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RWBY Thread III: Time To Say Goodbye

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Stop: So gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
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    • so gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
    We get a lot of reports from this thread. A lot of it is just a series of people yelling at each other over arguments that have been rehashed hundreds of times since the end of the recent Volume. And I get that the last Volume - and RWBY in general, really - has some controversial moments that people will want to discuss, argue about, debate, etc.

    That's fine. We're not going to stop people from doing that, because that's literally what the point of the thread is. However, there's just a point where it gets to be a bit too much, and arguments about whether or not Ironwood was morally justified in his actions in the recent Volume, or if RWBY and her team were in the right for withholding information from Ironwood out of distrust, or whatever flavor of argument of the day descend into insulting other posters, expressing a demeaning attitude towards other's opinions, and just being overall unpleasant. That tends to happen a lot in this thread. We want it to stop happening in this thread.

    So! As of now the thread is in a higher state of moderation. What that means is that any future infractions will result in a weeklong boot from the thread, and repeated offenders will likely be permanently removed. So please, everyone endeavor to actually respect the other's arguments, and even if you strongly disagree with them please stay civil and mindful when it comes to responding to others.

    In addition, users should refrain from talking about off-site users in the thread. Bear in mind that this does not mean that you cannot continue to post tumblr posts, for example, that add onto the discussion in the thread, with the caveat that it's related to RWBY of course. But any objections to offsite users in the thread should be handled via PM, or they'll be treated as thread violations and infracted as such.
     
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    • Triggerhappy said:
    Like I said, this is the thing that irks me the most. Not hacking the robots from their command station. Taking the ship in the fireplace. It just seems like the command ship would have specialists stationed on board. Enough to at least put up a fight.

    And Neo, while deadly, clearly isn't that amazing. Ruby was able to defend herself for a whole half minute. Prodigy or not that isn't a great showing for the ice cream.
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    How do we know Neo wasn't screwing with Ruby? She seemed to be playing with Yang as well in their fight. Though even without that I tend to regard RWBY battles as also being one's of 'type advantages" that is to say certain weapons, skill-sets, Dust and Semblances work better against some opponents than others, so in that context Ruby is 'better' for fighting Neo than Yang simply because she's much faster. Plus, again, Neo's meant to be stronger than Mercury and he was able to take out his apparently renowned assassin dad while seemingly having had his legs replaced, Atlas can have specialists and adult Hunters but if they're the equivalent of a grown up CDRL, fighting Neo who's likely the equivalent of a grown up Pyrrha (in terms of skill and power) then the battles still going to be one-sided.
     
    MinorGryph said:
    I like Cinder's writing but I dislike her VA.
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    I'm not going to lie. Cinder is the weak link as an antagonist. I don't think she's as weak a link as some people claim but the plotting (probably penultimate) mastermind is a character that's hard to do well. It would have been helped immensely by showing her compensating for kinks and setbacks in the plan rather than muttering how this 'changes nothing' is 'all according to plan' 'etc etc'.

    But mostly she's the least relatable of her team and that's all she wrote.

    Mercury is bloodthirsty, amoral, and probably in it for the money. Roman and Neo like mayhem and were gunning to survive the coming storm. Emerald doesn't feel she owes the world a thing but regards Cinder as giving her a higher purpose. You could probably write a sob story for each of them, you don't have to and I don't think you need to, their motives remain both villainous and reasonable given the type of people they are.

    Then you get to Cinder and we really don't know her motive because it's obfuscated by her schemes for sake of plot. That can be done well. But it's hard. And I think RWBY fell on its face on this more than any other decision.
     
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    Zam said:
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    There were grim flying literally all over the place. And I can't imagine either Roman or Neo had any delusions that they were 'friendly'. Neo might screw around but I'd have expected Roman to be holding her leash to finish up quickly this time. Especially after Ruby has been a problem for him four times previously.
     
    Triggerhappy said:
    I'm not going to lie. Cinder is the weak link as an antagonist. I don't think she's as weak a link as some people claim but the plotting (probably penultimate) mastermind is a character that's hard to do well. It would have been helped immensely by showing her compensating for kinks and setbacks in the plan rather than muttering how this 'changes nothing' is 'all according to plant' 'etc etc'.

    But mostly she's the least relatable of her team and that's all she wrote.

