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RWBY Thread III: Time To Say Goodbye

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Stop: So gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
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    • so gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
    We get a lot of reports from this thread. A lot of it is just a series of people yelling at each other over arguments that have been rehashed hundreds of times since the end of the recent Volume. And I get that the last Volume - and RWBY in general, really - has some controversial moments that people will want to discuss, argue about, debate, etc.

    That's fine. We're not going to stop people from doing that, because that's literally what the point of the thread is. However, there's just a point where it gets to be a bit too much, and arguments about whether or not Ironwood was morally justified in his actions in the recent Volume, or if RWBY and her team were in the right for withholding information from Ironwood out of distrust, or whatever flavor of argument of the day descend into insulting other posters, expressing a demeaning attitude towards other's opinions, and just being overall unpleasant. That tends to happen a lot in this thread. We want it to stop happening in this thread.

    So! As of now the thread is in a higher state of moderation. What that means is that any future infractions will result in a weeklong boot from the thread, and repeated offenders will likely be permanently removed. So please, everyone endeavor to actually respect the other's arguments, and even if you strongly disagree with them please stay civil and mindful when it comes to responding to others.

    In addition, users should refrain from talking about off-site users in the thread. Bear in mind that this does not mean that you cannot continue to post tumblr posts, for example, that add onto the discussion in the thread, with the caveat that it's related to RWBY of course. But any objections to offsite users in the thread should be handled via PM, or they'll be treated as thread violations and infracted as such.
     
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    • Kind of disappointing that after all the wait, what we get is "wait one more week, please." Only so much waiting I could take, RT. Especially since I have to be away and cannot connect to the internet at all for two weeks starting this Tuesday.

    Really hoping that one day they could actually reach anime length episodes because I don't think these 15-minutes long episodes isn't enough for the stories they are trying to tell.
     
    That Weiss's choice of lyrics were not commented on by her father or any of the guests does not imply an attentive audience. Jacques was probably listening for the sound of applause instead. FFS every single one of these shit head guests makes you want to slap them.

    Henry may have sunk NeptunexWeiss by highlighting how shallow both of them were in the past, unless Neptune magically gains some character depth offscreen. Goddamn dude the answer was literally engraved on the plaque in front of you!

    Is that the Boarbatusk she killed in Port's class? Weiss accidentally sics it on the rich asshole she was yelling at but Irondaddy pardons the guilty party with his mancannon.

    Ruby does not understand travel distance. Another fucked up village ahead? JAUNE DID YOU JUST DROP THE FUCKING MAP

    Ren came from (and was presumably orphaned due to) another ambitious settlement project that went the way of Mt Glenn, but Nora didn't know. The Oniyuri construction site seems pretty big as they keep walking in and seeing more buildings instead of the exit.

    Did they pick up the map yet tho. Gonna have a whole lot of backtracking if they didn't.

    Fight scene was competent, blows had weight but the choreography had no real impressive moments due to curbstomp. There was just no time for intricate combos when Tyrian was able to take every member of RNJR out in 2-3 blows. Teamwork was definitely better than in the Petra Gigas fight though. Qrow will hopefully give us that sweet uninterrupted 1v1 action we've been craving.

    Tyrian's scorpion tail explains his derpy stationary crouching position in the OP- with his tail animated, it's actually an attacking position. His tail attacks look much better in full motion than the two seconds they showed in the OP. I know he's supposed to be a scorpion but for some reason his theme music makes me think Nutcracker soldier.

    What is so interesting about Jaune. What do you see with ur faunus eyes Mr. Bad Touch.

    I can't tell if Ren was stung or not- if he was it would explain why Nora dropped out of the fight to support him. Tyrian's eyes went purple when he tries to sting Ruby and he was trying to capture her. I think his eyes may represent what venom gland is active in his tail. Purple == sleeptime, Gold == no venom?

    Edit: watching again, it seems Ren went down hard after a mundane blunt hit not a stinger attack.

    Miles and Kerry, every time you insist on stuffing a conversation into the middle of a fight a puppy dies. This was only barely excusable because Tyrian was toying with them. The exposition has been delivered, please do not interrupt Qrow v. Tyrian.
     
    MinorGryph said:
    What is so interesting about Jaune. What do you see with ur faunus eyes Mr. Bad Touch.
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    Might be related to his Semblence since we have no idea what it is or what it can do, that or Juane is still keeping secrets and his family is a much bigger deal then we were led to believe.

