RWBY Thread III: Time To Say Goodbye

Stop: So gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
so gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
We get a lot of reports from this thread. A lot of it is just a series of people yelling at each other over arguments that have been rehashed hundreds of times since the end of the recent Volume. And I get that the last Volume - and RWBY in general, really - has some controversial moments that people will want to discuss, argue about, debate, etc.

That's fine. We're not going to stop people from doing that, because that's literally what the point of the thread is. However, there's just a point where it gets to be a bit too much, and arguments about whether or not Ironwood was morally justified in his actions in the recent Volume, or if RWBY and her team were in the right for withholding information from Ironwood out of distrust, or whatever flavor of argument of the day descend into insulting other posters, expressing a demeaning attitude towards other's opinions, and just being overall unpleasant. That tends to happen a lot in this thread. We want it to stop happening in this thread.

So! As of now the thread is in a higher state of moderation. What that means is that any future infractions will result in a weeklong boot from the thread, and repeated offenders will likely be permanently removed. So please, everyone endeavor to actually respect the other's arguments, and even if you strongly disagree with them please stay civil and mindful when it comes to responding to others.

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I'm just wondering where all the good choreography from the V5 teasers went.

I think we can confirm mercury will be fighting. He always absorbed the good choreography of the season.

Seriously though, the first couple of fights tend to be bad as do the last couple(Nuc fight) but we normally have a mid point surge.

Maybe it was cause Monty died? That being said V3 had that kick ass roman Neo double team.
 
Yeah, that whole fight seemed really weird. They were all so slow. Not to mention Blake kinda just standing there, barely moving, and her running off at the end just looked odd.
 
Regarding @Zam 's theory or suspicion of oz

Well this isn't a Direct spoiler this is informed by the latest episode. Basically think about it if you end up as one of the Cats Pause of to immortal demigods who are fighting a proxy Shadow War do you think that's the kind of fight or lifestyle that has a 401K retirement plan? That's a ride or die scenario

We know that Salem has propositioned and even subverted some of Oz's agents. Either the missions that summer rose ended up a part of or buy Oz's orders summer rose died. I don't think it was what made Raven leave but it's what's making her very very dedicated to trying to become a f a c t i o n number 3 but that's probably not a realistic option

While he may be considered about it to join Oz's side is to be more of a slave than a mercenary. You can't quit being one of Austin's agents because his enemy can literally hunt you down to the ends of the Earth and is the only person who can probably sensor causes interference in your life besides his own conscious. The opposite is also true. That may be why Raven hates both of them equally. Both of them run the risk of destroying or undermining or controlling her. Oz maybe a much more nicer and considerate master. But he will be her master none the less
 
Regarding @Zam 's theory or suspicion of oz

Well this isn't a Direct spoiler this is informed by the latest episode. Basically think about it if you end up as one of the Cats Pause of to immortal demigods who are fighting a proxy Shadow War do you think that's the kind of fight or lifestyle that has a 401K retirement plan? That's a ride or die scenario

We know that Salem has propositioned and even subverted some of Oz's agents. Either the missions that summer rose ended up a part of or buy Oz's orders summer rose died. I don't think it was what made Raven leave but it's what's making her very very dedicated to trying to become a f a c t i o n number 3 but that's probably not a realistic option

While he may be considered about it to join Oz's side is to be more of a slave than a mercenary. You can't quit being one of Austin's agents because his enemy can literally hunt you down to the ends of the Earth and is the only person who can probably sensor causes interference in your life besides his own conscious. The opposite is also true. That may be why Raven hates both of them equally. Both of them run the risk of destroying or undermining or controlling her. Oz maybe a much more nicer and considerate master. But he will be her master none the less
As Raven left well before Summer died, five years minimum I think, I doubt her death had much impact in that regard. I could see it maybe having added weight to her never wanting to go back, but I feel like that might have come up at this point if that were a big thing, then again, hidden reveals exist.

I'm a bit confused by the final paragraph, sorry.
 
You know, something about how Raven asked for Qrow to be killed made me think of something.

What if Raven killed Summer and Hazel line about having dealt with Silver Eyed Warriors before wasn't a reference to Summer?
 
You know, something about how Raven asked for Qrow to be killed made me think of something.

What if Raven killed Summer and Hazel line about having dealt with Silver Eyed Warriors before wasn't a reference to Summer?
While there being more silver eyed warriors is plausible, given Raven's plan is mostly just playing all sides against each other so she and hers can run off, I find it very unlikely she played a roll in killing Summer.
 
Ever since she first appeared, does anyone think Vernal sounds oddly nasally? It's not bad voice acting, it's just got this weird quality to it.
I've got my fingers crossed that the weird floaty fights since V4 are because of the switch to Maya, because I thought most of the combat in V3 was punchy and fast.
 
Oh nice, I was tired of lagging so I bit the bullet to get First... and it's a month free trial right now.
 
While there being more silver eyed warriors is plausible, given Raven's plan is mostly just playing all sides against each other so she and hers can run off, I find it very unlikely she played a roll in killing Summer.
Didn't she only just come up with that "plan" in the most recent episode?

