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RWBY Thread III: Time To Say Goodbye

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Stop: So gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
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    • so gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
    We get a lot of reports from this thread. A lot of it is just a series of people yelling at each other over arguments that have been rehashed hundreds of times since the end of the recent Volume. And I get that the last Volume - and RWBY in general, really - has some controversial moments that people will want to discuss, argue about, debate, etc.

    That's fine. We're not going to stop people from doing that, because that's literally what the point of the thread is. However, there's just a point where it gets to be a bit too much, and arguments about whether or not Ironwood was morally justified in his actions in the recent Volume, or if RWBY and her team were in the right for withholding information from Ironwood out of distrust, or whatever flavor of argument of the day descend into insulting other posters, expressing a demeaning attitude towards other's opinions, and just being overall unpleasant. That tends to happen a lot in this thread. We want it to stop happening in this thread.

    So! As of now the thread is in a higher state of moderation. What that means is that any future infractions will result in a weeklong boot from the thread, and repeated offenders will likely be permanently removed. So please, everyone endeavor to actually respect the other's arguments, and even if you strongly disagree with them please stay civil and mindful when it comes to responding to others.

    In addition, users should refrain from talking about off-site users in the thread. Bear in mind that this does not mean that you cannot continue to post tumblr posts, for example, that add onto the discussion in the thread, with the caveat that it's related to RWBY of course. But any objections to offsite users in the thread should be handled via PM, or they'll be treated as thread violations and infracted as such.
     
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    • *thinks about how many days has past for the girls*
    *looks at the calendar and sees what tomorrow is*
    fuck.
    OK so it has been...what THREE (3) days since everything went pretty much FUBAR in Atlas, right? Like V8 was something like 2 days, and it's been at least 1 day for Team RWBY themselves since landing in the Ever After. So after 3 days of hell Ruby has now "died" but we're all pretty sure she will be fine and rise again within the next 2 episodes, right?
    *points at the Calander*
    Tomorrow is EASTER.
    i.e. Jesus dies, and then rises after 3 days.
    if this release time table on purpose....ooooo.
     
    Pugman said:
    *thinks about how many days has past for the girls*
    *looks at the calendar and sees what tomorrow is*
    fuck.
    OK so it has been...what THREE (3) days since everything went pretty much FUBAR in Atlas, right? Like V8 was something like 2 days, and it's been at least 1 day for Team RWBY themselves since landing in the Ever After. So after 3 days of hell Ruby has now "died" but we're all pretty sure she will be fine and rise again within the next 2 episodes, right?
    *points at the Calander*
    Tomorrow is EASTER.
    i.e. Jesus dies, and then rises after 3 days.
    if this release time table on purpose....ooooo.
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    *Chronicles of Narnia flashbacks*
    Oh god... this was just a big Christ allegory all along wasn't it 🥴

    Also the Neo goading Ruby to drink the tea was a bit hard to watch, and if Ruby doesn't get a happy resolution to this volume imma riot :mob:
     
    GuestLurker said:
    Someone making a video asking why a popular and profitable series that isn't finished is being continued is rather funny, yes. The title is a good enough reason not to actually watch it unless it's actually pointing what I just said out though.
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    Yes, but see, I went a step further and actually helped @Ultimate with their request by posting the video in question.
     
    Me taking a hit of copium but
    if the gods did make Curious I want them to have only made Curious and perhaps the Jabberwalker.

    Like they stumbled on the Ever After and Darkness created something to bring permanent destruction to it cos he's a bastard and Light created something that is forever curious to study it for him.

    Then they got bored and wandered off.

    Thing is, I could potentially see t being the case as both the Jabberwalker and Curious do not really mesh with anything else in the Ever After. They are oddities amongst oddities, so it could work.

    Also I like that
    While Jaune was right Curious couldn't be trusted he 100% did not actually know how or why or what they even were or was trying to do. Also this makes Curious not having gone to help the Paper Pleasers to ascend make more contextual sense, they only seem to do that when it serves their interests.

    I also think it worked well that Neo's efforts to get into Ruby's head were rather scattershot, like Leo & Clover have nothing to contribute there, but they are people who died when Ruby was in the vicinity, so she's gonna throw them in too.

    Also as others have pointed out, WBY wandered into a clusterfuck with no context, only Jaune 'might' recognize the tea they sure as hell won't, and that's not even getting into dramatic framing for the audiences benefit VS how the characters perceive things and of course shock.
     
