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RWBY Thread III: Time To Say Goodbye

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Stop: So gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
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    • so gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
    We get a lot of reports from this thread. A lot of it is just a series of people yelling at each other over arguments that have been rehashed hundreds of times since the end of the recent Volume. And I get that the last Volume - and RWBY in general, really - has some controversial moments that people will want to discuss, argue about, debate, etc.

    That's fine. We're not going to stop people from doing that, because that's literally what the point of the thread is. However, there's just a point where it gets to be a bit too much, and arguments about whether or not Ironwood was morally justified in his actions in the recent Volume, or if RWBY and her team were in the right for withholding information from Ironwood out of distrust, or whatever flavor of argument of the day descend into insulting other posters, expressing a demeaning attitude towards other's opinions, and just being overall unpleasant. That tends to happen a lot in this thread. We want it to stop happening in this thread.

    So! As of now the thread is in a higher state of moderation. What that means is that any future infractions will result in a weeklong boot from the thread, and repeated offenders will likely be permanently removed. So please, everyone endeavor to actually respect the other's arguments, and even if you strongly disagree with them please stay civil and mindful when it comes to responding to others.

    In addition, users should refrain from talking about off-site users in the thread. Bear in mind that this does not mean that you cannot continue to post tumblr posts, for example, that add onto the discussion in the thread, with the caveat that it's related to RWBY of course. But any objections to offsite users in the thread should be handled via PM, or they'll be treated as thread violations and infracted as such.
     
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    • Honestly the "But opinions!" thing really only stretches so far when someone both tries to argue their opinion to convince others, argue their opinion is actually fact and also has to blatantly misrepresent things shown on screen in order to support their 'opinion'. Which is all too common with the Complainer Crowd and why I don't take them seriously.
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    I need to note again, literally no one in WBY has nay idea what is going on when they walk into this, they see Ruby beat up on the floor, a bunch of confusing chaotic shit and then Ruby drinks some tea and disappears. They did not walk into this situation aware of anything that transpired in that room up to this point and expecting them to act on information they don't have is stupid.
     
    Dextixer said:
    As far as the Yang is worse sister than Azula. Yea. That is a shit take. But you yourself are saying that its shite without making implications about the person making it. Which in my opinion is more than fine. It was a shit take to compare Yang to Azula - Who tried to kill her sibling multiples times and Darkfire - Someone who sold her sister to slavery.
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    Now okay most of the time the character of the person in question doesn't need to be called out. But sometimes I feel it's a perfectly valid thing. Take Adam fans for an example. Adam is a horrific person, his VA finds him loathsome. If someone 100% without Irony says "Adam was done dirty" Or "Adam should have been a hero" or biggest of all "Ilia stole Adam's plot". I feel like the character of the person is something that can be called into question because show went out of it's way to make it clear he was a vile, manipulative, sociopathic creep. At best they want Adam to be something he has literally never been from moment one, at worst...It says some very toxic things about the person's ideas of relationships and how to treat people.
     
    Teen Spirit said:
    Now okay most of the time the character of the person in question doesn't need to be called out. But sometimes I feel it's a perfectly valid thing. Take Adam fans for an example. Adam is a horrific person, his VA finds him loathsome. If someone 100% without Irony says "Adam was done dirty" Or "Adam should have been a hero" or biggest of all "Ilia stole Adam's plot". I feel like the character of the person is something that can be called into question because show went out of it's way to make it clear he was a vile, manipulative, sociopathic creep. At best they want Adam to be something he has literally never been from moment one, at worst...It says some very toxic things about the person's ideas of relationships and how to treat people.
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    All of this, like, if someone says "In my opinion Adam was never actually the bad guy before V3 retconned and ruined him!" then actually that person is just wrong (Also usually way more whiny and rude than I just wrote). Adam was introduced as a mass murdering liar who blows up civilians and tries to make his partner who was not onboard with that part of said mass murder, looming over her when she expressed confusion cos this is not what they planned.

    Adam was a bastard from the moment he was introduced, if someone is of the opinion he got changed or "ruined" then they are wrong, no if's and or but's, reality is not on their side, he was never not a murderous, lying piece of shit who Blake needed to escape, that's literally his introduction. Anyone who says he was changed isn't just 'having an opinion' they are either lying or they're wrong.
     
