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RWBY Thread III: Time To Say Goodbye

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Stop: So gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
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    • so gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
    We get a lot of reports from this thread. A lot of it is just a series of people yelling at each other over arguments that have been rehashed hundreds of times since the end of the recent Volume. And I get that the last Volume - and RWBY in general, really - has some controversial moments that people will want to discuss, argue about, debate, etc.

    That's fine. We're not going to stop people from doing that, because that's literally what the point of the thread is. However, there's just a point where it gets to be a bit too much, and arguments about whether or not Ironwood was morally justified in his actions in the recent Volume, or if RWBY and her team were in the right for withholding information from Ironwood out of distrust, or whatever flavor of argument of the day descend into insulting other posters, expressing a demeaning attitude towards other's opinions, and just being overall unpleasant. That tends to happen a lot in this thread. We want it to stop happening in this thread.

    So! As of now the thread is in a higher state of moderation. What that means is that any future infractions will result in a weeklong boot from the thread, and repeated offenders will likely be permanently removed. So please, everyone endeavor to actually respect the other's arguments, and even if you strongly disagree with them please stay civil and mindful when it comes to responding to others.

    In addition, users should refrain from talking about off-site users in the thread. Bear in mind that this does not mean that you cannot continue to post tumblr posts, for example, that add onto the discussion in the thread, with the caveat that it's related to RWBY of course. But any objections to offsite users in the thread should be handled via PM, or they'll be treated as thread violations and infracted as such.
     
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    • Erinyes said:
    I also disagree that Team RWBY taking a back seat is the reason Japan fell off after Beacon. By far the most likely reason is that after Volume 3, the show was no longer a magical high school show and thus could no longer capture the attention of the otaku demographic.
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    I'll add to this by saying it turned into a JRPG-style narrative of "Collect the Four Crystals Relics and Save The World!"

    Which just doesn't really have the same appeal when you have a dozen others in that same market that does it better.

    excalibur2008 said:
    Considering people have been complaining about this for years I'm wondering which of us is living in the alternate universe.
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    To be fair, most of the debates in this thread seem to concoct this theory that the thread is just some sort of nexus where two alternative universes collide given the conflicting yet dichotomous interpretations of the show.
     
    Pugman said:
    Go! Princess Precure - The lead characters (the 4 Princess Precures) each learn and grow at various rates and each have a few episodes dedicated to each of them, meanwhile the various side characters/character of the day each learn as well over the show. Our leads don't get the big payoff until the final battle with the Big Bad, and even that isn't the end of things as the Leader of the team gets to have 1 final 1v1 against her personal nemesis who has been a thorn since episode 1 and this is where she figures out the final lesson that end up wrapping up all the lessons and themes of this year-long show in one simple final message and idea.
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    I don't post in this thread much anymore since i don't really follow RWBY anymore, but I keep an eye on it for nostalgia's sake if nothing else, and as a former Precure junky(1) I strongly object to this comparison. Princess Precure, and Precure in general, is written in a very different style from modern RWBY to the point that I don't think it's particularly comparable. The overarching plot of a Precure series is more or less just a framing device that ties the show together, and the focus of the story is on the magical girls growing as people, developing bonds, and finding love, and so on. Most of Princess Precure's episodes don't have any real plot focus at all and instead put a lot of focus on the characters growing, learning lessons, and so on, maybe accompanied by the introduction of a plot element, getting a McGuffin, or something along those lines. Even when PriPre has more plotty arcs- like the series of episodes starring Twilight, the conflicts tend to be very character-centric and the focus is more on the emotions of the characters and situation they were in.

    You could maybe argue that Volumes 1 and 2 of RWBY were kinda like this, but I'd have to disagree. They were definitely episodic, but I can't say I felt like I learned that much about the characters or the characters consistently grew at the end of an episode- the most obvious example being the Blake-Weiss subplot, which is completely hamstrung by the sudden inclusion of Penny and plot stuff to the point that there is never really a particularly firm resolution or Weiss being shown truly grappling with the situation. Even if you want to argue that she did grow, i don't see much compelling argument that we really saw that journey in the show itself.

    And 3 and on are very much plot-centric shows. There's character moments to be sure, but the plot, lore of the world, and so on is very much more of a focal point to the detriment of firm, strong character arcs, from what I've seen. So it's just not a particularly useful or illustrative comparison.

    1. I'll get caught up... someday. Soon.
     
    Based Bean said:
    the most obvious example being the Blake-Weiss subplot, which is completely hamstrung by the sudden inclusion of Penny and plot stuff to the point that there is never really a particularly firm resolution or Weiss being shown truly grappling with the situation. Even if you want to argue that she did grow, i don't see much compelling argument that we really saw that journey in the show itself.
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    Which is why Ice Queendom felt more like the franchise was doing a CTRL+Z and trying to focus on resolving Weiss and Blake's conflict in a more conclusive manner than "I looked for you for about half a day and even though the last time the camera was on me, I was literally talking about how the innocent don't run, it's all water under the bridge".
     
    That said, Lex might be a scumbag billionaire, fraud and giant sack of hate... But at least he legit loved his daughter and tried to treat her right.
     
    what I like about this opening
    is the section where it is just a jumble of "dialogues" that might happen this volume, and most importantly in my mind is the choice for the last one before the vocals kick back in is as follows;
    "DON'T. Give. Up."
    FIRE moment.
     
    Pariah said:
    Didn't he trade her to Brainiac to experiment on in exchange for advanced technology from the future?
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    Yes, but also to stop him overwriting the present, and then he actually felt regret and sought ways to fix his mistake, leading to some great moments in Our Worlds At War. Imagine Jacques feeling regret for screwing someone over.
     
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