    Wanna cry some more?

    Yang probably recognized the look on Ruby's face. Yeah, she probably saw it in the mirror while recovering but I think she has a much better memory of it.

    On the face of a man who hasn't moved from the couch in days, whose lien account she knows she'll have to remember the password to to get groceries.
     
    Pugman said:
    another show of "critics" Not Getting It
    some claim Ruby's beating was just shock value
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    Why yes, how do they dare to have opinions that they explain but are not consistent with the rest of the FNDM?

    Anyways...

    SYTOkun improved one of the scenes in the most recent episode, it just needed a little edit.


    My Thoughts on the Episode, was writing as i was watching.

    Fucking love the sound design - The background music. I think this volume is EXCEPTIONAL on that front. Now, not to say that other volumes did not have this, but i am noticing it more and more in V9.

    Not a fan of new Romans voice. Its not smarmy enough for me. I get that the VA situation is incredibly complicated, but whereas i could accept the change of Qrows VA and i never noticed Mercurys VA change, for Roman, its noticeable.

    Not a fan of Ruby antagonizing Neo instead of at least trying to tell Neo that it was Grimm that killed Roman. It would most likely not stop Neo from trying to kill Ruby, but Ruby could at least TRY to clarify it.

    Also, neo is such a menace this episode. I luv her.

    I really do not like Yang this volume. "She could have talked to us" - She gave you plenty of visual and verbal signs Yang. And before anyone comes at me with the "Let characters be imperfect!" I have to remind people that Yang is supposed to be a surogate mother/super sister to Ruby. So yes, i do expect more from her.

    When Weiss says "We believe in you, we can count on you" as something that they all told Ruby. Jaune looks sad and the Bunny looks at him weird. If i am not mistaken some people theorized that Lewis is actually the Bunny, i think this at least somewhat supports that theory.
    Pyrrhas VA is not good at doing evil voice. I dont know. Maybe its just me, but the VA just could not do an evil/hateful visceral voice.

    So... The copies. I am of the opinion that the copies carry at least some level of truth with them, Ruby definitely has involved herself into situations and messed them up or made them worse. At the same time im worried that this will turn into the situation of "Since Neo said it to hurt Ruby, none of it is true". Neo might not intend to be right, but what she says through others is partially right.

    Low tier god neo was not expected, also, the episode has a LOT of picture meme moments.

    So, the cat is evil, some people pegged him as evil from the start, or at least that he could potentially be evil. If i am not mistaken many people discussed that while he could just be whimsical that his actions could also be the result of him being intentionally obtuse as part of a plan. The reveal of the cats character has received some mixed reception. I have discussed it with some people and they still wanted the cat to remain more whimsical. Yknow more of "It is my purpose" while being joker like evil rather than being mad at the gods and genuinely angry.

    Oh damn, little is gone! at least for now.

    WHY ARE THEY JUST STANDING THERE? Ruby has not drank anything yet and Neo is right there! There is nothing to be shocked by! HELP HER! I fucking hate the "Oh, they are just in shock" excuse, there is nothing for them to be shocked at yet! RUN TO HER! FUCK!

    Neo lost her purpose and guess who is there to fill her in?
     
    Dextixer said:
    Why yes, how do they dare to have opinions that they explain but are not consistent with the rest of the FNDM?

    Anyways...

    SYTOkun improved one of the scenes in the most recent episode, it just needed a little edit.

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    There is a difference between opinion and just outright bad take

    and I see, to no surprise, another example of people not understanding
    that people just don't get/don't like it when characters get locked up in shock, fear, confusion, etc.
    or that the man behind "Fixing RWBY" feels the need to do so here.
     
    I mean, it's not like WBY knew the tea was poisoned, but hey, anything to hate on them, eh?

    And let's blame Ruby for 'inserting herself' into situations, why not? The only valid case that MIGHT apply to is with Ironwood, the man behind the kill virus being implanted in Penny, who was going to abandon an entire city to horrible deaths because Cinder put a chess piece in his office. Neo was wrong about Ruby on EVERY SINGLE DETAIL.
     