    Teen Spirit said:
    Now okay most of the time the character of the person in question doesn't need to be called out. But sometimes I feel it's a perfectly valid thing. Take Adam fans for an example. Adam is a horrific person, his VA finds him loathsome. If someone 100% without Irony says "Adam was done dirty" Or "Adam should have been a hero" or biggest of all "Ilia stole Adam's plot". I feel like the character of the person is something that can be called into question because show went out of it's way to make it clear he was a vile, manipulative, sociopathic creep. At best they want Adam to be something he has literally never been from moment one, at worst...It says some very toxic things about the person's ideas of relationships and how to treat people.
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    Can be. But in a limited way. Because the argument they are making can have nothing to do with defending Adam or their character qualities. I am of the opinion that assuming a persons internal views over singular arguments is not a great thing, especially when some people distort those arguments just to create a way to insult the person. I have experienced it before. It is an annoyance to be called things you are not because someone is looking at your take and is assuming things about you.

    If we take Adam for example. You can say they are wrong. Go ahead. But to then make judgments of their character over that is... Not a good thing and can result in very bad outcomes.
     
    Adam's problem is that his sickass character design invited people to project their fantasy antihero chunni selves on him. So they got really personally invested in him.

    Maybe it was the waist coat :V
     
    Zam said:
    Honestly the "But opinions!" thing really only stretches so far when someone both tries to argue their opinion to convince others, argue their opinion is actually fact and also has to blatantly misrepresent things shown on screen in order to support their 'opinion'. Which is all too common with the Complainer Crowd and why I don't take them seriously.

    I need to note again, literally no one in WBY has nay idea what is going on when they walk into this, they see Ruby beat up on the floor, a bunch of confusing chaotic shit and then Ruby drinks some tea and disappears. They did not walk into this situation aware of anything that transpired in that room up to this point and expecting them to act on information they don't have is stupid.
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    WBY come into a room with injured Ruby and NEO, someone who tried to kill Ruby standing over Ruby. People are not expecting the team to act on info they dont have. They are expected to act on seeing NEO standing over an injured Ruby. One does not need to be aware of what transpired before to see this as a situation to act.
     
    I do not know if this is appropriate, so please do tell me if this needs a removal, but happy Easter everyone!

    To celebrate, i wish you all lots of Yeggs

     
    Zam said:
    Heartbreak:

    View: https://www.tumblr.com/yangsbandana/714045207228923904/deeply-upset-by-this-frame-where-everyone-else-is
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    Next episode I see Yang either going despondent or completely apeshit, no in-between.

    Zam said:
    Three Times:

    View: https://www.tumblr.com/someidiotwithalaptop/714068943697068032/three-times-ruby-has-been-offered-ascension-in
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    It's one of those case where it'll be interesting to rewatch the season one it's over to catch on all those little details. Retrospectively, the first real hint that there was something wrong with CC (that we missed because of everything that was happening) was when they overwrote that bird guy's purpose on the fly to fight the Jabberwalker to the death, they basically mind controlled and sacrificed one of their fellow Afterian. (since the bird was devoured by the Jabberwalker).
     
    ElMariachi said:
    It's one of those case where it'll be interesting to rewatch the season one it's over to catch on all those little details. Retrospectively, the first real hint that there was something wrong with CC (that we missed because of everything that was happening) was when they overwrote that bird guy's purpose on the fly to fight the Jabberwalker to the death, they basically mind controlled and sacrificed one of their fellow Afterian. (since the bird was devoured by the Jabberwalker).
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    At the time, I wondered if the Cat gave the Hawker some courage, given the danger the Jabberwalker posed to the whole town. Then when Jaune revealed details like Lewis, just what happened to the Hawker as well became an important question. That said though, I gave CC the benefit of the doubt, given how much of an unreliable narrator Jaune clearly was in that episode, and how we've seen characters with trauma be unreliable narrators before. (Blake, Weiss, Oz, Raven, Tai and Qrow, the list goes on...). Now I'm wondering if that was the writers intention with CC, to have a wretched character hiding behind the illusion of trauma.
     
    ElMariachi said:
    It's one of those case where it'll be interesting to rewatch the season one it's over to catch on all those little details. Retrospectively, the first real hint that there was something wrong with CC (that we missed because of everything that was happening) was when they overwrote that bird guy's purpose on the fly to fight the Jabberwalker to the death, they basically mind controlled and sacrificed one of their fellow Afterian. (since the bird was devoured by the Jabberwalker).
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    Yeah, I think a few of us brought it up at the time, but we really glossed over that, huh? lol
     
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    Bitch got himself eaten because in the end, he was nothing but a cowardly lackey. And in pursuit of vengence on the wrong person, Neo stole the relic from Oscar, endangering the entire planet, then gleefully helped murder a lot of people, then sabotaged the evacuation effort, got herself screwed over by the most obvious betrayal of the show, and got herself and RWBYJ stranded in the Ever After. Rubys 'oh fuck right off' was a balm to the soul.
     