    Mercury is bloodthirsty, amoral, and probably in it for the money. Roman and Neo like mayhem and were gunning to survive the coming storm. Emerald doesn't feel she owes the world a thing but regards Cinder as giving her a higher purpose. You could probably write a sob story for each of them, you don't have to and I don't think you need to, their motives remain both villainous and reasonable given the type of people they are.

    Then you get to Cinder and we really don't know her motive because it's obfuscated by her schemes for sake of plot. That can be done well. But it's hard. And I think RWBY fell on its face on this more than any other decision.
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    I can sort of see where you're coming from, though I don't entirely agree, but yes her vagueness for me was irritating as I don't like that kind of writing but I also know that Cinder has no logical reason to explain her motives or plans to people she either plans to kill off or who already know and if they're hugely important to some plot twist, as annoying as it might be, hiding them makes sense.

    As for her 'every things according to plan' I tend to feel that's a bit overstated as Roman's first big heist at the end of season 1 definitely wasn't in the plan but so long as he got away all it meant was he had to try, and try again. Beyond that her plans are so broad and distant from her that its not surprising any more they seem to work well as she doesn't need to do much beyond freak people out and break things. Though even then I tend to think some of its her keeping up appearances, like when she discovered Penny, she only vaguely hinted at her minions that there was a change in plans rather than explain or discuss it which to me says she's always, to a degree, acting calm and in control.

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    There were grim flying literally all over the place. And I can't imagine either Roman or Neo had any delusions that they were 'friendly'. Neo might screw around but I'd have expected Roman to be holding her leash to finish up quickly this time. Especially after Ruby has been a problem for him four times previously.
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    I don't know about that, I mean, the Grim weren't attacking Roman or Neo at first, or the ship and chances are Cinder had to offer some insurance they wouldn't die by letting the Grim in. I agree Roman is less inclined to screw around than Neo, which is part of why despite loving his monologue I dfund it frustrating, but he's probably feeling on top of the world right now, he's out of prison, has a lot of venting to do and he's winning.
     
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    I don't know about that, I mean, the Grim weren't attacking Roman or Neo at first, or the ship and chances are Cinder had to offer some insurance they wouldn't die by letting the Grim in. I agree Roman is less inclined to screw around than Neo, which is part of why despite loving his monologue I dfund it frustrating, but he's probably feeling on top of the world right now, he's out of prison, has a lot of venting to do and he's winning.
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    Point.
     
    Ok I was at work for the stream was Roman and penny confirmed dead? Like they flat out stated it or was it heavily implied?
     
    revanninja said:
    That makes no sense though he had to have full aura and he had his weapon with him and it wasnt like he was chewed it swallowed him whole. He could have blasted his way out.
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    Grimm have consistent durability inside and out. Blasting his way out would likely blow him to pieces before it killed the Griffon, and then he'd just get picked off by the other Griffons or crushed in the crash.
     
    JarringToaster said:
    His cane isn't really that powerful compared to all of the other weapons that serve as guns. Either way, he's dead.
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    Wait...who said it? Because Miles and Kerry lie often.
    So I am wondering if this is a joke because the way they "Killed" him is so....lame its not even funny if the dragon had snapped him up I would be more okay with it.
    MinorGryph said:
    Grimm have consistent durability inside and out. Blasting his way out would likely blow him to pieces before it killed the Griffon, and then he'd just get picked off by the other Griffons or crushed in the crash.
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    You got the durability inside from where? Because as far as I am aware that NEVER comes up.
    Also we are talking about people who take fireballs to the face and come out fine so I am more then a little skeptical that a griffin eats roman and then promptly gets kicked into the SIDE of a ship by a girl who roman was beating senseless without any trouble.

    I think ladies and gentlemen Kerry or Miles lied about his fate and we will see him in the final.
     
    revanninja said:
    Wait...who said it? Because Miles and Kerry lie often.
    So I am wondering if this is a joke because the way they "Killed" him is so....lame its not even funny if the dragon had snapped him up I would be more okay with it.

    You got the durability inside from where? Because as far as I am aware that NEVER comes up.
    Also we are talking about people who take fireballs to the face and come out fine so I am more then a little skeptical that a griffin eats roman and then promptly gets kicked into the SIDE of a ship by a girl who roman was beating senseless without any trouble.

