RWBY Thread III: Time To Say Goodbye

Stop: So gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
so gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
We get a lot of reports from this thread. A lot of it is just a series of people yelling at each other over arguments that have been rehashed hundreds of times since the end of the recent Volume. And I get that the last Volume - and RWBY in general, really - has some controversial moments that people will want to discuss, argue about, debate, etc.

That's fine. We're not going to stop people from doing that, because that's literally what the point of the thread is. However, there's just a point where it gets to be a bit too much, and arguments about whether or not Ironwood was morally justified in his actions in the recent Volume, or if RWBY and her team were in the right for withholding information from Ironwood out of distrust, or whatever flavor of argument of the day descend into insulting other posters, expressing a demeaning attitude towards other's opinions, and just being overall unpleasant. That tends to happen a lot in this thread. We want it to stop happening in this thread.

So! As of now the thread is in a higher state of moderation. What that means is that any future infractions will result in a weeklong boot from the thread, and repeated offenders will likely be permanently removed. So please, everyone endeavor to actually respect the other's arguments, and even if you strongly disagree with them please stay civil and mindful when it comes to responding to others.

In addition, users should refrain from talking about off-site users in the thread. Bear in mind that this does not mean that you cannot continue to post tumblr posts, for example, that add onto the discussion in the thread, with the caveat that it's related to RWBY of course. But any objections to offsite users in the thread should be handled via PM, or they'll be treated as thread violations and infracted as such.
 
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Yeah because complaining about sexual harassment in that scene is dumb. Grabbing someone by the balls is almost never treated as sexual harassment in any form of fiction ever, its just a sub-category of nut shots and how they are hilarious. Yang grabbing Junior by the balls is no different from Scarlet getting hit in the junk by flaming coconuts in volume 3, the focus is on it being painful (and thus hilarious) and not on any sexual stuff. Its the child friendly and toned down version of Batman dropping a goon off a building and breaking their legs in order to get information.
Ooh insightful and well said!

Yeah, its not inherently sexual just because it was technically a sex organ grabbed, in the same vein that punching someone in the boob, or as noted, hitting someone in the balls isn't inherently sexual.
 
Just going to drop my two cents but I do have to agree with a few of the others in that we are watching RWBY in the wrong context. See here is the thing Remnant is not meant to be a 1:1 copy of our world politically or socially just similarities, so alot of the characters actions taken place in story which may seem off to us would be there normal.
 
Just going to drop my two cents but I do have to agree with a few of the others in that we are watching RWBY in the wrong context. See here is the thing Remnant is not meant to be a 1:1 copy of our world politically or socially just similarities, so alot of the characters actions taken place in story which may seem off to us would be there normal.
"It's not literally our world" is not actually a good justification for blowing off criticism, especially when a decent chunk of that criticism is 'the worldbuilding is incoherent'.

Like, the Psycho Sis interpretation of Yang is amusing because it's very clearly not what Rooster Teeth intended Yang to come across as, but it's consistently in line with how they actually wrote her.
 
"It's not literally our world" is not actually a good justification for blowing off criticism, especially when a decent chunk of that criticism is 'the worldbuilding is incoherent'.

Like, the Psycho Sis interpretation of Yang is amusing because it's very clearly not what Rooster Teeth intended Yang to come across as, but it's consistently in line with how they actually wrote her.
No it really isn't. By that logic something like 90% of all anime characters are murderous psychopaths because they often hit people with enough force to send them crashing through stone walls. Nevermind that in their worlds that's the equivalent of a light slap to the back of the head, since it would have been lethal in our world we have to treat it as being lethal in their world even though it clearly isn't and so therefore they have to be psychopaths because they go around trying to kill people! Truly the epitome of rational and reasonable criticism. :rolleyes:
Context? Ah yes, we have dismissed that claim. :turian:
 
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"It's not literally our world" is not actually a good justification for blowing off criticism, especially when a decent chunk of that criticism is 'the worldbuilding is incoherent'.

Like, the Psycho Sis interpretation of Yang is amusing because it's very clearly not what Rooster Teeth intended Yang to come across as, but it's consistently in line with how they actually wrote her.
More or less what Mook said, also you tried to argue this before and eventually just stopped when you're arguments kept getting countered. The only time Yang was ever even verging on what you claim was in the Yellow Trailer which was again "Against a gang leader and his gang of criminals". Is Ruby a bycronic hero cos she didn't freak out when being robbed but instead smashed him through a window? Is Batman a monstrous psychopath in every incarnation and Superman just a god toying with mere mortals for fun?

Calling Yang a psycho with no actual supporting evidence is not what I would call criticism nor does it even really seem to reflect 'incoherent world building' like-

There's stuff to critique in RWBY, my gosh there is stuff to critique, but this feels like Flanderization and mis-representation over actual criticism.
 
More or less what Mook said, also you tried to argue this before and eventually just stopped when you're arguments kept getting countered.
Nobody actually countered my arguments; they just said that the examples I used didn't count, refused to explain why they didn't count, and then pretended they had won.

Meanwhile, people run over into the let's read every other day, accuse Leila of deliberately misrepresenting details from the show and say shit like 'the weight of canon is on my side' and then run away back here like little whiny babies when people ask for any examples of what was misrepresented or for evidence of canonical support.

EDIT: Like, open challenge. Go into the lets read, and read it through, and then tell us what precisely is mis-represented or flanderized in Leila's presentation of RWBY, instead of just sitting back far far away from where the actual criticism is happening and wringing your hands because someone said mean things about your waifu.
 