    Matrix Dragon said:
    Bitch got himself eaten because in the end, he was nothing but a cowardly lackey. And in pursuit of vengence on the wrong person, Neo stole the relic from Oscar, endangering the entire planet, then gleefully helped murder a lot of people, then sabotaged the evacuation effort, got herself screwed over by the most obvious betrayal of the show, and got herself and RWBYJ stranded in the Ever After. Rubys 'oh fuck right off' was a balm to the soul.
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    It's even better when you consider Ruby's first words reveal, she wanted it to be something more.

    Like, to Ruby it had to be something more. Maybe Neo was a Salem loyalist all al9ng or something.

    The fact it all comes down to some petty, if theatrical, thief she fought all of three times three years ago...
     
    buli-buli said:
    The fact it all comes down to some petty, if theatrical, thief she fought all of three times three years ago...
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    A petty thief who was too cowardly to defy a terrorist, so he went along with the destruction of Beacon. All that death, all that destruction, because he was a coward... and she was too selfish to admit his fate was his own doing.

    And then, after she'd dedicated herself to that selfish cause, spurned all those chances to walk away... she had nothing left, and suffered one of the worst fates possible because of it.
     
    ElMariachi said:
    Next episode I see Yang either going despondent or completely apeshit, no in-between.


    It's one of those case where it'll be interesting to rewatch the season one it's over to catch on all those little details. Retrospectively, the first real hint that there was something wrong with CC (that we missed because of everything that was happening) was when they overwrote that bird guy's purpose on the fly to fight the Jabberwalker to the death, they basically mind controlled and sacrificed one of their fellow Afterian. (since the bird was devoured by the Jabberwalker).
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    Nah, the first warning flag was in episode 4, when Blake says "Yeah, but [Alyx] learned her lesson in the end, right?" and CC responds with the most sinister "I'd certainly say so." Their voice drops an octave, their face turns briefly mean, and they aren't even looking at RWBY+Little. Honestly, that was the first clue we got off the Cat's bitterness.
     
    CatOnTheWeb said:
    Nah, the first warning flag was in episode 4, when Blake says "Yeah, but [Alyx] learned her lesson in the end, right?" and CC responds with the most sinister "I'd certainly say so." Their voice drops an octave, their face turns briefly mean, and they aren't even looking at RWBY+Little. Honestly, that was the first clue we got off the Cat's bitterness.
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    Even that, you could explain away, with guilt, or trauma... I'm so used to deeper villains, I kept downplaying the possibility of CC being simply cruel. And I wonder if that was because Neo was the other Volume villain. That I was assuming that her attitude of 'vengeance and damn anyone else but me' would have a counterpoint with some more depth...
     
    CatOnTheWeb said:
    Nah, the first warning flag was in episode 4, when Blake says "Yeah, but [Alyx] learned her lesson in the end, right?" and CC responds with the most sinister "I'd certainly say so." Their voice drops an octave, their face turns briefly mean, and they aren't even looking at RWBY+Little. Honestly, that was the first clue we got off the Cat's bitterness.
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    That could had been chalked up to the fact that Alyx was a mean person in the fairy tale and/or general EA alien fae morality, although retrospectively that was indeed the first sign of CC's malevolence.
    But the thing with Hawker was the first time he did something that was wrong, even if that was to help the heroes.
     
    Matrix Dragon said:
    Even that, you could explain away, with guilt, or trauma... I'm so used to deeper villains, I kept downplaying the possibility of CC being simply cruel. And I wonder if that was because Neo was the other Volume villain. That I was assuming that her attitude of 'vengeance and damn anyone else but me' would have a counterpoint with some more depth...
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    ElMariachi said:
    That could had been chalked up to the fact that Alyx was a mean person in the fairy tale and/or general EA alien fae morality, although retrospectively that was indeed the first sign of CC's malevolence.
    But the thing with Hawker was the first time he did something that was wrong, even if that was to help the heroes.
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    Agreed. It's one of those specific types of things that can pass muster at first viewing, because we the audience lack just a piece of context that gives meaning to the action. But now that we have context, we can look back and see it for what it is, a hint at the Cat's true nature that the show is more than willing to give us.
     
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