    Also as much as I like Qrow helping the Team by keeping the Grimm at bay I feel that they would have gained some better combat and teamwork experience had they fought the Grimm that Qrow killed
     
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    Chapter 5 thoughts:
    * Someone said Qrow's eyes as a bird aren't red. This is false.

    * Qrow started from the same village as RNJR, and Tyrian showed up after RNJR left. How did Tyrian catch up with RNJR before a guy who can turn into a bird? Did Qrow take a different path to make a wide sweep of the area ahead?

    * Ren could hear or sense someone coming, but not from which direction. Not enough evidence to confirm if a Semblance was involved, though if it can't even tell which direction a threat is coming from, it would seem pretty poor.

    * When Tyrian's first move was to charge directly at Ruby, Ren aggressively intercepted.

    * In the third shot of Qrow blocking the hit for Ruby, for a split second you can see Tyrian's confused expression; his eyes returned to being yellow.


    * Ren suggests that it was just one Grimm that spooked the people of Oniyuri into abandoning the place; aside from one VERY small set of claw marks (too small for a Beowolf's paw) there was no apparent damage to the place.

    * Ruby asks "One?" and I love it. It's such a subtle way of reinforcing the fact that Grimm generally come in groups, and single Grimm usually aren't that dangerous... especially not to a fortified settlement that large.

    * Could this one Grimm still be around? Was it the source of that hoof-print back in the last destroyed town? Was that one Grimm alone the one who destroyed that village?

    * Ren is confirmed to be of Mistralian descent. Since Mistral is the "Eastern/Asian" place, this aligns with his Chinese appearance and name. Not so much his fighting style, unless one of his parents lived long enough to teach him at least the basics? He seems to have grown up on Sanus with Nora, since only Jaune properly returned the village chief's gesture of respect.

    * Ren didn't know the village was Oniyuri; he was either too young to know where it was in relation to the rest of the world before he left it, or he was born after his parents left it. It's possible that his parents survived long enough to move to Sanus, where Ren grew up knowing Nora, only for Nora's village to get attacked. Ren's parents died that time, along with Nora's. But despite growing up together, Nora never heard Ren talk about Oniyuri because he'd never actually known the place. He just heard his parents tell him about it.

    * What was the post-Great War government of Mistral doing that pissed their richest people off enough to convince them to take the risk of trying to build a new kingdom? Was this after Menagerie won the Faunus Rights Revolution? Were the rich people angry that their government was making concessions to the faunus?

    * Time-mark 4:58. After Ruby steps through that gate, a wind picks up and stirs up what appears to be a lot of small black feathers. If Jaune was wrong about the town being abandoned because of Grimm, and Ren actually meant "bandits", then Raven's feathers would have long been gone. Qrow had, presumably, not been to this village ahead of time. Grimm feathers probably disappear faster than their corpses. So, what then?

    * The first rich lady says "no one asked them to move here", but it's not clear if she's talking about faunus, or people from Mantle. However, it is possible that Mantle has a considerable faunus population, with most of the humans moving out to make a new home in Atlas.

    * More evidence that summons can pop up on their own and have their own minds. Weiss was surprised when her last summoning glyph appeared, and didn't seem aware of what the knight's arm was doing.


    Ryuugi: Vale had a militia of volunteer civilians as well as contracted hunters to man their border defenses.

    The Breach happened in the middle of a spat of Vytal Festival missions in which many of Beacon's professional hunters were leaving the city with teams of students. FURTHER, it's possible that normally, Vale DOES have internal war ships patroling the city itself, but with the Atlas fleet parked there, Vale decided to make use of their presence and moved all of their forces to border defense.

    Vale didn't survive for so long by accident. Its defenses failed because of a number of very deliberate factors stacked on top of each other.

    Cinder used a master criminal and a terrorist organization to deplete the city of Dust and to drive up Grimm-baiting tensions within the population. Those tensions only got worse with an unprecedented level of terrorism by the White Fang with the Breach. Salem might have even been letting up on Grimm populations in other parts of the world in order to put more pressure on Vale.

    I don't think Atlas' consolidation of forces is the objectively superior way to survive in Remnant; just the best way for humanity to survive in Solitas, with its own unique geographical situation.
     
