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RWBY Thread III: Time To Say Goodbye

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Stop: So gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
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    • so gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
    We get a lot of reports from this thread. A lot of it is just a series of people yelling at each other over arguments that have been rehashed hundreds of times since the end of the recent Volume. And I get that the last Volume - and RWBY in general, really - has some controversial moments that people will want to discuss, argue about, debate, etc.

    That's fine. We're not going to stop people from doing that, because that's literally what the point of the thread is. However, there's just a point where it gets to be a bit too much, and arguments about whether or not Ironwood was morally justified in his actions in the recent Volume, or if RWBY and her team were in the right for withholding information from Ironwood out of distrust, or whatever flavor of argument of the day descend into insulting other posters, expressing a demeaning attitude towards other's opinions, and just being overall unpleasant. That tends to happen a lot in this thread. We want it to stop happening in this thread.

    So! As of now the thread is in a higher state of moderation. What that means is that any future infractions will result in a weeklong boot from the thread, and repeated offenders will likely be permanently removed. So please, everyone endeavor to actually respect the other's arguments, and even if you strongly disagree with them please stay civil and mindful when it comes to responding to others.

    In addition, users should refrain from talking about off-site users in the thread. Bear in mind that this does not mean that you cannot continue to post tumblr posts, for example, that add onto the discussion in the thread, with the caveat that it's related to RWBY of course. But any objections to offsite users in the thread should be handled via PM, or they'll be treated as thread violations and infracted as such.
     
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    • Eos_Astraeus said:
    Imagine the Mayor of New York trying to publicly burn down Brooklyn, with the NYPD.
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    You kind undermine your point with this.

    In 1992, one of the candiates running for Mayor of New York, the person who won at that, publicly and visibly instigated a riot that involved 10000 mostly white off duty NYPD officers.

    Not an exact match to your hypothetical, but it's more than close enough to show that, no, James Ironwood is someone who could easily exist in the modern day.
     
    Chronobreak said:
    "There is no victory in strength, but in a simple soul," is just something that the writers put in to sound cool.

    It doesn't mean anything. It's like the trailer quotes. Yang isn't a "misshapen spark". Weiss doesn't have "irreplaceable sorrow". Ruby isn't a "simple soul". I'd argue that the closer character we have to that ideal, which I think is code for 'paragon', was Penny.
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    And yet "No Victory In Strength" has been shown time and time again.
    Atlas, Penny, Pyrrha were all strong, but all unknowingly danced to the tune of the enemy's schemes and Beacon fell.
    RNJR did not beat the Nuck with force of arms, they used clever tactics.
    Cinder failed at Haven because she lost sight of the mission and got played.
    Atlas fell not because of one side's strength but a break down of communication, trust, and the seeds of fear and paranoia that Salem's forces planted.

    So no, it's not some throw-away line to sound cool.
     
    CatOnTheWeb said:
    You kind undermine your point with this.

    In 1992, one of the candiates running for Mayor of New York, the person who won at that, publicly and visibly instigated a riot that involved 10000 mostly white off duty NYPD officers.

    Not an exact match to your hypothetical, but it's more than close enough to show that, no, James Ironwood is someone who could easily exist in the modern day.
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    No, that's not Ironwood, that's Jacques.

    Running for a political power? Check. Publicly and visibly instigated a riot? Check.
     
    Chronobreak said:
    "There is no victory in strength, but in a simple soul," is just something that the writers put in to sound cool.

    It doesn't mean anything. It's like the trailer quotes. Yang isn't a "misshapen spark". Weiss doesn't have "irreplaceable sorrow". Ruby isn't a "simple soul". I'd argue that the closer character we have to that ideal, which I think is code for 'paragon', was Penny.
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    That's a bold claim to make with literally nothing backing it up.

    Yang's is foreshadowing her losing her arm.

    Weiss was abused by her father and her family is broken, though I don't know why you picked that specific line rather than the one about how everyone's entitled to their own issues.

    The Ruby one is just a baseless claim you made with nothing backing it up.

