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RWBY Thread III: Time To Say Goodbye

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Stop: So gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
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    • so gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
    We get a lot of reports from this thread. A lot of it is just a series of people yelling at each other over arguments that have been rehashed hundreds of times since the end of the recent Volume. And I get that the last Volume - and RWBY in general, really - has some controversial moments that people will want to discuss, argue about, debate, etc.

    That's fine. We're not going to stop people from doing that, because that's literally what the point of the thread is. However, there's just a point where it gets to be a bit too much, and arguments about whether or not Ironwood was morally justified in his actions in the recent Volume, or if RWBY and her team were in the right for withholding information from Ironwood out of distrust, or whatever flavor of argument of the day descend into insulting other posters, expressing a demeaning attitude towards other's opinions, and just being overall unpleasant. That tends to happen a lot in this thread. We want it to stop happening in this thread.

    So! As of now the thread is in a higher state of moderation. What that means is that any future infractions will result in a weeklong boot from the thread, and repeated offenders will likely be permanently removed. So please, everyone endeavor to actually respect the other's arguments, and even if you strongly disagree with them please stay civil and mindful when it comes to responding to others.

    In addition, users should refrain from talking about off-site users in the thread. Bear in mind that this does not mean that you cannot continue to post tumblr posts, for example, that add onto the discussion in the thread, with the caveat that it's related to RWBY of course. But any objections to offsite users in the thread should be handled via PM, or they'll be treated as thread violations and infracted as such.
     
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    • That is entirely dependent on the direction writers decide on. Could go from no difference because her hard drive was untouched, to serious damage/corruption to her memories.

    Of course, if she's drastically different, they might as well make a new robot, and say something along the lines of "the body is easy to restore, tje soul remains a mystery"
     
    Zerohour said:
    That is entirely dependent on the direction writers decide on. Could go from no difference because her hard drive was untouched, to serious damage/corruption to her memories.

    Of course, if she's drastically different, they might as well make a new robot, and say something along the lines of "the body is easy to restore, tje soul remains a mystery"
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    This is pretty much where I fall on this. Penny's status is in kind of a Schrodinger's Cat state, where she could be perfectly alive with the need for any magical resurrection fantasy B.S., or she could be "dead" because her robot parts are gone, or she could be "dead" because her robot parts could be fixed but her soul couldn't be, and the writers could go any direction with it as the plot demands without it being stupid or forced in any way. (As opposed to Roman, Pyrrha, or Yang's arm, which would require comic-book nonsense and establish a firm dead =/= gone status into the narrative.)
     
    I disagree about Roman. Doubt he's coming back, but his return is the easiest to justify. We saw him get swallowed whole, with his weapon, so it isn't much of a stretch for him to blast his way out of its belly, especially since we have seen people jump into a Grimm's mouth to hurt them better.

    Unrelated thought: How is Bullying a thing at Beacon? You only get in by being a badass, so why does Velvet let Cardin treat her like that?
     
    Zerohour said:
    Unrelated thought: How is Bullying a thing at Beacon? You only get in by being a badass, so why does Velvet let Cardin treat her like that?
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    Because there's four of them and one of her.

    And Velvet was originally going to be a throw-away character meant to expose the audience to some of the racism Faunus experiance, so Coco and the rest of the team didn't exist yet.
     
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    shenron said:
    Because there's four of them and one of her.

    And Velvet was originally going to be a throw-away character meant to expose the audience to some of the reacism Faunus experiance, so Coco and the rest of the team didn't exist yet.
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    Was Velvet's status as a second year student made before or after that episode aired?
     
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    Unrelated thought: How is Bullying a thing at Beacon? You only get in by being a badass, so why does Velvet let Cardin treat her like that?
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    Much like others have said, the situation of dealing with aggressive bullying bigots are different to dealing with monsters everyone hates and you're paid to kill.

    Its similar to the Weiss & Jac situation. Yes Weiss probably could snap his neck with ease, but he's still the one who she's been consciously and subconsciously trained to regard as a powerful authority figure all her life, he's still the one with all the legal and social power, making him a psychologically imposing threat if not a physical one.

    In a similar vain, Velvet would know and it was demonstrated, that as a Faunus she's pretty isolated from sympathy of support when those treating her poorly are human, which gives CDRL confidence and the weight of society and culture's acceptance for their behaviour to back them up which would undermine Velvet's confidence and willingness to fight back.

    Additionally, she can respond violently to Grim because killing them is part of the job, doing so to another person is starkly different and by virtue of being a Faunus, she's pretty much got the scales of responses tilted against her already. If she fights back she's more likely to get in trouble or be seen as the problem compared to CDRL, who can get away with, well everything we saw them doing blatantly and in the open largely without comment.

    In many respects, Velvet is probably used to this kind of treatment, if perhaps not often so extreme, and is socialised to tolerate it rather than fight back, especially considering what people associate Faunus fighting back against mistreatment with.

    Its an incredibly isolating and helpless feeling, along with them being extremely intimidating and offensive, which would only make it more upsetting.
     
    More importantly, why is bullying a thing in a world where negative emotions will have your town eaten by creatures made of pure hate.

    I mean, sure, they're in a town there so they're safe from it, but it seems like something that would be ingrained in their culture, especially since if it wasn't there wouldn't be a culture given they'd all be dead.
     
    Renu said:
    More importantly, why is bullying a thing in a world where negative emotions will have your town eaten by creatures made of pure hate.

    I mean, sure, they're in a town there so they're safe from it, but it seems like something that would be ingrained in their culture, especially since if it wasn't there wouldn't be a culture given they'd all be dead.
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    I think you may be overstating the emotional response range of the Grimm. It took a kingdom that had a recent Grimm attack, with the majority watching their Olympics seeing a popular young hero turn around and blow off another young heroes leg for no reason, and the Grimm from that didn't even breach the walls. One person being bullied, even several hundred, don't seem likely to pull in the numbers needed for people to have just stopped being jerks.

    Essentially, yes Grimm are drawn to negative emotions, but they're also hostile to people in general and, for example, despite exhausted and frustrated by Nora's antic Ren didn't have Grimm clawing at his back, so their range and response time is probably tied to more extreme emotions and in larger quantities, or its more like scent or great hearing for sniffing out hidden prey in most circumstances.
     
    Renu said:
    More importantly, why is bullying a thing in a world where negative emotions will have your town eaten by creatures made of pure hate.
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    I can't help but imagine that somewhere in RWBY, there's a city where people have to take something along the lines of the Joy pills from We Happy few.
     
    There's a reason I think he might show up again. Since he sounded like he was working for Cinder out of necessity, he could easily just be lying low to keep Cinder and Salem from coming after him.

    They don't really have a reason to, since they got...whatever it was they needed from Beacon, but he didn't survive by taking foolish risks, you know? Might even be working towards revenge if he's got a good reason for it. The idea of Roman showing up out of th eblue with a ton of stolen weaponry to wreck Salem's forces is kind of awesome.
     
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    firefossil said:
    This is troubling. While in the grand framework of society, Monty Oum may not have been especially important, he was and is not replaceable. We do not have any spare high school drop-outs that then become self-taught 3D animators who reverse engineer models out of games and create awesome fight choreography with them. He is it. We can replace a CEO, or a politician, or a professional athlete, or a leading actor, its a loss, but there is always more talent where that came from. We can't replace Monty. Self-taught geniuses and self-made professionals are rare in any discipline...
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    I just love this post because it's so true
     
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