    Well, Tyrian just became a lot more charismatic on the screen. He looks better with the long coat, too, it gives him a certain presence.

    Seems pretty clear to me he's hamming it up partly because he knows it creeps others out. Also genuine religious devotion? romantic? to Salem. Curious.

    He's brutal in a fight, but I get the impression he couldn't fight very well with others. Fight scene was quite solid, but I've noticed a shift away from combos to individual strikes. No particular opinion one way or the other there - it's still neat, though I miss the Monty-style extended beatdowns they also do mean less focus can be paid to any one hit.

    Nora's feral grin was great. I've always liked the idea that she's a mix of joyful and angry in a fight.

    Liked Weiss' section, painful though it was. James was carrying his pistol even in high society to no one's concern - further confirmation open carry is normal in Remnant or at least expected from Huntsmen?

    Finally, some Ruby-centric stuff?

    I have a gloomy feeling that Ruby is going to be taken by Tyrian and, quite possibly, the rest of RNJR badly wounded or separated from her. To bring Ruby directly into the monsters' den.
     
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    The businessman talking to Papa Schnee after Weiss's concert is voiced by KaiserNeko of TeamFourStar!
     
    I think it was an intentional of Jacques's controlling and domineering assholery that he grabbed Weiss to control her over something really stupid and petty first, before she started yelling at people and someone could make the argument "He's just trying to make her be sensible" because he isn't, he's just exerting control anyway he can and will do so for the most inane reasons such as "My daughter was not standing next to me silently".
     
    You know, people have been complaining about how lien works because they looked like plastic credit cards in previous Volumes. Looking at Chapter 5, they look more like they're made out of cardboard similar to playing cards.

    Also, I just realized: Ghira used to lead the White Fang, an activist group fighting for equal rights for a disadvantaged minority that took a more violent turn as time went on... and he's named after Bagheera from The Jungle Book.

    He's a black panther.
     
    Ughhh. The more the White Fang seem to be coded as a Black Panthers analogue, the more aware I am that they're very poor at being that.
     
    Imrix said:
    Ughhh. The more the White Fang seem to be coded as a Black Panthers analogue, the more aware I am that they're very poor at being that.
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    Eh. Modern day, to me the White Fang seems more and more like the Nation of Islam, which is essentially a hate group built on black supremacy (and antisemitism) that tries to brand itself as fighting for the rights of the disadvantaged group and kind of does, but is very violent and extreme about it and has weird, cultish overtones to it. And despite that, the Nation of Islam has 20-50,000 members as of 2007 and has its own newspaper.
     
    Leingod said:
    Eh. Modern day, to me the White Fang seems more and more like the Nation of Islam, which is essentially a hate group built on black supremacy (and antisemitism) that tries to brand itself as fighting for the rights of the disadvantaged group and kind of does, but is very violent and extreme about it and has weird, cultish overtones to it. And despite that, the Nation of Islam has 20-50,000 members as of 2007 and has its own newspaper.
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    That's how I see it, too, especially given the piggybacking of their group off a more reasonable but still militant group and the quasi-religious overtones.
     
    The difference between the Faunus and Islam is that Islam makes up nearly a quarter of humanity. Faunus are different races, Islam is a religion.

    The Nation of Islam, outside of America, has absolutely no relevance. Like jack shit relevance. You can ask a hundred thousand Muslims about the Nation of Islam and nobody will know what you're talking about. Most would likely mistaken the organisation as a translation for Ummah.

    I hate it when people compare the Faunus to the Nation or anything Islam related. It's incredibly American-centric and does a disservice to Muslims when compared to a bunch of animal-people made in some American anime.

    Stop it. It gets fucking annoying.
     
    Hykal94 said:
    The difference between the Faunus and Islam is that Islam makes up nearly a quarter of humanity. Faunus are different races, Islam is a religion.

    The Nation of Islam, outside of America, has absolutely no relevance. Like jack shit relevance. You can ask a hundred thousand Muslims about the Nation of Islam and nobody will know what you're talking about. Most would likely mistaken the organisation as a translation for Ummah.

    I hate it when people compare the Faunus to the Nation or anything Islam related. It's incredibly American-centric and does a disservice to Muslims when compared to a bunch of animal-people made in some American anime.

