RWBY Thread III: Time To Say Goodbye

Stop: So gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
so gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
We get a lot of reports from this thread. A lot of it is just a series of people yelling at each other over arguments that have been rehashed hundreds of times since the end of the recent Volume. And I get that the last Volume - and RWBY in general, really - has some controversial moments that people will want to discuss, argue about, debate, etc.

That's fine. We're not going to stop people from doing that, because that's literally what the point of the thread is. However, there's just a point where it gets to be a bit too much, and arguments about whether or not Ironwood was morally justified in his actions in the recent Volume, or if RWBY and her team were in the right for withholding information from Ironwood out of distrust, or whatever flavor of argument of the day descend into insulting other posters, expressing a demeaning attitude towards other's opinions, and just being overall unpleasant. That tends to happen a lot in this thread. We want it to stop happening in this thread.

So! As of now the thread is in a higher state of moderation. What that means is that any future infractions will result in a weeklong boot from the thread, and repeated offenders will likely be permanently removed. So please, everyone endeavor to actually respect the other's arguments, and even if you strongly disagree with them please stay civil and mindful when it comes to responding to others.

In addition, users should refrain from talking about off-site users in the thread. Bear in mind that this does not mean that you cannot continue to post tumblr posts, for example, that add onto the discussion in the thread, with the caveat that it's related to RWBY of course. But any objections to offsite users in the thread should be handled via PM, or they'll be treated as thread violations and infracted as such.
 
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I was just thinking....
out of all 8 endings so far, most of them come at some kind of a cost to both sides (some big some small).

3;
Salem side - Kevin was stoned and Cinder maimed
Remnant side - The Fall of Beacon and everything attached to it

5;
Salem Side - allies, a Maiden, and a relic
Remnant Side - Yang lost her mother once more

6;
Antagonists - death of Adam, Cordo's mech heavily damaged, Bubbles destroyed
Remnant side - bees have goat blood on them

7;
Salem side - Watts captured
Atlas side - turning on allies
Remnant side - the allies being turned on

8;
Salem side - Emerald defected, Hazel and Watts dead, Monstra and Hound killed
Atlas side - Fallen
Remnant - 5 young heroes lost to a void
 
Yeah that's why I was hoping for a stronger win for the good guys. Every major battle has ended with a very high cost to them for minor attrition to Salem's forces.
 
hang on.

Did this confirm that Aquatic Faunus need artificial help to breathe underwater? or are Arthurs gills just weird looking?

I think that is just a specially designed piece of clothing, like a shirt with holes for wings or pants with a hole for a tail.


other thoughts
very apparent they have a limited amount of issues and pages to tell this story >.<

also, everyone knows of bee love just from watching them. XD

I saw stars on the "sea monsters". Further proof we are dealing with Starro.
 
*sigh* People to this day still don't get/understand/believe that RWBY and JNPR were all close friends back during Beacon just because we didn't them "hanging out" or talking to each other. They look at Ruby and Blake's talk by the generator or the blu-ray exclusive clip of Ruby and Pyrrha and think "they are finally talking to each other!".
So damn annoying....

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trash kid


We have eyes


Golden Retriever


Can't blame her for trying


Stars
 
Also that video confirms that this was always the intended path for Ironwood so once more making clear this thing is a slow burn and the hints we're seeing in the earlier volumes, those aren't just tumblr users pulling things out of their butt, those were meant to be there.
 
Also that video confirms that this was always the intended path for Ironwood so once more making clear this thing is a slow burn and the hints we're seeing in the earlier volumes, those aren't just tumblr users pulling things out of their butt, those were meant to be there.
The previous cameo was Miles responding to a hypothetical. This strikes me as more specific.
The fact that the fabled gun-gun was mentioned all the way back during the Volume 1-2 days, coupled with at least one early Volume 2 interview where someone (I'm blanking on who) talked about Ironwood's more negative qualities leading nowhere good, I can absolutely see his fate being planned from the start.
 
... my head hurts. We got this confirmation about Ironwood when a woman who makes NSFW Ironwood dolls and accuses people of doxing her over her Weiss/Ironwood shipping (AAAAAAAAHHHHH) rambles to Miles about her ship and asks for good news about Ironwood.

... My head still hurts.
 
Also that video confirms that this was always the intended path for Ironwood so once more making clear this thing is a slow burn and the hints we're seeing in the earlier volumes, those aren't just tumblr users pulling things out of their butt, those were meant to be there.

TBF you can't blame fans for not believing writers when something that comes out of left field is said to always be the intended path.