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    Pugman said:
    There is a difference between opinion and just outright bad take

    and I see, to no surprise, another example of people not understanding
    that people just don't get/don't like it when characters get locked up in shock, fear, confusion, etc.
    or that the man behind "Fixing RWBY" feels the need to do so here.
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    Locked up in what? They see Ruby on the ground with Neo above her. There is nothing to be shocked about. Charge in and help Ruby! The shock excuse only works if something shocking is happening, not if one of your own is on the ground. People are fine with others getting locked up in shock, when there is an actual shocking situation.

    Its not even about the tea. They saw Ruby, injured and on the ground with Neo in front of her. That is a threat. The tea is irrelevant. Neo is RIGHT THERE!

    Which is a difference of opinion and it would definitely help if people were not instantly demonized for it.
     
    Dextixer said:
    Why yes, how do they dare to have opinions that they explain but are not consistent with the rest of the FNDM?
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    You do realize that we are perfectly allowed to believe that someone's opinion is not just something we disagree with but is as far as I or we are concerned, entirely wrong? People can be wrong about this show and I have no issue telling them they are wrong. I'm not gonna claim objective fact, because I despise being told I'm objectively wrong on something that's a matter of opinion. But I am more than willing to say that "In my opinion, you are entirely wrong."

    If someone told me that RWBY was a western, I would not hesitate to tell them they are wrong. It's not insulting them, it's simply me expressing what I believe based on the evidence the show gives. There are people who think Bumblebee was Queerbaiting and as most of this thread pointed out, they're wrong because Bumblebee does not fit Queerbaiting by ANY FUNCTIONAL Definition that has anything to with the actual term. There are people who think Yang, a girl who scarified her entire childhood to raise her sister, is a worse sibling than Azula (Who wanted her brother dead) and blackfire (Who sold her sister into slavery), people who make those claims are in fact wrong.
     
    Zam said:
    Spoilers~

    But yes, I agree.

    Also, Yang & Rushing to save Ruby:

    View: https://www.tumblr.com/protect-yangs-smile/714091856244457472/5-times-yang-rushes-in-to-save-ruby-and-1-time-she
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    That just proves the point that people are making. In other situations the characters moved. In this situation they do not move... For no reason. While Neo is standing over a beat-up Ruby. Thats silly. Its not even demonizing the characters. The writing of the scene itself is silly.
     
    Teen Spirit said:
    You do realize that we are perfectly allowed to believe that someone's opinion is not just something we disagree with but is as far as I or we are concerned, entirely wrong? People can be wrong about this show and I have no issue telling them they are wrong. I'm not gonna claim objective fact, because I despise being told I'm objectively wrong on something that's a matter of opinion. But I am more than willing to say that "In my opinion, you are entirely wrong."

    If someone told me that RWBY was a western, I would not hesitate to tell them they are wrong. It's not insulting them, it's simply me expressing what I believe based on the evidence the show gives. There are people who think Bumblebee was Queerbaiting and as most of this thread pointed out, they're wrong because Bumblebee does not fit Queerbaiting by ANY FUNCTIONAL Definition that has anything to with the actual term. There are people who think Yang, a girl who scarified her entire childhood to raise her sister, is a worse sibling than Azula (Who wanted her brother dead) and blackfire (Who sold her sister into slavery), people who make those claims are in fact wrong.
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    Its fine to disagree or to call it wrong. It is less fine to imply toxicity or any other manner of implied insults that usually follow that. Which happens more often than acceptable. Calling them toxic, ignorant, or in the past, fascists etc. No problem with disagreeing or saying a take is wrong, it is what comes from that, that becomes a problem, which seems to already be starting.
     
    Teen Spirit said:
    You do realize that we are perfectly allowed to believe that someone's opinion is not just something we disagree with but is as far as I or we are concerned, entirely wrong? People can be wrong about this show and I have no issue telling them they are wrong. I'm not gonna claim objective fact, because I despise being told I'm objectively wrong on something that's a matter of opinion. But I am more than willing to say that "In my opinion, you are entirely wrong."

    If someone told me that RWBY was a western, I would not hesitate to tell them they are wrong. It's not insulting them, it's simply me expressing what I believe based on the evidence the show gives. There are people who think Bumblebee was Queerbaiting and as most of this thread pointed out, they're wrong because Bumblebee does not fit Queerbaiting by ANY FUNCTIONAL Definition that has anything to with the actual term. There are people who think Yang, a girl who scarified her entire childhood to raise her sister, is a worse sibling than Azula (Who wanted her brother dead) and blackfire (Who sold her sister into slavery), people who make those claims are in fact wrong.
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    And there are people who are so desperate to hate on RWBY for being better heroes than the authortarian dictator or the groomer that they will actively misrepresent what appears on screen, or constantly cry retcon. And then wonder why everyone treats them like bullshit artists.
     