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Can I just say I'm getting a little tired of the constant well... snipe fights between this thread and Leila Hann's Let's Watch thread? It's gotten just a bit annoying in seeing what I presume to be arguments from that thread brought in here. If you disagree or something with what Leila is saying, just do it in that thread and so on while being nice and providing evidence to lay down your points. I admittedly haven't read the thread in question (maybe accidentally clicked it once or twice just to take a look at it) considering its length, but like if you want to argue some point or whatever with what is being portrayed by Leila, just keep it in that thread.


As something separate to try and shift this conversation, I'd be interested in seeing what people in here are hoping for (or looking forwards) to seeing in Season 6.
 
Nobody actually countered my arguments; they just said that the examples I used didn't count, refused to explain why they didn't count, and then pretended they had won.

Meanwhile, people run over into the let's read every other day, accuse Leila of deliberately misrepresenting details from the show and say shit like 'the weight of canon is on my side' and then run away back here like little whiny babies when people ask for any examples of what was misrepresented or for evidence of canonical support.

EDIT: Like, open challenge. Go into the lets read, and read it through, and then tell us what precisely is mis-represented or flanderized in Leila's presentation of RWBY, instead of just sitting back far far away from where the actual criticism is happening and wringing your hands because someone said mean things about your waifu.
Incorrect, you were given, for example, an explanation for why the laser pointer wasn't an issue and ignored how it was highlighted that Juniors a criminal and was totally fine trying mack on the girl he knew was underage he'd been trying to (allegedly in your eyes) "Shoo out of his club" and failed to offered an adequate counter beyond saying we were supporting casual racism without actually offering an argument. Us not agreeing with you, isn't us being incorrect.

I have not done so and what happens in other threads is irrelevant, this only became a topic of conversation because one of the fans came in here and called Yang and awful person and you decided to defend that interpretation.

I have a post for this:
I don't really have the time, and frankly, if that's the conclusion they reached about super supportive, encouraging, Yang who practically raised her little sister in a broken home with a shut-down/absentee father, mother, dead mother and an alcoholic uncle, who was pretty much universally friendly to everyone that wasn't a criminal or a jerk, incredibly understanding/empathic and puts the needs of others ahead of herself, then I don't want to read it and can see no worth in it.

Can I just say I'm getting a little tired of the constant well... snipe fights between this thread and Leila Hann's Let's Watch thread? It's gotten just a bit annoying in seeing what I presume to be arguments from that thread brought in here. If you disagree or something with what Leila is saying, just do it in that thread and so on while being nice and providing evidence to lay down your points. I admittedly haven't read the thread in question (maybe accidentally clicked it once or twice just to take a look at it) considering its length, but like if you want to argue some point or whatever with what is being portrayed by Leila, just keep it in that thread.
The thing is, it only came up because their fans came in here and started insulting characters, I was content to ignore the thread until then and would happily go back to doing so if they'd stop popping up here and throwing out insults.

As something separate to try and shift this conversation, I'd be interested in seeing what people in here are hoping for (or looking forwards) to seeing in Season 6.
I hope Sienna Khan comes back to life myself :D

Also hoping to find Cinder has passed on and that Emerald is being trained as her replacement.

And I desperately want Yang and Blake angst, drama and reconciliations, possibly with them beating up Adam.
 
No it really isn't. By that logic something like 90% of all anime characters are murderous psychopaths because they often hit people with enough force to send them crashing through stone walls. Nevermind that in their worlds that's the equivalent of a light slap to the back of the head, since it would have been lethal in our world we have to treat it as being lethal in their world even though it clearly isn't and so therefore they have to be psychopaths because they go around trying to kill people! Truly the epitome of rational and reasonable criticism. :rolleyes:

Context? Ah yes, we have dismissed that claim. :turian:
Yeah, it definitely looks like you dismissed context, given that as of her trailer, no context for her actions exists. And the Yellow Trailer is how we are introduced to her, so impressions here will color how one judges her actions later.

A summary of the Yellow Trailer when viewed in isolation, as it was originally:

An unknown girl shows up at a nightclub, somebody doubts she's age appropriate. She grabs him by the junk while smirking and demands info. She singsongs at the now named Junior and is clearly signposted to be playing with him. This extends to after she finds out he has no info to give and lets him go. The Junior's boys arrive, armed with axes and ready to defend him. She suckers him in with a promise to kiss and make up, which Junior actually takes - and then punches him in the face. When the boys rush her, she backflips and the camera deliberately slows down to show the blonde's eager smile. Blows all of them off their feet in a single punch, then dismantles them all while grinning. She's got shotgun fists, all the boys have axes. She easily handles them all and beats them down. One guy starts shooting at her from the DJ booth and she jumps up there and throws him off the balcony with a shotgun assisted throw. Two non-mook women show up, and blondie gets thrown for a single moment, but then returns and dismantles them too. Oh, and she breaks a bunch of shit in the club while fighting. She clearly outclasses them in raw power and skill. At this point Junior returns, rocket launcher in hand and fires a bunch of rockets at her, then smacks her with the launcher-bat. She then stands up, still smiling, and powers up, then beats the shit out of Junior. The big guy gets thrown back with his broken bat handle and a lock of her hair. She gets visibly mad for the first time, her eyes go red, and she rocket punches Junior out the window. When she hops out and sees Red girl, her eyes go back to purple, she calms instantly and we find out her name is Yang.

