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RWBY Thread III: Time To Say Goodbye

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Stop: So gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
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    • so gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
    We get a lot of reports from this thread. A lot of it is just a series of people yelling at each other over arguments that have been rehashed hundreds of times since the end of the recent Volume. And I get that the last Volume - and RWBY in general, really - has some controversial moments that people will want to discuss, argue about, debate, etc.

    That's fine. We're not going to stop people from doing that, because that's literally what the point of the thread is. However, there's just a point where it gets to be a bit too much, and arguments about whether or not Ironwood was morally justified in his actions in the recent Volume, or if RWBY and her team were in the right for withholding information from Ironwood out of distrust, or whatever flavor of argument of the day descend into insulting other posters, expressing a demeaning attitude towards other's opinions, and just being overall unpleasant. That tends to happen a lot in this thread. We want it to stop happening in this thread.

    So! As of now the thread is in a higher state of moderation. What that means is that any future infractions will result in a weeklong boot from the thread, and repeated offenders will likely be permanently removed. So please, everyone endeavor to actually respect the other's arguments, and even if you strongly disagree with them please stay civil and mindful when it comes to responding to others.

    In addition, users should refrain from talking about off-site users in the thread. Bear in mind that this does not mean that you cannot continue to post tumblr posts, for example, that add onto the discussion in the thread, with the caveat that it's related to RWBY of course. But any objections to offsite users in the thread should be handled via PM, or they'll be treated as thread violations and infracted as such.
     
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    • I think the "Mean spirited" claim about Penny comes about from her being brought back and then turned human just for her to get killed... When that did not need to happen. At all... The problem is not her dying, its all of the things surrounding her death that many found to be less than desirable.
     
    The only thing I agree with that post is that the mean spiritedness was exacerbated by how long the wait was, which ties back with my mention of how the lengthy wait soured people's view when the trailer dropped.
     
    a desperate girl makes a gamble for the life of a loved one
    the gamble works
    the loved one still ends up dead

    am I talking about Salem or Ruby?
     
    Dextixer said:
    I think the "Mean spirited" claim about Penny comes about from her being brought back and then turned human just for her to get killed... When that did not need to happen. At all... The problem is not her dying, its all of the things surrounding her death that many found to be less than desirable.
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    Not to mention the incredibly weird, upsetting and unsettling undercurrent of suicide idealation that Penny's Volume 8 plotline has, and how the show kind of uncritically treats her killing herself as a good thing.

    And not to mention on top of that, the lingering issue that is Jaune's role in the finale and that death.
     
    ArtFartCop said:
    Not to mention the incredibly weird, upsetting and unsettling undercurrent of suicide idealation that Penny's Volume 8 plotline has, and how the show kind of uncritically treats her killing herself as a good thing.

    And not to mention on top of that, the lingering issue that is Jaune's role in the finale and that death.
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    When did the show say that Penny's sacrifice was an uncritically good thing?
    The only positive they got out of that was that the power was kept out of Cinder's hands and it gave Winter a second wind.
    Meanwhile it clearly hurt Jaune to end Penny's life, and we are basically guaranteed to see how her death hurt's RWBY themselves.
     
    Honestly, I still half suspect Pennys death there is a partial fakeout. They were too deliberate in removing the previously established method of resurrection. We'll find out one way or another over the next two months.
     
    ArtFartCop said:
    Not to mention the incredibly weird, upsetting and unsettling undercurrent of suicide idealation that Penny's Volume 8 plotline has, and how the show kind of uncritically treats her killing herself as a good thing.

    And not to mention on top of that, the lingering issue that is Jaune's role in the finale and that death.
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    Not really helped by their tendency to make character plots rather insular so there is worry Jaune who barely interacted with Penny will get the lion share of being affected by her death while Ruby who was shown to be her friend barely gets to react.
     
