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RWBY Thread III: Time To Say Goodbye

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Stop: So gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
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    • so gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
    We get a lot of reports from this thread. A lot of it is just a series of people yelling at each other over arguments that have been rehashed hundreds of times since the end of the recent Volume. And I get that the last Volume - and RWBY in general, really - has some controversial moments that people will want to discuss, argue about, debate, etc.

    That's fine. We're not going to stop people from doing that, because that's literally what the point of the thread is. However, there's just a point where it gets to be a bit too much, and arguments about whether or not Ironwood was morally justified in his actions in the recent Volume, or if RWBY and her team were in the right for withholding information from Ironwood out of distrust, or whatever flavor of argument of the day descend into insulting other posters, expressing a demeaning attitude towards other's opinions, and just being overall unpleasant. That tends to happen a lot in this thread. We want it to stop happening in this thread.

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    • Pumparum said:
    Other than this joke there's no reason to believe Cinder actually chose her own name and even so, this is the first time Raven has met Cinder so she wouldn't know anyway. It's a jab, even though Raven has an equally unsubtle name that fits her powers.
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    Maybe, though given what Watts said she actually might have XD And ultimately, Raven still didn't choose to get the raven power, it was Ozpin's idea and, yeah, its snark.
     
    I think he was just rolling with the general intention to imply Cinder's a selfish egomaniac with two nobodies. I wonder what Mercury was going to say though, Emerald's just a thief but Merc's dad was notable enough for Cinder to try recruiting him in the first place before finding his lifeless corpse.

    God, with the writers I can never tell what's a subtle callback or just a happy coincidence and to be honest it doesn't give me much confidence.
     
    Pumparum said:
    I think he was just rolling with the general intention to imply Cinder's a selfish egomaniac with two nobodies. I wonder what Mercury was going to say though, Emerald's just a thief but Merc's dad was notable enough for Cinder to try recruiting him in the first place before finding his lifeless corpse.

    God, with the writers I can never tell what's a subtle callback or just a happy coincidence and to be honest it doesn't give me much confidence.
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    Maybe, but ultimately, the bird thing wasn't Raven's idea, going after Fall was, so I still feel it works as a jab and don;t feel the "Raven your name is just as silly" works, but that's just me.

    I figured he was going to mention Yang myself, but that relies on them knowing the relation.
     
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    Since Raven portaled over to Qrow I hope Raven gets to interact with Ruby and the others. Though I see Raven either being an utter ass towards Ruby or barely giving her the time of day.
     
    So I have a pretty straightforward theory on how and why Raven took in Vernal.

    She sympathizes with the girl. She probably wanted to be strong so she could be her own person(in spite of maidenhood) and either had it thrust upon her unwillingly or without full knowledge of what it entailed.

    Also makes me think that Raven being upset about the bird might be less the power itself and more 'now I'm marked as one of yours, forever!' And all she really wanted to do was kill people and live in the woods so that's a major downer.

    Anyone else seeing Emerald dying this season? She isn't in the intro anymore, RT mentioned plans for mercury but not for EM, and her bit as a morality chain makes her perfect to die with Cinder going full Sith.

    Would actually love if she hesitated to kill someone and that's what did her in. Especially if it was one of the main crew.

    Then again the writings always kind of shoddy so who even knows?!
     
    Zam said:
    As Raven left well before Summer died, five years minimum I think, I doubt her death had much impact in that regard. I could see it maybe having added weight to her never wanting to go back, but I feel like that might have come up at this point if that were a big thing, then again, hidden reveals exist.

    I'm a bit confused by the final paragraph, sorry.
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    Fair enough
    While he may be considerate about it, to join Oz's side is to be more of a slave than a mercenary.