There is no context for this trailer other than 'this show is going to be about 4 color-themed girls.' This is part of the intro to RWBY, and we have has gotten the barest smidge of world info. We just watched someone who clearly outclassed every single person in that joint waltz in, demand information, and then beat up everyone in it for fun. Then when she loses a lock of hair in a fight she initiated, she gets extra mad and punches the info broker from the sizable club floor into the street. Even if we accept that nobody died because we didn't see any blood, cartoon physics in full effect and everyone walked away fine - Yang is thoroughly unlikable in this trailer. Other than 'this show is supposed to be about her.' there is zero signposting that she's intended to be a hero. In fact her singsonging, taunts, resorting to immediate and casual violence and constant grin as she wrecks a nightclub and beats multiple people into the ground are signposts I would expect from a villain.

She doesn't ask Junior first, and resort to harsh coercion when he rebuffs her, she leads with the ball vice. She isn't rebuffed at the door and have to punch her way in to see Junior. There's no obstacle that she needs to overcome by violence. She marches up to him, leans in and grabs his wedding tackle to force him to answer her question when it hasn't been established that force is necessary. This makes her the clear aggressor, but we have no reason why she's doing this other than 'looking for this lady.' Yang isn't dressed in a uniform, so we can't assume she's law enforcement, and that's before she shotgun-fists the club into smithereens.

She's punching down the whole time, and there no indication or backstory that makes it justified. We cheer at Batman punching mafia mooks because we know his tragic backstory and personal code, we know he's meticulous about info so he's not punching non-villains, he has a clear purpose in foiling a crime or acquiring information to foil a crime when he's doing it, and most importantly, while he is more skilled and better equipped than the mooks, he's still human. Yang exhibits clearly superhuman traits here, while none of her foes do, other than the ability to take shotgun blasts to the head at close range and not explode like ripe melons. It's never established that the club, the men, or Junior are criminals or otherwise 'acceptable targets.' She doesn't have a clear purpose as 'find mysterious lady' is awfully vague. We don't even know who she is until the very end of the trailer.

On top of this Batman's purpose is to stop crime. He doesn't enjoy the fights, they are necessary to his end goal. Yang's constant grin signals that she's loving every minute of beating on her lessers. And distinct from shonen protagonists who enjoy a fight like Goku - this isn't a fair or challenging fight. Yang is enjoying dominating the fight, not the thrill of a worthy opponent. How can any of them be her equal when she shits all over them with only a brief break in her stride, and the only injury being the loss of a lock of hair? This is more in line with Frieza's portrayal than Goku's.

Then there's the eyes going red with anger thing, which rarely signifies anything good, but we have no context for beyond the obvious.

There's nothing in this trailer that makes me think Yang is a good person. On a meta level, I know Yang is based on Goldilocks, and this fits perfectly. Goldilocks is a criminal asshole who feels she has the right to break into other people's houses, steal their food, smash their stuff and get off scot-free. This trailer actively portrays her as a powerful, sadistic, sociopath who enjoys abusing those weaker than her. The other trailers wisely give their girls something inhuman to fight against and show off - grimm wolves, giant statue, robots. Yang punches people and clearly enjoys it. And at this point in the show we don't even have a point of reference to know if people are resistant to cartoon violence or if the non-mook characters have superpowers. Because this is the first trailer to include multiple people. None of the others do, even Black is just Blake and Adam.

As for the rest of it, I can completely understand what the writers intended. What they actually showed us was something different. It's like the accidental incest vibe in Ben10. Yang is only nominally present for much of the show in the first two seasons. We have episodes following Ruby, Weiss, Blake, and Jaune even gets multiple episodes. Yang is mostly in the background if she's onscreen at all. We never get a hard multi-episode focus on Yang and her character in S1 or S2, and the two best 'focus' bits that reveal what she is like are the Yellow Trailer, and the bit in Burning the Candle. Burning the Candle is great. It's the Yang the writers were shooting for, keeping people at a distance with humor but secretly vulnerable and caring about her teammates. She's actually a decently complex character that isn't just bad puns and grins and shotgun punching. The rest of the show completely fails to set that bit up properly, since she's hardly there during most of it, but it's good.

The Yellow Trailer on the other hand, depicts at best, an uncaring bully who enjoys violence. At worst, a monstrous psychopath which would make more sense as the villain than Cinder. There are minor writing mistakes that could have been written off as nothing - Yang encouraging Jaune to keep trying to woo Weiss when it's clear she hates him, and later her clear enjoyment of the fact that his attempts bother Weiss. Ruby acting like an abuse victim from time to time, etc. They're not nearly as strong indicators without the Yellow Trailer giving a base to build the psychopath interpretation from, but they are there, and it's an interesting take on someone who's supposed to be one of the heroines.

For the record I've only seen the first two seasons, so I'll grant it's possible they recontextualize Junior and the assault on the club into something personal later with a flashback, but as of S2 that doesn't exist.
 
Yeah, it definitely looks like you dismissed context, given that as of her trailer, no context for her actions exists. And the Yellow Trailer is how we are introduced to her, so impressions here will color how one judges her actions later.