    CatOnTheWeb said:
    Not an exact match to your hypothetical, but it's more than close enough to show that, no, James Ironwood is someone who could easily exist in the modern day.
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    I thought that was their point?
     


    So, this is a pretty interesting video about a person, Twiins Iink who has been drained by the FNDM for being overly toxic and announced it as her primary reason for dropping RWBY. This includes:
    • They tend to ignore all the times she and her twin sister make videos praising RWBY or trying to engage with it in a positive light, rather they focus on the times they've been negative and bashing them for it. One person even gave her sister shit for an episode review that was positive just because she brought up what she didn't like about the episode. "If the way you criticized the show wasn't so flawed, then maybe you'd be worth listening to" to quote her, which reminds me so much of that "Watts is a RWBY Critic" tumblr post which is now a lot more yikes given what happens in the finale*.
    • They don't respect spoilers, FIRST or otherwise, and would either have them slapped directly on the thumbnail or directly tell Twiins about said spoilers despite her saying how she very much doesn't want to be spoiled. One person even decided to respect her wishes to not be spoiled... by spoiling more things in RWBY.
    Even if you dislike Twiins Iink, this behaviour is highly disrespectful.

    * = Watts brings up that, yeah, he was right in how Cinder screwed up during Mistral and that she refused to listen to him. Cinder then responds by basically leaving him to die in a burning building.
     
    Zam said:
    HH standardized weaponry:
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    Yeah that fits pretty well with a theory/head canon I've had.


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    One detail I really liked in Creation was that we see Robyn salvaging the crossbow bolts she used to "kill" Atlesian Knights with. It fits pretty well with my headcanon that the reason the Happy Huntresses have these weird patchwork/scrapyard looking weapons that are all uniform and that all seem very basic with just blades and crossbows with little to no Dust involved is because their work in Mantle and helping the poor over profiting from serving the rich means that they're very much Huntresses on a budget and can neither afford fancy high tech weapons nor fancy fashionable clothes. So they just scrapped together the best they could get while minimizing costs as much as possible.

    Hence all the crossbows since making bolts is pretty cheap and they can mostly be reused, and there is no need for Dust to serve as propulsion. They might all have a few Dust laced bolts in reserve for when they really need it (like Robyn's explosive bolts that took down Tyrian) but otherwise they stay away from Dust to cut down on costs and possibly also to avoid being reliant on the SDC.
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    Alright guys
    Give me signs/moments that all 8 members of RWBY/JNPR were friends with each other back in Beacon.
    I apparently need a list of the times of "Show" because people still think we were only "Told".
    what I have so far;
    They worked together during initiation.
    The food fight and how it started (Nora tossing food to Yang, and eventually missing by getting Weiss).
    Pyrrha and Blake answering Ooblecks question together and thus putting Cardin in his place.
    Pyrrha/Ruby/Weiss going to save Jaune (and Cardin) from the Ursa.
    Pyrrha paying for food for all 8 of them during the Vytal Festival.
    Everything between Ruby and Jaune.
     
    Mook said:
    Yeah that fits pretty well with a theory/head canon I've had.
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    To tell the truth it is something that I noticed from the different academy graduates:

    Beacon: Its teams are very close working very well together and they don't seem to separate after graduating but the teams are somewhat fragile as members are completely irreplaceable so a loss of a member leads to a permanent loss of functionality of the team as we saw with team JNPR who wasn't able to coordinate well with Ruby even months into the travel. This isn't that much of problem as Vale is big and politically unified so it probably has more teams to cover the loss of one team.

    Heaven: Mistral is big and very divided and it shows on it's teams who can be easily divided into smaller groups, like Sun and Mercury or Dee and Dudley, or individuals that operate around other people and probably will go their individual way once they graduate, this leads to each graduating team being able to cover a larger area at a cost of effectiveness.