On a side note I'm inclined to agree with Cinder. If she really wanted herself and her tribe of bandits to be left alone; then harboring a Maiden was a pretty dumb move. I mean she knows that both Ozpin and Salem are both after the Maidens. Then when she finds one she just decides to take her in? It was hardly out of the goodness of her heart, so presumably greed, arrogance or petty vindictiveness informed her actions; despite the fact that she had to know that doing so was painting a target on herself and her people in the long run.

Her plan isn't that impressive either. Steal an artifact to defend herself despite the fact that she knows nothing about how to use it, what it does or even if it has any offensive or defensive value in and of itself.
What she does know that in doing so she'd be painting an even bigger target on herself and her people than she did when she took in Vernal. Yet this is her plan?
 
Didn't she only just come up with that "plan" in the most recent episode?

On a side note I'm inclined to agree with Cinder. If she really wanted herself and her tribe of bandits to be left alone; then harboring a Maiden was a pretty dumb move. I mean she knows that both Ozpin and Salem are both after the Maidens. Then when she finds one she just decides to take her in? It was hardly out of the goodness of her heart, so presumably greed, arrogance or petty vindictiveness informed her actions; despite the fact that she had to know that doing so was painting a target on herself and her people in the long run.

Her plan isn't that impressive either. Steal an artifact to defend herself despite the fact that she knows nothing about how to use it, what it does or even if it has any offensive or defensive value in and of itself.
What she does know that in doing so she'd be painting an even bigger target on herself and her people than she did when she took in Vernal. Yet this is her plan?
Yes, but that's kind of my point, Raven wasn't active against Ozpin or Salem after leaving, she just wants to be left alone and when her hand is forced her plan basically seems to become "screw everyone over" especially as she kept information like Weiss & yang being present from Cinder and Co.

How do we know she doesn't know how to sue it or what it does? She literally said that she had discovered stuff outside of Ozpin's knowledge or jurisdiction over her to Yang when they spoke.
 
Didn't she only just come up with that "plan" in the most recent episode?

On a side note I'm inclined to agree with Cinder. If she really wanted herself and her tribe of bandits to be left alone; then harboring a Maiden was a pretty dumb move. I mean she knows that both Ozpin and Salem are both after the Maidens. Then when she finds one she just decides to take her in? It was hardly out of the goodness of her heart, so presumably greed, arrogance or petty vindictiveness informed her actions; despite the fact that she had to know that doing so was painting a target on herself and her people in the long run.

Her plan isn't that impressive either. Steal an artifact to defend herself despite the fact that she knows nothing about how to use it, what it does or even if it has any offensive or defensive value in and of itself.
What she does know that in doing so she'd be painting an even bigger target on herself and her people than she did when she took in Vernal. Yet this is her plan?
Yeah, taking in Vernal makes some sense , since having someone with her power would make it easier for her to defend herself and her tribe, but taking the artifact? Not a good idea
 
@Sweece
Yeah, I don't know what they're going for. Raven's first appearance made a great impression on me and I was keen to see what her next actions would be, but at I admit I was prepared for RT to drop the ball on her writing. I... think they're trying to make her seem calculating in her selfishness and also a fast-thinker as shown by her making this plan on the spot, but you've explained exactly why I think it falls flat. She seems to justify everything by saying it's for the good of her tribe but I can't tell if she actually believes this or is aware of her own hypocrisy because she snipes at Salem and co's willingness to use/drop people as if she doesn't do it herself. Also lol, sick burn at Cinder's name, but *cough* Raven, as you keep saying this season, Oz turned you into conveniently themed birds.
 
@Sweece
Yeah, I don't know what they're going for. Raven's first appearance made a great impression on me and I was keen to see what her next actions would be, but at I admit I was prepared for RT to drop the ball on her writing. I... think they're trying to make her seem calculating in her selfishness and also a fast-thinker as shown by her making this plan on the spot, but you've explained exactly why I think it falls flat. She seems to justify everything by saying it's for the good of her tribe but I can't tell if she actually believes this or is aware of her own hypocrisy because she snipes at Salem and co's willingness to use/drop people as if she doesn't do it herself. Also lol, sick burn at Cinder's name, but *cough* Raven, as you keep saying this season, Oz turned you into conveniently themed birds.
Yes, but her critique of Cinder was picking the name herself, Raven didn't pick her own name or transformation. Plus, as I noted above, I feel a lot of assumptions are being made regarding the 'stupidity' of Raven's plan, like assuming she doesn't know how to use the relics ETC.
 
Yes, but her critique of Cinder was picking the name herself, Raven didn't pick her own name or transformation. Plus, as I noted above, I feel a lot of assumptions are being made regarding the 'stupidity' of Raven's plan, like assuming she doesn't know how to use the relics ETC.
Other than this joke there's no reason to believe Cinder actually chose her own name and even so, this is the first time Raven has met Cinder so she wouldn't know anyway. It's a jab, even though Raven has an equally unsubtle name that fits her powers.
 
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