A summary of the Yellow Trailer when viewed in isolation, as it was originally:

An unknown girl shows up at a nightclub, somebody doubts she's age appropriate. She grabs him by the junk while smirking and demands info. She singsongs at the now named Junior and is clearly signposted to be playing with him. This extends to after she finds out he has no info to give and lets him go. The Junior's boys arrive, armed with axes and ready to defend him. She suckers him in with a promise to kiss and make up, which Junior actually takes - and then punches him in the face. When the boys rush her, she backflips and the camera deliberately slows down to show the blonde's eager smile. Blows all of them off their feet in a single punch, then dismantles them all while grinning. She's got shotgun fists, all the boys have axes. She easily handles them all and beats them down. One guy starts shooting at her from the DJ booth and she jumps up there and throws him off the balcony with a shotgun assisted throw. Two non-mook women show up, and blondie gets thrown for a single moment, but then returns and dismantles them too. Oh, and she breaks a bunch of shit in the club while fighting. She clearly outclasses them in raw power and skill. At this point Junior returns, rocket launcher in hand and fires a bunch of rockets at her, then smacks her with the launcher-bat. She then stands up, still smiling, and powers up, then beats the shit out of Junior. The big guy gets thrown back with his broken bat handle and a lock of her hair. She gets visibly mad for the first time, her eyes go red, and she rocket punches Junior out the window. When she hops out and sees Red girl, her eyes go back to purple, she calms instantly and we find out her name is Yang.

There is no context for this trailer other than 'this show is going to be about 4 color-themed girls.' This is part of the intro to RWBY, and we have has gotten the barest smidge of world info. We just watched someone who clearly outclassed every single person in that joint waltz in, demand information, and then beat up everyone in it for fun. Then when she loses a lock of hair in a fight she initiated, she gets extra mad and punches the info broker from the sizable club floor into the street. Even if we accept that nobody died because we didn't see any blood, cartoon physics in full effect and everyone walked away fine - Yang is thoroughly unlikable in this trailer. Other than 'this show is supposed to be about her.' there is zero signposting that she's intended to be a hero. In fact her singsonging, taunts, resorting to immediate and casual violence and constant grin as she wrecks a nightclub and beats multiple people into the ground are signposts I would expect from a villain.

She doesn't ask Junior first, and resort to harsh coercion when he rebuffs her, she leads with the ball vice. She isn't rebuffed at the door and have to punch her way in to see Junior. There's no obstacle that she needs to overcome by violence. She marches up to him, leans in and grabs his wedding tackle to force him to answer her question when it hasn't been established that force is necessary. This makes her the clear aggressor, but we have no reason why she's doing this other than 'looking for this lady.' Yang isn't dressed in a uniform, so we can't assume she's law enforcement, and that's before she shotgun-fists the club into smithereens.

She's punching down the whole time, and there no indication or backstory that makes it justified. We cheer at Batman punching mafia mooks because we know his tragic backstory and personal code, we know he's meticulous about info so he's not punching non-villains, he has a clear purpose in foiling a crime or acquiring information to foil a crime when he's doing it, and most importantly, while he is more skilled and better equipped than the mooks, he's still human. Yang exhibits clearly superhuman traits here, while none of her foes do, other than the ability to take shotgun blasts to the head at close range and not explode like ripe melons. It's never established that the club, the men, or Junior are criminals or otherwise 'acceptable targets.' She doesn't have a clear purpose as 'find mysterious lady' is awfully vague. We don't even know who she is until the very end of the trailer.

On top of this Batman's purpose is to stop crime. He doesn't enjoy the fights, they are necessary to his end goal. Yang's constant grin signals that she's loving every minute of beating on her lessers. And distinct from shonen protagonists who enjoy a fight like Goku - this isn't a fair or challenging fight. Yang is enjoying dominating the fight, not the thrill of a worthy opponent. How can any of them be her equal when she shits all over them with only a brief break in her stride, and the only injury being the loss of a lock of hair? This is more in line with Frieza's portrayal than Goku's.

Then there's the eyes going red with anger thing, which rarely signifies anything good, but we have no context for beyond the obvious.

There's nothing in this trailer that makes me think Yang is a good person. On a meta level, I know Yang is based on Goldilocks, and this fits perfectly. Goldilocks is a criminal asshole who feels she has the right to break into other people's houses, steal their food, smash their stuff and get off scot-free. This trailer actively portrays her as a powerful, sadistic, sociopath who enjoys abusing those weaker than her. The other trailers wisely give their girls something inhuman to fight against and show off - grimm wolves, giant statue, robots. Yang punches people and clearly enjoys it. And at this point in the show we don't even have a point of reference to know if people are resistant to cartoon violence or if the non-mook characters have superpowers. Because this is the first trailer to include multiple people. None of the others do, even Black is just Blake and Adam.

As for the rest of it, I can completely understand what the writers intended. What they actually showed us was something different. It's like the accidental incest vibe in Ben10. Yang is only nominally present for much of the show in the first two seasons. We have episodes following Ruby, Weiss, Blake, and Jaune even gets multiple episodes. Yang is mostly in the background if she's onscreen at all. We never get a hard multi-episode focus on Yang and her character in S1 or S2, and the two best 'focus' bits that reveal what she is like are the Yellow Trailer, and the bit in Burning the Candle. Burning the Candle is great. It's the Yang the writers were shooting for, keeping people at a distance with humor but secretly vulnerable and caring about her teammates. She's actually a decently complex character that isn't just bad puns and grins and shotgun punching. The rest of the show completely fails to set that bit up properly, since she's hardly there during most of it, but it's good.

