nearly every single antagonist in history.

    Adam was always a threat. A complete psycho nutcase, but a threat nonetheless. I get you have a hateboner for the guy, but stop lying about the facts and giving misleading statements. He's a Hate Sink and an awful person, but he was competent.
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    His first endeavor failed miserably and had his partner bail on him, he showed his obsession with Blake back in V3 and he only needed people to set up bombs not attack an army so small numbers was likely easier to work with.

    The plan literally wasn't to destroy the train, the manga covers this specifically with it being a theft mission, the fact she was surprised by his plan and that destroying the train and mass murdering civilians makes no sense and gains them nothing all tie into him being a bloodlust driven idiot with no foresight.
    1 Your use of foul language is gross to me, 2 it was noted by both Sienna and Ghira that they wanted equality, 3 she's been fine going after other high profile targets given the attacks on the SDC, but felt Adam crossed a line at Beacon.
    So every antagonist is an incompetent commander?

    I notice how you've failed to actually offer an argument or even address those put forward and instead just resorting to throwing insults and false claims. Adam's incompetence as a leader and a villain as well as breakdowns on his fighting style have all been covered, and as usual you haven't been able to come up with counter arguments, you just sling insults and insist your are correct with no actual analyse to back it up, so I'm done with you.
     
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    thesevenwielder said:
    And yet, he was utterly successful in all his endeavors up 'til volume 5, where he suddenly gains a random obsession with Blake (notice how when she ran during the fall of Beacon he didn't rant and rave) and only brings like 3 people on his mission to destroy Haven even though up until now he wants to publicly kill everyone and make a big spectacle of it.
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    Random obsession? He literally drops everything in his attack on Beacon in order to hunt her down and spends a long ass time fighting her, most of which was him bitching to her about leaving him. Also the reason he only brought three people to Haven was because, first off it was a stealth mission and having an army with him would likely have tipped off the people he was planing on killing and secondly the plan was to have 2 Maidens and Salem's other henchmen be the main force of the attack.

    thesevenwielder said:
    but stop lying about the facts and giving misleading statements.
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    Seven you of all people have no right to ever say this about anyone ever. In your entire time on this site and on SB your main tactic in debates is to use misleading and outright false information to try and make a point then go radio silent when called on it, only to pop up a few days later using the same lies and acting like you didn't get called out on it last time.

    thesevenwielder said:
    Kind of similar to a certain cat faunus who gave a ridiculously telegraphed hammerhead blow and OHKO'd Adam. Turned him into a fucking pathetic loser.
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    Case and fucking point. Adam wasn't OHKO'd. He wasn't even noticeably hurt. He was momentarily stunned by a sucker punch thrown by a trained warrior. Adam was back up and ready literally moments later, and the only reason Blake didn't get killed by him was that he was so out numbered he decided to leave the fight. I know you resent people criticizing you when you come into this thread, but this is why people do it. It's fucking exhausting rehashing the same fucking point over and over. People aren't mad because RWBY is a faultless and pure show, but because you're not engaging in a debate, you're not trying to generate a dialogue. You just want to shout from the roof tops that you hate this show. When people tell you to get off the roof and stop shouting they're not the ones in the wrong.
     
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