    Psyga315 said:
    You forgot the part where they tricked a god-like being with their words.
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    Difference is Ambrosius liked the trick, while the Brothers didn't have the same humor.
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    That said, "you can always reactivate her again, so maybe try not to worry so much."
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    That was with a body, and the next time would probably kill her dad. Even if there was a new body, I doubt they brought anything with her memories with to let her remember being Penny instead of a new person who just looks like her.
     
    Matrix Dragon said:
    Oh hey, you got Volume 9 early and know what will happen with the character arcs? Lucky!
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    We do not, the person is just worried. Is there truly a need to make fun of legitimate worries? One does not need to know about the future to be worried about it. Might i advise less hostility?
     
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    Dextixer said:
    We do not, the person is just worried. Is there truly a need to make fun of legitimate worries? One does not need to know about the future to be worried about it. Might i advise less hostility?
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    Given how often the show has not lived down to the worries they and others fearmonger about every volume, one would think they would be willing to have some faith that it isn't going to be a complete shitshow by now.

    Granted by their other commentary they may disagree with it not being bad.
     
    Dextixer said:
    We do not, the person is just worried. Is there truly a need to make fun of legitimate worries? One does not need to know about the future to be worried about it. Might i advise less hostility?
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    Given the person they are referring to has a history of only negative reactions to RWBY no matter what, there isn't much cause to see it as a someone being legit worried.
    And said "worry" does not even feel like it tracts.

    excalibur2008 said:
    Not really helped by their tendency to make character plots rather insular so there is worry Jaune who barely interacted with Penny will get the lion share of being affected by her death while Ruby who was shown to be her friend barely gets to react.
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    Given what we have seen between all 8 volumes plus all the teasers and trailers this does not seem likely. If Ruby "barely reacts" then that is going to be more of Ruby recorded problem of pushing her personal feelings down to Keep Moving Forward.
    Not to mention we have a shot of Ruby looking at a green blade and seeing Penny's face.
    And while there was not much on screen interaction between Jaune and Penny, they still counted each other as friends. And as Jaune is a kind hearted and caring man who already has one big failure on his head (Pyrrha) him being the one to end Penny's life gives him every right to be messed up.
    So again, these "worries" just don't really track with what the show has given us over the past decade.
     
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    Psyga315 said:
    Think the major problem is a combination of the lengthy hiatus coupled with the goings on in Remnant.

    Plus the trailer didn't really help matters when it opens with "wacky hijinx in Wonderland!" Rather than go all in on the latter half of that introspective "who am I?" Or "could you shed Ruby?"
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    Juxtaposition is a thing.
     
    Pugman said:
    Given what we have seen between all 8 volumes plus all the teasers and trailers this does not seem likely. If Ruby "barely reacts" t
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    Ren and Nora didn't react to it until they were closing the book on it in Volume 6.

    And while there was not much on screen interaction between Jaune and Penny
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    Her death scene is literally the most they ever spoke to each other.
     
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    GuestLurker said:
    Given how often the show has not lived down to the worries they and others fearmonger about every volume, one would think they would be willing to have some faith that it isn't going to be a complete shitshow by now.

    Granted by their other commentary they may disagree with it not being bad.
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    I would say it depends on how people saw the quality and the decisions made by the writing team in V7-V8, no?

    Penny came back and her death confirmed the fears of why she was brought back for example, one could say it was even worse than feared due to Jaune doing the act.

    While i am willing to wait for the volume personally, i do not think it unfair for people to worry if they are of the opinion that the writing of RWBY is far from stellar.

    Or that Jaune might get too much focus at the expense of the main characters, as that had been a constant problem with Jaune from as far back as Jaunedice.

    I also find the argument that since Jaune has not showed up in the trailer - thus he has a smaller role than others to be, not a very well thought out point.

    Trailers rarely make huge reveals of the plot, and what they do not show can be just as important as what they do show.

    I am of the belief that Jaune not being shown implies that he will have a non-insignificant role in the volume, but that it is hidden to not reveal too much info.
     
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