The Yellow Trailer on the other hand, depicts at best, an uncaring bully who enjoys violence. At worst, a monstrous psychopath which would make more sense as the villain than Cinder. There are minor writing mistakes that could have been written off as nothing - Yang encouraging Jaune to keep trying to woo Weiss when it's clear she hates him, and later her clear enjoyment of the fact that his attempts bother Weiss. Ruby acting like an abuse victim from time to time, etc. They're not nearly as strong indicators without the Yellow Trailer giving a base to build the psychopath interpretation from, but they are there, and it's an interesting take on someone who's supposed to be one of the heroines.

For the record I've only seen the first two seasons, so I'll grant it's possible they recontextualize Junior and the assault on the club into something personal later with a flashback, but as of S2 that doesn't exist.
You got the order of events wrong, Juniors name was revealed before Yang started interrogating him and its noted that knowing him by that particular name is an exception, heavily implying he is more than just a regular bar tender/owner, and that she has clearly been doing some research or sleuthing to find him; add in that walking in we see the club is filled with already armed henchmen and it looks like an incredibly shady joint, more-so in many instances than say:

Which Batman trashes and or attacks the owner of, or visitors of all the time to the cheers and whoops of the audience because "Hooray vigilante violence and violent integration conducted by a maladjusted grown man who beats up would be crooks to cope with his own issues rather than get therapy and who has with tons of money and unchecked power and can kidnap and outright torture people!"

Yang then reveals he is meant to know everything, implying he's someone very well connected, that, with the previous context of the club being filled with openly armed personnel, who also wielded swords, looking like its in a somewhat rough neighborhood and the fact the owner has a nickname that people not in the know aren't meant to know, implies this is some form of criminal dive, or in other words

"A wretched hive of scum and villainy"

Context, as far as I am concerned, paints a pretty clear picture that this is a criminal operation, but hey, maybe that's just me.
Also if people flip out over this, why isn't Blake characterized as a massive criminal who just draws the line at mass murder?

Oh, and the club owner wanted to mack on a girl he knew was underage and surviving shot gun blasts to the face and fighting at the level of the twins and Junior make it clear, while not as good as Yang, they aren't weak, and are clearly superhuman given they casually dodge and deflect bullets.

Oh and as to Goku, you should watch the original Dragon Ball, that kid got a huge body count without even a care, like, all the time.
 
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I hope Sienna Khan comes back to life myself :D

Also hoping to find Cinder has passed on and that Emerald is being trained as her replacement.

And I desperately want Yang and Blake angst, drama and reconciliations, possibly with them beating up Adam.

Admittedly the same a bit with what you said with Yang and Blake, but I'm also hoping to see some general stuff and conversations between the entire team.

Also for some reason I'm weirdly picturing Weiss and Ilia as being good friends if we get interaction between them over S6.
 
Incorrect, you were given, for example, an explanation for why the laser pointer wasn't an issue and ignored how it was highlighted that Juniors a criminal
"It doesn't count because they're friends" and "Look he was a legitimate target" don't actually counter the point I was making, in that we've got a character who is signposted as initiating and enjoying a violent encounter where she effortlessly stomps all the opposition.

After she's already gotten her answer. Not in order to get her answer. Not because it's necessary to get her answer. But because it was an answer she didn't like.

And, like, this entire thing is a complete aside in the thread itself- As you'd know if you were willing to actually look at the thread instead of snipe from a distance about how terrible it must be to disagree with your character interpretation.
 
Admittedly the same a bit with what you said with Yang and Blake, but I'm also hoping to see some general stuff and conversations between the entire team.

Also for some reason I'm weirdly picturing Weiss and Ilia as being good friends if we get interaction between them over S6.
Yay, agreement!

Oh definitely, I want tons of RWBY interactions, feels and bonding time, the teams back together and they need the closure, closure for days, closure forever :)

I love this idea and not just cos I am a Prismatic Ponytails shipper XD I think there could be a lot of fun interactions there, and more Ilia = good to me. Plus there could be a fun pretense where Weiss wants to spar with someone who uses a similar weapon to her to get back into the swing of sword fighting. (I tend to assume she relied on summons so much in part because she hadn't had as much practice with her sword recently.)


"It doesn't count because they're friends" and "Look he was a legitimate target" don't actually counter the point I was making, in that we've got a character who is signposted as initiating and enjoying a violent encounter where she effortlessly stomps all the opposition.

After she's already gotten her answer. Not in order to get her answer. Not because it's necessary to get her answer. But because it was an answer she didn't like.

And, like, this entire thing is a complete aside in the thread itself- As you'd know if you were willing to actually look at the thread instead of snipe from a distance about how terrible it must be to disagree with your character interpretation.
You are mis-representing my response again:
You mean the leader of a criminal gang (Edit: and his minions) she was intimidating for information and who clearly wasn't that bothered by her actions given he tried to go in for a kiss on someone he acknowledged was under age moments later?

Also you cherry picked that, here's the whole quote:
Note the "Criminal and a jerk" thing and respond to the whole post next time.

Irritating Blake to get her away from the computer so Yang could approach her in private was strategic.

Also, just above this, I go into detail about the nature of Juniors bar and how its signposted as a hive of scum and villainy. If you're angry at Yang cos of that, then I certainly hope you extend this judgement to every other vigilante, action her ETC.

I explained why I won't visit the thread and also I don't "Snip from a distance" people from the thread came here to shit on characters I like and got countered, don't do that and (Cite the thread as a source) and guess what, I won't mention the thread. No one is sniping you, or the thread, people from the thread came here, you aren't victims, stop acting like it because I don't want to waste my time on another pointless reaction collective that by all indicators doesn't pay any attention to the show.
 