    Atlas: A kingdom that consist of a floating island, a walled cities and the frozen tundra, the other kingdoms probably have cities with more population that they have, its Huntsmen and Huntresses will do one of two things, man Mistral's wall and patrol the tundra, in the first case standard training is very useful as it allows to easily rotate people without too much trouble as people do not have to adapt to a new person, in the second case standard equipment, and standard equipment that can be reused, is extremely useful as people can use the equipment of other members.
     
    ShadowEMT said:
    To tell the truth it is something that I noticed from the different academy graduates:

    Beacon: Its teams are very close working very well together and they don't seem to separate after graduating but the teams are somewhat fragile as members are completely irreplaceable so a loss of a member leads to a permanent loss of functionality of the team as we saw with team JNPR who wasn't able to coordinate well with Ruby even months into the travel. This isn't that much of problem as Vale is big and politically unified so it probably has more teams to cover the loss of one team.
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    What do you mean "team JNPR who wasn't able to coordinate well with Ruby even months into the travel"?????
     
    ShadowEMT said:
    Ok, they never coordinate as well as they did with Pyrrah and Ruby never coordinates as well as she did with her team
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    Examples please.
    From what I saw they did work well together. They did well against the Geist meanwhile Tyrian was an ambush from a person they knew nothing about and Nuck caused problems because of personal history.
    In none of those 3 fights did RNJR really get in each other's way or stumble over each other.
     
    ShadowEMT said:
    Ok, they never coordinate as well as they did with Pyrrah and Ruby never coordinates as well as she did with her team
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    I can see where you're coming from myself, Ruby's synergy with her own team comes off as effortless to the point where they scarcely need to talk to collaborate, meanwhile the Geist fight as Ruby "Bad! Landing! Strategy!" and the team consistently put on the back foot, Jaune getting flung around like comedy, Ruby not utilizing her own strategic acumen and Jaune's efforts to command being kinda awkward and the whole process came off as comparatively clumsy compared to say the Paladin Fight.

    Basically they seems to be fighting a lot more like individuals thrust together than a team and that sorta feels like how it was with the other fights as well the Nuck can be excused cos of Ren's trauma, and Tyrian was so far above them its easy to blame that but barring Ruby's electric sniper Nora combo and a brief bit with Ren helping Jaune & Ren & Nora trying to go for Tyrian at the same time, it still had the vibe of four people fighting one, over a team of people fighting one if that makes sense.
    Pugman said:
    Alright guys
    Give me signs/moments that all 8 members of RWBY/JNPR were friends with each other back in Beacon.
    I apparently need a list of the times of "Show" because people still think we were only "Told".
    what I have so far;
    They worked together during initiation.
    The food fight and how it started (Nora tossing food to Yang, and eventually missing by getting Weiss).
    Pyrrha and Blake answering Ooblecks question together and thus putting Cardin in his place.
    Pyrrha/Ruby/Weiss going to save Jaune (and Cardin) from the Ursa.
    Pyrrha paying for food for all 8 of them during the Vytal Festival.
    Everything between Ruby and Jaune.
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    They hung out in the library and played board games/studied together.
    Had lunch together during the tournament. JNPR checked up on Yang post Mercury.

    There's probably others but honestly I'd not waste the time over much, just because you can provide people with a rigorous intellectual rebuttal doesn't mean you're obliged to and I've found in extended engagements with someone in Reddit & Youtube that talking to them was a waste of my time.
     
    how much of a different beast do we think the show would be if we actually got character's thoughts in the show like we do in anime?

    like, what if we got a moment where we heard Yang's thoughts while she is running through a burning Beacon looking for her teammates?
     
    Pugman said:
    how much of a different beast do we think the show would be if we actually got character's thoughts in the show like we do in anime?

    like, what if we got a moment where we heard Yang's thoughts while she is running through a burning Beacon looking for her teammates?
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    Honestly not sure how much would change, a lot of scenes still would have to be silent cos RWBY doesn't have the time limit or the pacing for "Character floats in mid air having a monologue while planning" style f storytelling and the series relies a lot of people reading into characters behaviour (Like Cinder being an abuse victim) to determine stuff and thus what's going on in her head would also likely be kept secret.
     
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