    Stop it. It gets fucking annoying.
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    The Nation of Islam isn't considered Muslim at all by most Muslims who know about it. It's a bunch of crazy people calling themselves Muslim. Elijah Muhammad claimed black people in America were descendants of a tribe called the Shabazz, who... well:

    "...who is this tribe of Shabazz? Originally, they were the tribe who came with the earth (or this part) 66 trillion years ago when a great explosion on our planet divided it into two parts. One we call earth and the other moon. This was done by one of our scientists, God, who wanted the people to speak one language, one dialect for all, but was unable to bring this about."
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    And the founder, Wallace Fard Muhammad, taught that the original people were black and that white people are a "race of devils" created by a scientist named Yakub (i.e. Jacob from the Bible) on the Greek island of Patmos.

    So yeah, no, they're not Muslims, they're a bunch of f*cking crazy people and a pseudo-cult.

    And the religion part wasn't even part of the argument I was making. I was talking about its methods, rhetoric, and the cultish overtones it seems to have taken on in Menagerie.
     
    Leingod said:
    they're a bunch of f*cking crazy people and a pseudo-cult.
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    I'm suddenly reminded of Scientology.

    Anyway this topic seems to be straying from RWBY a fair bit, lots of organisations like the WF cultivate a cult mentality, providing a sense of community (however messed up ) is a big part of how lots of groups like this get people in and keep them loyal and personally invested.

    I am still hoping Sienna Khan is more pragmatic myself, though it may be completely unfounded, but I'd like some WF who aren't genocidal, mooks, or cult folks., but still aren't on the heroes side.
     
    Leingod said:
    And the religion part wasn't even part of the argument I was making. I was talking about its methods, rhetoric, and the cultish overtones it seems to have taken on in Menagerie.
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    Right, got a bit too emotional there. Apologies.

    Then wouldn't the Taliban be a better analogue? I take issue with the NOI comparison because it's tiny. I doubt ISIS knows about them. The Taliban however is a much bigger and noticeable threat, better compared to the White Fang.
     
    Could we maybe not start the "What are the WF an analogue to" discussion? there's been and still are lots o violent groups who have "insert Z ideology/method" so pin pointing the specific one feels kind of... unnecessary and potentially loaded.
     
    Hykal94 said:
    Then wouldn't the Taliban be a better analogue? I take issue with the NOI comparison because it's tiny. I doubt ISIS knows about them. The Taliban however is a much bigger and noticeable threat, better compared to the White Fang.
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    The White Fang are weird, honestly. They don't really make a very good parallel with any human extremist group that I know of. Like, some Islamic extremists come closer than the Black Panthers, but my understanding is that a lot of those groups trace their origins back to internal Muslim politics, like the assassination of Egyptian Prime Minister Mahmoud an-Nukrashi Pasha and the ensuing retaliation.

    But while that has the right notes of an otherwise peaceful movement undergoing rapid radicalisation, it was in response to a government crackdown. Meanwhile, the sudden aggression of the White Fang seems to have come about through a slow buildup of frustrations culminating in an internal leadership change. It's almost like the rise of Donald Trump, except with overt militancy instead of just political rhetoric.

    The point is, the White Fang are their own thing. Every time I've tried to find a parallel in human history, or seen somebody else try the same, it's run into sharp differences that ruins the analogy. The White Fang seem to honestly just be... Well, the White Fang.

    In light of that, I'm inclined to agree with Zam; the amount of digging necessary to figure out who the White Fang are an analogue to, with the potential arguments about real-world politics and authorial intent/talent, just doesn't seem worth it to me.
     
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    Since I've saw Tyrian's scorpian tail I've been wondering if some faunus face a lot more discrimination that others. It seems fairly plausible to me that "cute" faunus like Blake, Sun, Velvet and Neon are a lot closer to full equality than poor bastards like Tyrian with his Scorpian tale or lizard tale guy or snake skin kid.
     
    blast flame said:
    Since I've saw Tyrian's scorpian tail I've been wondering if some faunus face a lot more discrimination that others. It seems fairly plausible to me that "cute" faunus like Blake, Sun, Velvet and Neon are a lot closer to full equality than poor bastards like Tyrian with his Scorpian tale or lizard tale guy or snake skin kid.
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    While I could definitely see that I do feel CDRL's treatment of Velvet would hint that being 'cute' or more mammalian is not an inherent advantage. Still, based on Qrow's dialogue regarding how gross he apparently found someone regrowing a tail it does seem plausible.
     
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