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I mean @Vindictus you're basically using the same logic that has people paint Sakura as violently abusive because she hits Naruto when he's being a moron. Like yes it'd be pretty horrible if in our world someone hit another hard enough to knock them to the ground, but in the context of a Shonen anime not only is that not even worth comment it's clearly not meant to be taken seriously as anything other than a funny moment of physical comedy. Yang's trailer is basically a slapstick routine. It's not meant to be looked at seriously.
 
You got the order of events wrong, Juniors name was revealed before Yang started interrogating him and its noted that knowing him by that particular name is an exception, heavily implying he is more than just a regular bar tender/owner, and that she has clearly been doing some research or sleuthing to find him; add in that walking in we see the club is filled with already armed henchmen and it looks like an incredibly shady joint, more-so in many instances than say:

Which Batman trashes and or attacks the owner of, or visitors of all the time to the cheers and whoops of the audience because "Hooray vigilante violence and violent integration conducted by a maladjusted grown man who beats up would be crooks to cope with his own issues rather than get therapy and who has with tons of money and unchecked power and can kidnap and outright torture people!"

Yang then reveals he is meant to know everything, implying he's someone very well connected, that, with the previous context of the club being filled with openly armed personnel, who also wielded swords, looking like its in a somewhat rough neighborhood and the fact the owner has a nickname that people not in the know aren't meant to know, implies this is some form of criminal dive, or in other words

"A wretched hive of scum and villainy"

Context, as far as I am concerned, paints a pretty clear picture that this is a criminal operation, but hey, maybe that's just me.
Also if people flip out over this, why isn't Blake characterized as a massive criminal who just draws the line at mass murder?

Oh, and the club owner wanted to mack on a girl he knew was underage and surviving shot gun blasts to the face and fighting at the level of the twins and Junior make it clear, while not as good as Yang, they aren't weak, and are clearly superhuman given they casually dodge and deflect bullets.

Oh and as to Goku, you should watch the original Dragon Ball, that kid got a huge body count without even a care, like, all the time.

Knowing his name and that he knows everything says 'connected' not 'criminal.' I'll admit I didn't even notice the axemen milling about in the background of the club. But they are on so briefly and their axes at the edges of the frame while Yang's face and the meeting with Torchwick are center frame drawing your eye away. Actually, come to think of it not a single one of the mooks drops their weapon at any point in this fight, they just might be rigged with the sword/axe as part of their body. At any rate, they aren't actively placed center shot until she grabs Junior. And their use as replacements for the black silhouettes only barely signposts anything being off about the club. The establishing shot of the outside fails to establish that it's in the bad part of town. There is zero graffiti, street corner loiterers, trash - the place is clean. Like, the only argument you could make that it's 'rough' is that it's near train tracks?

You've completely ignored a core point being that Yang takes obvious delight in the whole affair, and initiates it when she doesn't need to. Which is you know, a major difference from Batman. Ghoul King put it most succinctly elsewhere- we were intended to read this as Yellow Batman, but with the casual, joyful violence, what we get is Yellow Joker.

I suppose you can qualify the two non-mook ladies as superhuman, and maybe Junior? I think there's one shot where a bullet is deflected, but they don't exhibit super strength or glowing auras that make it obvious like Yang. And for the mooks, I can't automatically count 'surviving shotgun blasts' as a superpower because I don't at any point think she killed all the dudes. When she punches Junior he gets a halo of hearts while dazed - that's a fine signpost that some level of Looney Tunes physics are in play. And with toon physics in effect, ordinary dudes surviving shotgun blasts to the face is standard. But there hasn't been any build up or explanation as to why these guys deserve some buckshot kisses. they're at a club, and if you spot it, they have weapons. That's kind of it. they're not threatening people with them, they're not doing anything villainous except walking around, and the massive crowd of people seem pretty okay with them. She assaults Junior before asking her question, and then taunts him and sucker punches him after learning he can't help.

Ad I could make the assumption that casual violence like that is normal, except for the fact that Yellow is the last of the trailers, and in the other trailers, the characters react as if the things they are fighting are dangerous. Blake doesn't get painted as a horrible criminal because her trailer is her turning her back on being horrible. She does a bunch of property damage while serious faced, worriedly questions what they're doing and when she realizes this will kill people, she sabotages the mission leaving her partner behind. Her intro is her turning away from villainy. Yang's intro is her gleefully reveling in unnecessary violence, with multiple lingering shots of her grinning.

I've only seen scattered eps of the original DB. Isn't Goku being chased by an actual marauding army that is portrayed as evil on multiple occasions? Also turns into a giant ape with no control during the full moon. I am unsurprised if he has a body count. But I don't recall him being gleeful about it, and Goku is a literal child in the original DB.

I mean @Vindictus you're basically using the same logic that has people paint Sakura as violently abusive because she hits Naruto when he's being a moron. Like yes it'd be pretty horrible if in our world someone hit another hard enough to knock them to the ground, but in the context of a Shonen anime not only is that not even worth comment it's clearly not meant to be taken seriously as anything other than a funny moment of physical comedy. Yang's trailer is basically a slapstick routine. It's not meant to be looked at seriously.
Yeah, but Sakura's vindictive punches are always anime humor complete with ridiculous faces and different animation. Tsundere cartoon violence is a recognized convention and it's used properly in Naruto. In this, there's not nearly enough setup to show that Yang is righteous in totally dominating these peeps. There's dudes with weapons in the club... and that's it. Nobody tried to hinder Yang from getting in, she wasn't talked down to or dismisses out of hand - without a better establishing of the villainy, what she does looks like casual sadism instead of giving some terrible criminals what for. I 100% get what was intended. They just failed to set it up well.
 