    Matrix Dragon said:
    And there are people who are so desperate to hate on RWBY for being better heroes than the authortarian dictator or the groomer that they will actively misrepresent what appears on screen, or constantly cry retcon. And then wonder why everyone treats them like bullshit artists.
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    See, exactly what i mean. That is not just disagreement or saying someones take is wrong. Saying that people defend authoritarians, groomers and in doing so misrepresent scenes intentionally. It kind of proves my point. It never stays and disagreement or "This take is wrong" level. It always escalates. The hiatus is definitely not going to be a fun one...
     
    Dextixer said:
    Locked up in what? They see Ruby on the ground with Neo above her. There is nothing to be shocked about. Charge in and help Ruby! The shock excuse only works if something shocking is happening, not if one of your own is on the ground. People are fine with others getting locked up in shock, when there is an actual shocking situation.

    Its not even about the tea. They saw Ruby, injured and on the ground with Neo in front of her. That is a threat. The tea is irrelevant. Neo is RIGHT THERE!

    Which is a difference of opinion and it would definitely help if people were not instantly demonized for it.
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    And for the narrative it would not of worked if they came in mid drink or charged in fighting Neo.
    If they charged in fighting Neo, it would diminish the reason for Ruby to drink and instead give reason to grab her weapon instead, even if hesitantly.
    As for WBYJ coming in mid sippy it would take away the impact of Ruby looking at them with a dead look in her eye choosing, for once, to agree with Neo/Torchwick that yes, it would be better if she was gone.
    Not to mention with the scene as it is it has the implication that we don't know for sure if Ruby even realizes she is looking at her real friends and family or if she thinks she is looking at more illusions as she makes the choice to just give up.
    Sometimes people don't move when they are so shocked by what they are looking at that they don't move even when they know there is danger.
    Like, we see after the drink that Yang is in utter shock with eyes wide, unmoving from where her little sister was just swallowed up by the ground, her hand clutched at her heart, and the only thing keeping her standing is Blake literally holding on to her.
    When it comes to the Fight, Flight, Freeze reaction, sometimes even a person who usually choses just 1 option there can be times they end up doing the other.
     
    Dextixer said:
    Its fine to disagree or to call it wrong. It is less fine to imply toxicity or any other manner of implied insults that usually follow that. Which happens more often than acceptable. Calling them toxic, ignorant, or in the past, fascists etc. No problem with disagreeing or saying a take is wrong, it is what comes from that, that becomes a problem.
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    I feel like I don't have to give validity to certain opinions though. Like I know RWBY isn't perfect, believe me I am aware of the numerous flaws this series has.

    Like maybe the editing could have been tighter on Yang to make it clear she was stunned by the sight of Ruby and didn't react in time, personally I thought it got the point across but I can kind of see how someone wouldn't get that. Whatever

    But when someone says "Yang is a worse sister than Azula" I have to say that opinion is completely and I have no reason to treat it with any validity. And with Bumblebee, if someone thinks they stretched out the build up to it tii nycg, fine that's a valid argument. But people who are claiming it's Queerbaiting either literally don't understand what that term is or are being dishonest and I don't feel the need to dance on eggshells around them. Queerbaiting requires gay romance to never happen, it's happened, it's happened the moment Jaune's sister had a wife.

    And it's most of the time it's not like specific people are being critized directly here. rarely do I see someone say "Oh XYZ said something INCREDIBLY STUPID" it's more "Well I just was regretfully exposed to an incredibly dumb take from r/RWBYcritics while browsing tumblr and I need to express why I think that's entirely wrong".

    Like I'm not calling anyone specific out for saying Yang is a worse sister than Azula, but I am saying it's an incredibly dumb take.
     