You can re-interprit scenes from previous volumes to give foreshadowing of just about any action (e.g. if Ruby abandons her team later, you could say that volume 3s ending/4s beginning foreshadowed this regardless of how the rest of the narrative structure from the next season completely refutes this.)

People treating writers like politicians and taking everything they say with a grain of salt is reasonable scepticism. People treating what writers say as gospel rather than the writers preferred narrative without critical analysis is weird.

Looking at the story, even if they wanted to have Ironwood decend to madness, noone can say the pace of the decent in V7 and V8 were remotely similar.

V7 had a racist WW2 general gradually crumbling under pressure doing more ambiguous decisions which all could be argues as necessary if they weren't tainted by societal prejudice (i.e. the kingdom need to sacrifice 10% of its resources to get Amity up as soon as possible and that's going to cause some hurt, reasonable. 0% of that hurt affecting (Whites) Atlas and all of it hitting (Natives) Mantle unreasonable). You had a person trying to do the right thing but working of some flawed premises.

V8 had a tinpot dictator willing to kill anyone who opposed him, who also didn't kill people who opposed him when they were in his custody (Qrow, Robin, Jaques). Was willing to nuke a city rather than just ignore it at worst like he was at his worst last season, and blow up transports full of people to ensure it happened.

V8 feels like an overcorrection to the character that was slotted to be the bad guy because he wasn't unlikable enough, and its hard to take seriously because of it. Its like he's gone completely crazy and he's just ticking of dictator actions without considering the fact that a lot of the military would have family in Mantle, practically the poorer side if the city of Atlas, so he would face massive insubordination. Imagine the Mayor of New York trying to publicly burn down Brooklyn, with the NYPD.
 
TBF you can't blame fans for not believing writers when something that comes out of left field is said to always be the intended path.
The man is introduced bringing an army to the equivalent of the Olympics, drinking on the job (he gets offered a mug of something by Ozpin and then he puts something from a canteen onto it), and gets his own forces to take over the security of a foreign nation. He's presented as nice and unfailingly polite, yes, but he's a general with a deep focus on military force, in a show that opens up by telling us that there will be no victory in strength. He demands trust that he refuses to give to others, and very clearly has a need for control for any situation he's in.

It's not any stretch of the imagination to think this man might have been planned from the very start to become a bad guy and that a lot of his actions were planned with that in mind. It's not out of left field.

V8 feels like an overcorrection to the character that was slotted to be the bad guy because he wasn't unlikable enough, and its hard to take seriously because of it. Its like he's gone completely crazy and he's just ticking of dictator actions without considering the fact that a lot of the military would have family in Mantle, practically the poorer side if the city of Atlas, so he would face massive insubordination.
One doesn't need to be crazy or bloodthirsty to be willing to kill thousands of people. They just need to think they're in the right, and he's always thought that. Like, even before we consider that at the time he's desperate and running on approximately 0 hours of sleep, he was already willing to leave Mantle to die to cold and Grimm. Bombing it is just... pulling the trigger himself, really. It wouldn't even be that hard for him to justify it to himself.

Imagine the Mayor of New York trying to publicly burn down Brooklyn, with the NYPD.
This isn't the place for comparisons with real life politics. I don't think anyone wants to go down that path.
 
V8 feels like an overcorrection to the character that was slotted to be the bad guy because he wasn't unlikable enough, and its hard to take seriously because of it. Its like he's gone completely crazy and he's just ticking of dictator actions without considering the fact that a lot of the military would have family in Mantle, practically the poorer side if the city of Atlas, so he would face massive insubordination. Imagine the Mayor of New York trying to publicly burn down Brooklyn, with the NYPD.
I disagree. Besides the other factors that probably contributed to his mental state (Massive stress, his arm being replaced, lack of sleep), he had already planned to abandon Mantle, which would have meant it's doom. Bombing the city you already plan to abandon to it's death is hardly an unrealistic expectation
 
Should be noted that this was the villain saying this.

And said villain knows what she is talking about.
She brought an army to try and strike back at the Gods, and Dark erased everyone. Now she is immortal and knows full well even if an army came after her she would live through it. She has seen both ends of this.

AND it was followed by Oz saying it would be in a "simple soul". And what have we seen for many volumes? Ruby and her friends doing what the various adults haven't been able to. Bring people together (no matter how tenuous) and keep moving forward to protect people.
 
"There is no victory in strength, but in a simple soul," is just something that the writers put in to sound cool.

It doesn't mean anything. It's like the trailer quotes. Yang isn't a "misshapen spark". Weiss doesn't have "irreplaceable sorrow". Ruby isn't a "simple soul". I'd argue that the closer character we have to that ideal, which I think is code for 'paragon', was Penny.
 
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