Knowing his name and that he knows everything says 'connected' not 'criminal.' I'll admit I didn't even notice the axemen milling about in the background of the club. But they are on so briefly and their axes at the edges of the frame while Yang's face and the meeting with Torchwick are center frame drawing your eye away. Actually, come to think of it not a single one of the mooks drops their weapon at any point in this fight, they just might be rigged with the sword/axe as part of their body. At any rate, they aren't actively placed center shot until she grabs Junior. And their use as replacements for the black silhouettes only barely signposts anything being off about the club. The establishing shot of the outside fails to establish that it's in the bad part of town. There is zero graffiti, street corner loiterers, trash - the place is clean. Like, the only argument you could make that it's 'rough' is that it's near train tracks?

You've completely ignored a core point being that Yang takes obvious delight in the whole affair, and initiates it when she doesn't need to. Which is you know, a major difference from Batman. Ghoul King put it most succinctly elsewhere- we were intended to read this as Yellow Batman, but with the casual, joyful violence, what we get is Yellow Joker.

I suppose you can qualify the two non-mook ladies as superhuman, and maybe Junior? I think there's one shot where a bullet is deflected, but they don't exhibit super strength or glowing auras that make it obvious like Yang. And for the mooks, I can't automatically count 'surviving shotgun blasts' as a superpower because I don't at any point think she killed all the dudes. When she punches Junior he gets a halo of hearts while dazed - that's a fine signpost that some level of Looney Tunes physics are in play. And with toon physics in effect, ordinary dudes surviving shotgun blasts to the face is standard. But there hasn't been any build up or explanation as to why these guys deserve some buckshot kisses. they're at a club, and if you spot it, they have weapons. That's kind of it. they're not threatening people with them, they're not doing anything villainous except walking around, and the massive crowd of people seem pretty okay with them. She assaults Junior before asking her question, and then taunts him and sucker punches him after learning he can't help.

Ad I could make the assumption that casual violence like that is normal, except for the fact that Yellow is the last of the trailers, and in the other trailers, the characters react as if the things they are fighting are dangerous. Blake doesn't get painted as a horrible criminal because her trailer is her turning her back on being horrible. She does a bunch of property damage while serious faced, worriedly questions what they're doing and when she realizes this will kill people, she sabotages the mission leaving her partner behind. Her intro is her turning away from villainy. Yang's intro is her gleefully reveling in unnecessary violence, with multiple lingering shots of her grinning.

I've only seen scattered eps of the original DB. Isn't Goku being chased by an actual marauding army that is portrayed as evil on multiple occasions? Also turns into a giant ape with no control during the full moon. I am unsurprised if he has a body count. But I don't recall him being gleeful about it, and Goku is a literal child in the original DB.


Reorganizing my points doesn't disprove them, it just makes you look disingenuous, I covered how Junior being some kind of secret or hidden name that clearly required sleuthing to find out looks and sounds suspicious, especially given the locale and the company he's keeping.

You not noticing details isn't my or anyone else's fault than your own:

All three glowering at Yang after she walked in.

Also replacements for the silhouettes? The trailer has tons of them, you can see them in the above pic and on the dance floor.



Looks borderline cyber punk rough to me.

Joker mass murders civilians for a laugh, Yang beat up some gangsters whose boss she intimidated for info and who wanted to mack on someone he knew to be under age because said boss had just threatened her and they were surrounding her. Also, a character smirking in a fight is evil now? Better call the thread and tell-em Ruby is an animal abuser for smirking when she hurt those poor mutated wolves, she wondered into their forest after all, then ruthlessly murdered them with a smile! Seriously, you have to work so hard to ignore all the context that establishes this place is a hive of scum and villainy.


Deflecting a bullet

Fire claws
One also kicked Yang back by about 10 maybe 15 feet with one strike but the camera work doesn't make that easy to screencap. ANyway the twins are pretty overtly established as superhuman and also managed to smack Yang around a fair bit.

So you acknowledge "Looney Tunes physics" to allow for survival, but not for the heightened reality of an action series and the implicit impact that has on how the audience is expected to interpret the characters actions?

Again, built up hints this is a criminal operation, you missing that is not my fault, also he wanted to mack on an underage girl.

Because Blake never smirked or joker in her trailer while causing wanton property damage to a location we have no evidence deserves it or anything

Also again, heroes who enjoy their fights are a bad thing now? Plus she turned away from mass murder, for all you know she could have gone on to destroy more trains.

I've only seen scattered eps of the original DB. Isn't Goku being chased by an actual marauding army that is portrayed as evil on multiple occasions? Also turns into a giant ape with no control during the full moon. I am unsurprised if he has a body count. But I don't recall him being gleeful about it, and Goku is a literal child in the original DB.
Goku has little context for who the RR army are at first and he is also more than capable of stopping every last solider without killing them, instead he tears them apart without a care in massive numbers. Also, a teenager takes on a gang of criminals = "Evil" but a child murders hundreds of soldiers who can't even scratched him doesn't?