    You can't quit being one of Ozpin's agents because his enemy can literally hunt you down to the ends of the Earth and is the only person/thing who can probably censor Oz's interference and his control of your life besides his own conscience. The opposite is also true. That is the case for Salem's agents. That may be why Raven hates both of them equally. Both of them run the risk of destroying or undermining or controlling her. Oz maybe a much more nicer and considerate master user. .But he will be her master use her none the less

    Ride of Die, not just you but every life you build or touch.

    As I indicated I don't think Oz possibly killing Summer by using her or punishing her for possible turncoatedness (the whole issue of not the only of Ozpin's agents and lieutenants comes up this episode reframing their relationship and thus the issues of them) caused Raven to leave. But its what is keeping her away. Working for Oz is a death sentence with no victory in sight.
     
    Darmani said:
    Fair enough
    While he may be considerate about it, to join Oz's side is to be more of a slave than a mercenary.

    You can't quit being one of Ozpin's agents because his enemy can literally hunt you down to the ends of the Earth and is the only person/thing who can probably censor Oz's interference and his control of your life besides his own conscience. The opposite is also true. That is the case for Salem's agents. That may be why Raven hates both of them equally. Both of them run the risk of destroying or undermining or controlling her. Oz maybe a much more nicer and considerate master user. .But he will be her master use her none the less

    Ride of Die, not just you but every life you build or touch.

    As I indicated I don't think Oz possibly killing Summer by using her or punishing her for possible turncoatedness (the whole issue of not the only of Ozpin's agents and lieutenants comes up this episode reframing their relationship and thus the issues of them) caused Raven to leave. But its what is keeping her away. Working for Oz is a death sentence with no victory in sight.
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    On the first segment, I can definitely see Raven feeling that way and it motivating her action.

    Did you mean Raven over Summer? But yes that does seem to be her view on things.
     
    Zam said:
    On the first segment, I can definitely see Raven feeling that way and it motivating her action.

    Did you mean Raven over Summer? But yes that does seem to be her view on things.
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    No I did mean summer. That is to say if she was an agent of Oz s either associating with him or as Punisshment for turning coat or possibly waffling in her dedication she was killed.

    Summer died cuz she was oz's agent
     
    Q99 said:
    What if Summer was Salem's agent?
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    Okay but seriously that would be somewhat insane given what we know about her, plus you would think that Raven would have at least hinted at this when Yang brought up Summers name during there conversation since Raven was trying to convince Yang to stay with her and away from Ozpin/Qrow.
     
    Darmani said:
    No I did mean summer. That is to say if she was an agent of Oz s either associating with him or as Punisshment for turning coat or possibly waffling in her dedication she was killed.

    Summer died cuz she was oz's agent
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    An interesting idea, I have toyed with concepts similar, though somewhat less... malicious, on Opzins part, though still super shady.
     
    Q99 said:
    What if Summer was Salem's agent?
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    That might be my point. We know that Salem tries to subvert agents of Oz. Either she was subverted at one point or very likely was set on a mission 4 Ozpin. We know Oz was opposing Salem. That led to Summer's death.

    The issue is there's no real escape from the conflict and the entities running it and thus your life You can't retire, like in the army OR as a Hunter would be able, from Ozpin's secret service, even if there's something else you want to do with your life. Often inductions will involve some sort of permanent alteration to you.
     
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    [FIRST] Volume 5, Chapter 10: True Colors
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    • Volume 5, Chapter 10: True Colors is up for FIRST members.

    Decently long ish episode at almost 20 minutes.

    Leo has called Qrow and the others to meet him. His excuse is he made a breakthrough with the council, we all know the real reason.

    Qrow and Ozpin are suspicious. Good lads.

    Mama Belladonna knocks out Yuma with a serving tray.

    Blake tries not to hurt Ilia, but when she takes the stops out it's an uncontested stomp.

    Ghira gets stabbed in the back by one of the twins and shrugs it off like a boss.

    Sun crushes Ilia into a column and nearly kills her, subsequently bringing the overhead down onto his own head when she escapes, but Daddy Belladonna does a BEAST MODE interrupt and holds up the falling thing long enough for him to escape.