    Pugman said:
    And for the narrative it would not of worked if they came in mid drink or charged in fighting Neo.
    If they charged in fighting Neo, it would diminish the reason for Ruby to drink and instead give reason to grab her weapon instead, even if hesitantly.
    As for WBYJ coming in mid sippy it would take away the impact of Ruby looking at them with a dead look in her eye choosing, for once, to agree with Neo/Torchwick that yes, it would be better if she was gone.
    Not to mention with the scene as it is it has the implication that we don't know for sure if Ruby even realizes she is looking at her real friends and family or if she thinks she is looking at more illusions as she makes the choice to just give up.
    Sometimes people don't move when they are so shocked by what they are looking at that they don't move even when they know there is danger.
    Like, we see after the drink that Yang is in utter shock with eyes wide, unmoving from where her little sister was just swallowed up by the ground, her hand clutched at her heart, and the only thing keeping her standing is Blake literally holding on to her.
    When it comes to the Fight, Flight, Freeze reaction, sometimes even a person who usually choses just 1 option there can be times they end up doing the other.
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    I can understand what the scene is trying to visually imply. But i am of the opinion that sometimes artistry can get in the way of... Well... Logical storytelling. After the drink, the reaction is understandable, especially Yangs. But before, when they can see Ruby on the ground with Neo standing over her... To then stand still as if being shocked? That just makes little sense.
     
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    Teen Spirit said:
    I feel like I don't have to give validity to certain opinions though. Like I know RWBY isn't perfect, believe me I am aware of the numerous flaws this series has.

    Like maybe the editing could have been tighter on Yang to make it clear she was stunned by the sight of Ruby and didn't react in time, personally I thought it got the point across but I can kind of see how someone wouldn't get that. Whatever

    But when someone says "Yang is a worse sister than Azula" I have to say that opinion is completely and I have no reason to treat it with any validity. And with Bumblebee, if someone thinks they stretched out the build up to it tii nycg, fine that's a valid argument. But people who are claiming it's Queerbaiting either literally don't understand what that term is or are being dishonest and I don't feel the need to dance on eggshells around them. Queerbaiting requires gay romance to never happen, it's happened, it's happened the moment Jaune's sister had a wife.

    And it's most of the time it's not like specific people are being critized directly here. rarely do I see someone say "Oh XYZ said something INCREDIBLY STUPID" it's more "Well I just was regretfully exposed to an incredibly dumb take from r/RWBYcritics while browsing tumblr and I need to express why I think that's entirely wrong".

    Like I'm not calling anyone specific out for saying Yang is a worse sister than Azula, but I am saying it's an incredibly dumb take.
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    It isnt even about Yang. Its about noone reacting. Jaune/Weiss/Blake/Yang, all of them do not react in any way. Which would be fine if there was something shocking happening. But there wasnt at the time. All that was happening is Neo standing over injured Ruby. That is not a "shock" situation but "Rush and help her!". The characters are blameless, its the writing decision that i would question.


    As far as the Yang is worse sister than Azula. Yea. That is a shit take. But you yourself are saying that its shite without making implications about the person making it. Which in my opinion is more than fine. It was a shit take to compare Yang to Azula - Who tried to kill her sibling multiples times and Darkfire - Someone who sold her sister to slavery. What you are saying here is more than fine. Its just that many others do not share this kind of way of talking about takes they think are wrong.
     
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    Dextixer said:
    I can understand what the scene is trying to visually imply. But i am of the opinion that sometimes artistry can get in the way of... Well... Logical storytelling. After the drink, the reaction is understandable, especially Yangs. But before, when they can see Ruby on the ground with Neo standing over her... To then stand still as if being shocked? That just makes little sense.
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    1 - spoilers, as Zam would remind us
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    RWBY as a show is more on Emotional reactions/actions rather than Logical Actions. From this episode with them watching in shock as Ruby does drugs, to last volume where Blake is trying to throw herself off the bridge to go after Yang and Weiss is to hold on to her and is followed by Blake going momentarily feral, to....literally all the choices during the Atlas Arc, and many others over the volumes.
     
    Teen Spirit said:
    Like I'm not calling anyone specific out for saying Yang is a worse sister than Azula, but I am saying it's an incredibly dumb take.
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    So very stupid indeed. I'd argue that saying such things are deliberate lies is entirely valid. Personally, that one still sounds like one of the idiot critics on Twitter, still upset that Adam wasn't the hero, saying the dumbest things possible, because you gotta debate them, right?

    No. You don't. Call them idiots, block, and move on. And occasionally wonder why a thread has so few posts on a page, no don't click show ignored content, suppress the temptation, BE STRONG! :p
     
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