Yeah, but Sakura's vindictive punches are always anime humor complete with ridiculous faces and different animation. Tsundere cartoon violence is a recognized convention and it's used properly in Naruto. In this, there's not nearly enough setup to show that Yang is righteous in totally dominating these peeps. There's dudes with weapons in the club... and that's it. Nobody tried to hinder Yang from getting in, she wasn't talked down to or dismisses out of hand - without a better establishing of the villainy, what she does looks like casual sadism instead of giving some terrible criminals what for. I 100% get what was intended. They just failed to set it up well.
A did we ever see a bouncer, B, I explained how it was built up, you don't have to agree but I've not seen a particularly strong counter given you reorganized the order of my points and failed to address some of the stuff I highlighted as building up that these were criminals or just went "I didn't see them" which frankly, feels like you're fault, not mine, not the shows.


Also, adding onto this, if the trailer did somehow turn you off, her friendly greeting with Ruby and this:

Should have made it pretty clear what they were going for and nixed this "Psycho, abuser, awful person" yang BS in the bud, unless you were willfully ignoring, mis-representing or flanderising everything.

Seriously, look at this good bean, look at how proud she is her little sister got into the same Uni as her two years earlier and telling her how special she is!
 
Just going to drop my two cents but I do have to agree with a few of the others in that we are watching RWBY in the wrong context. See here is the thing Remnant is not meant to be a 1:1 copy of our world politically or socially just similarities, so alot of the characters actions taken place in story which may seem off to us would be there normal.
That's not a comforting thought. If Yang's actions in the Yellow trailer can be brushed off as a normal occurance, then life for the average person RWBY must be hell.
 
That's not a comforting thought. If Yang's actions in the Yellow trailer can be brushed off as a normal occurance, then life for the average person RWBY must be hell.
It canonically is, with Grimm and Bandits at the walls and superhumans running amok inside, it's just Attack On Titan with better PR for the soldiers.
 
There's dudes with weapons in the club... and that's it.
There's guys in matching suits and sunglasses and openly wielding hatchets in a public place. That's basically a cross of generic mafia button man and the Axe Gang from Kung Fu Hustle. These guys are so blatantly coded as organized crime enforcers that you'd have to be completely unfamiliar with film or television as a medium to not recognize it. Not immediately realizing that these were bad guys would be like being surprised that the character played by Jason Isaacs is a villain.

You can argue that Yang escalated a situation into a fight when it wasn't necessary, but you can't claim that we're not given any reason to think that these are bad guys. They're coded that way pretty much every way possible short of giving them goatees and British accents.
 
Look, live reactor fans. I may disagree with you or what you say is purported in your thread, but I certainly won't say you're not allowed to think/feel that, if that's your hot take on RWBY, then fine, as said I disagree but to each their own.

However, if you come into another thread and start posting stuff about Yang being an "Awful person" or a "psycho" or whatever else about her or any of the other characters, then you are going to get people who disagree with you, and because you came her and posted that, we aren't obliged to go and read the thread if we don't want to.

End result, everyone's entitled to their opinion and I certainly don't want to try and censor you, but depending on where you choose to place your platform, you are going to get feedback and its not going to always be in agreement with you, that's just how it is.
 
There's guys in matching suits and sunglasses and openly wielding hatchets in a public place. That's basically a cross of generic mafia button man and the Axe Gang from Kung Fu Hustle. These guys are so blatantly coded as organized crime enforcers that you'd have to be completely unfamiliar with film or television as a medium to not recognize it. Not immediately realizing that these were bad guys would be like being surprised that the character played by Jason Isaacs is a villain.

You can argue that Yang escalated a situation into a fight when it wasn't necessary, but you can't claim that we're not given any reason to think that these are bad guys. They're coded that way pretty much every way possible short of giving them goatees and British accents.
I think several of them have goatees actually. As does Junior.


Context, as far as I am concerned, paints a pretty clear picture that this is a criminal operation, but hey, maybe that's just me.
The DJ having a Tommy gun at hand at all times seemed a bit on the nose to me...




But hey, apparently having a random employee be heavily armed and used a weapon intristically tied to the bloody mafia was to subtle for some people.

Also Junior uses a bat which is also a weapon heavily coded as criminal due to how they often use it since it's easy to get and doesn't stand out much. Also he has a fucking bazooka.
 
I think several of them have goatees actually. As does Junior.



The DJ having a Tommy gun at hand at all times seemed a bit on the nose to me...




But hey, apparently having a random employee be heavily armed and used a weapon intristically tied to the bloody mafia was to subtle for some people.

Also Junior uses a bat which is also a weapon heavily coded as criminal due to how they often use it since it's easy to get and doesn't stand out much. Also he has a fucking bazooka.
But Mook, they're just harmless businesspeople defending their establishment and they only draw weapons after Yang attacked! :V
 
There's guys in matching suits and sunglasses and openly wielding hatchets in a public place. That's basically a cross of generic mafia button man and the Axe Gang from Kung Fu
And if that was somehow too subtle we see the shady looking guy talking to Junior rob a store alongside Junior's gangster-looking henchmen in the very next episode. You would think that the reasonable thing to do at that point would be to revise ones opinion of Yang if one somehow managed to miss the 108 signs that the people she fought where gangsters but apparently that's completely unreasonable. :eyebrow:


But Mook, they're just harmless businesspeople defending their establishment and they only draw weapons after Yang attacked! :V
Why they have so much weapons in the first place tho? :V
 
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