    Dumb Twin decides to go for one more try at killing Ghira and charges him while he's holding all that weight.

    Blake takes objection to that idea and pulls her dad out with Gambol Shroud's ribbon, leaving Dumb Twin to his well earned crushing death.

    Ilia saves Ghira from the other, now enraged twin with the use of her lightning whip. Congrats to those who wanted a redemption arc for her. Looks like you will get it.

    And then Blake makes a speech on the steps of her destroyed home, and now she has an army looking to follow her to Mistral.

    "And Hell came with her", indeed.
     
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    • Shadows said:
    Volume 5, Chapter 10: True Colors is up for FIRST members.

    Decently long ish episode at almost 20 minutes.

    Leo has called Qrow and the others to meet him. His excuse is he made a breakthrough with the council, we all know the real reason.

    Qrow and Ozpin are suspicious. Good lads.

    Mama Belladonna knocks out Yuma with a serving tray.

    Blake tries not to hurt Ilia, but when she takes the stops out it's an uncontested stomp.

    Ghira gets stabbed in the back by one of the twins and shrugs it off like a boss.

    Sun crushes Ilia into a column and nearly kills her, subsequently bringing the overhead down onto his own head when she escapes, but Daddy Belladonna does a BEAST MODE interrupt and holds up the falling thing long enough for him to escape.

    Dumb Twin decides to go for one more try at killing Ghira and charges him while he's holding all that weight.

    Blake takes objection to that idea and pulls her dad out with Gambol Shroud's ribbon, leaving Dumb Twin to his well earned crushing death.

    Ilia saves Ghira from the other, now enraged twin with the use of her lightning whip. Congrats to those who wanted a redemption arc for her. Looks like you will get it.

    And then Blake makes a speech on the steps of her destroyed home, and now she has an army looking to follow her to Mistral.

    "And Hell came with her", indeed.
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    Perhaps Raven informed Qrow about Leo's new master when she went to see him??
     
    On the night vision thing.

    While Blake can see in the dark, its still liable to be easier to see in a brightly lit room where there's a variety of colors, shades, ETC.

    That is to say, Ilia can blend in more easily in the darkness than she can in a bright area so while Blake can 'see' she's still going to struggle ot see her more.
     
    Sorry for the double post, doing a cross post from SB.

    You know, I had a thought last night about some of the issues people have noted with the fight scenes and it occurs to me.

    Yes, Monty Oum was basically a one of a kind workaholic genius with a very distinct style that is hard to match.

    But there's something else as well I feel.

    Namely, RWBY was his show, his idea, and while the writing was mostly handed over to others, commentary and interviews imply he had tons of freedom with making the fight scenes and he'd know the characters abilities better than anyone, and while sometimes they apparently needed to say "Scale it back they probably shouldn't be able to do that yet" I'd say overall he had tons of freedom and control.

    Now I can't claim to know how things are running in RT right now, but based on my studying these animation and story boarding workflows, I'd say there's some big differences to the standard operating procedures and 'Insert awesome Monty Oum fight sequence here". Namely, it takes a lot longer to plan this stuff out, one person have control of an entire fight more or less or entirely, allows for great focus and no real issues with say, confusion or forced cooperation and that's without even getting into the planning stages and who may be writing the fight scenes now.

    Put simply, while the workload is huge, a project creator and singular fight choreographer is going to have a lot more free time, room and less restrictions than a small team of people who aren't the creators of the show and characters.
     
    Yea, being creator and choreographer in one was a really unique situation. I wish the teams would tune things up a bit more on the smaller fights, but I also get the difference in workflow.


    -Blake takes objection to that idea and pulls her dad out with Gambol Shroud's ribbon, leaving Dumb Twin to his well earned crushing death.-

    Here's a thought- I'm not 100% sure if crushing alone would kill him, depending on how strong his aura is...

    .... but the dust in his weapons exploded. Dead.
     
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