    I think ladies and gentlemen Kerry or Miles lied about his fate and we will see him in the final.
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    Said ship also fell quite a bit and blew up.
     
    You know, if he is dead I wonder if that means other promoted from background characters will be falling back like CFVY and JNPR, neither group was meant to get as much focus as they did initially so maybe they'll fall further back now?
     
    Zam said:
    You know, if he is dead I wonder if that means other promoted from background characters will be falling back like CFVY and JNPR, neither group was meant to get as much focus as they did initially so maybe they'll fall further back now?
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    If I recall, JNPR was always meant to be something akin to the other main team.
     
    JarringToaster said:
    He was a villain who was only supposed to last one volume. He was lucky to live to Volume 3.
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    A villain that was extremely popular and fun to listen to. Its not that they killed him that annoys me and thinks they are lying its the WAY they did it. Its just too lame for such a fun character.

    Zam said:
    You know, if he is dead I wonder if that means other promoted from background characters will be falling back like CFVY and JNPR, neither group was meant to get as much focus as they did initially so maybe they'll fall further back now?
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    CFVY might but not JNPR
    JNPR has gotten more then it was suppose to but it was ALWAYS going to be B team from other streams. So chances are good it wont fall back too much background for them to do it
     
    Something to keep in mind (especially given the finale's title of "The End of the Beginning") is that "volumes" is a meaningful choice of name for the yearly installments of the series--in a sense, these first three volumes comprise what would be one season of a more professional show. It's not unexpected that a villain only have presence in just one season of a show; this also explains a lot of the pacing and structural issues the show's faced over the past three years.
     
    JarringToaster said:
    If I recall, JNPR was always meant to be something akin to the other main team.
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    From my understanding that only popped up later and the initial plan was for them to be more like CFVY.

    revanninja said:
    JNPR has gotten more then it was suppose to but it was ALWAYS going to be B team from other streams. So chances are good it wont fall back too much background for them to do it
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    That's sort of what I mean, I'm wondering if they'll slide back to their original planned amount of screen time and plot presence VS what they had for the last two seasons. In some respect the third has kind of done that anyway.
     
    revanninja said:
    You got the durability inside from where? Because as far as I am aware that NEVER comes up.
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    Yang fires a large number of shotgun shells directly into the V1 Nevermore's open beak without any effect. This implies the inside is not a weak point in comparison to the outside.

    Besides which they're solid red all the way through on the inside and its unconfirmed whether they eat or not. Torchwich might have just been crushed to a paste in the Griffon's beak, we don't see a stomach cavity when Qrow bisects a smaller one.
     
    Zam said:
    From my understanding that only popped up later and the initial plan was for them to be more like CFVY.
    That's sort of what I mean, I'm wondering if they'll slide back to their original planned amount of screen time and plot presence VS what they had for the last two seasons. In some respect the third has kind of done that anyway.
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    No they were planned early I remember a stream where monty thought up the team shortly after he created team RWBY
    And the plan was ALWAYS meant for them to show the difference between what is Normal IE JNPR and what was not IE RWBY its WHY they show up so early.
    And I feel the teams will become MORE muddied now since at least for a bit team RWBY will be out of action with Yang's arm and Blake suffering wounds.
    MinorGryph said:
    Yang fires a large number of shotgun shells directly into the V1 Nevermore's open beak without any effect. This implies the inside is not a weak point in comparison to the outside.

    Besides which they're solid red all the way through on the inside and its unconfirmed whether they eat or not. Torchwich might have just been crushed to a paste in the Griffon's beak, we don't see a stomach cavity when Qrow bisects a smaller one.
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    :rolleyes:
    That isnt proof that just means Yang was firing shells down its throat to hurt it not that its STOMACH is as strong as its skin. Also we didnt see an effect not that there wasnt one key difference there. Also if I recall right it wasnt to no effect in fact I just looked your point is wrong.

    As you can see it DID work.

    Considering it ATE him and not tore him apart chances are good they have stomachs and the red thing is graphic limitations and them not wanting to animate all the gore inside a body.
    Also speaking as a former bird owner here BEAKS dont work that way. Seriously they dont Birds that eat things that need to be crushed like nuts have a gizzard which is like a second stomach that contains rocks or hard material they use to crush things.
    Beaks are good at CRACKING things which is not what we saw happen with Roman.
     
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