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RWBY Thread III: Time To Say Goodbye

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Stop: So gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
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    • so gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
    We get a lot of reports from this thread. A lot of it is just a series of people yelling at each other over arguments that have been rehashed hundreds of times since the end of the recent Volume. And I get that the last Volume - and RWBY in general, really - has some controversial moments that people will want to discuss, argue about, debate, etc.

    That's fine. We're not going to stop people from doing that, because that's literally what the point of the thread is. However, there's just a point where it gets to be a bit too much, and arguments about whether or not Ironwood was morally justified in his actions in the recent Volume, or if RWBY and her team were in the right for withholding information from Ironwood out of distrust, or whatever flavor of argument of the day descend into insulting other posters, expressing a demeaning attitude towards other's opinions, and just being overall unpleasant. That tends to happen a lot in this thread. We want it to stop happening in this thread.

    So! As of now the thread is in a higher state of moderation. What that means is that any future infractions will result in a weeklong boot from the thread, and repeated offenders will likely be permanently removed. So please, everyone endeavor to actually respect the other's arguments, and even if you strongly disagree with them please stay civil and mindful when it comes to responding to others.

    In addition, users should refrain from talking about off-site users in the thread. Bear in mind that this does not mean that you cannot continue to post tumblr posts, for example, that add onto the discussion in the thread, with the caveat that it's related to RWBY of course. But any objections to offsite users in the thread should be handled via PM, or they'll be treated as thread violations and infracted as such.
     
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    • Zimmerwald1915 said:
    Sure, the heroes can put aside the wrongs Emerald's done them, even Penny (saving her life is a pretty good way to repay getting her killed). But who among the cast can speak for, say, Tuksen? Blake as another ex-WFer might have known him, I guess.
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    And has anyone in show brought up Tuksen since episode 1 of volume 2? NO. Because in the long run that whole scene was just to properly introduce Em&Merc, their dynamic, and a bit of their skill. Tucksen, meanwhile, was the Roosterteeth Puma Joke.
    For Catra she lead many Horde victories and that included the fall of Silenias, the kingdom of Mermista. Does Catra pay for it during the course of the show? Nope. Show ends with the defeat of the big bad, the day being saved, and our heroes happy and together.
    For Symphogear, Maria was a part of a group that caused a lot of death and damage, her own spear even cutting down a few U.S. Soldiers. As I said she had to pay dues. Meanwhile another character that was formerly a villain, Yukine Chris, never paid any dues for incidents in season 1 and her actions are not public knowledge. The difference between these 2 on the same show was the public scale of their actions and the part they played. Chris' actions only really transpired in one area and it was swiftly contained and dealt with. Meanwhile Maria's actions were full on public since Maria made the bold move of declaring actions and intent live on global television, so when all was said and done she ended up taking a deal with the UN to follow the cover story that she was a UN agent planted in the terrorist group of the season.
    Back to Emerald, her actions are more like Catra's and Chris' rather than Maria's. Yes Emerald was part of the party that caused The Fall of Beacon, but the main face of that ordeal would be Cinder or more likely now Salem herself. Emerald was just a pawn in it all. The actions of a Pawn are more easily pushed aside when there are bigger players at hand and said Pawn actually took a big risk by switching sides and has done a fair amount of good so far.
    TL;DR - The show is not likely to bring up Tucksen and so far Emerald has been a good help to the heroes. Thus the showis more likely to not show Emerald having to deal with much of any consequences for her past actions. At this point she might get glares from people and will probably have to fight Cinder and Mercury, but that will be it.


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    So I'm trying to figure out how I feel about the possible direction this show maybe going.

    So okay, RWBY rarely does a shocking twist out of nowhere. Pyrrha's death was, in retrospect, very clearly build up and foreshadowed. And between the warning, the constant RWBY!Alice in Wonderland references from Oscar and Oz this season, the title screen, and the fact this volume has been talked about by the team since before Volume 1 even came out. So Clearly something big is gonna happen, unless somehow Ironwood threatening to nuke Mantle was the main topic of conversation. And like, RWBY is a show not a afraid to radically change what it is if need be. But what I struggle with is trying to imagine what they fall into being relevant. Like is the gonna be time travel, a trip through the after life, an alternate universe, Red vs Blue, what? what can they do with this that fits the story?
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    My hope would be a Dream World where they get to live their idealic lives, kind of like the Tsukuyomi Genjutsu from Naruto. This would force them to willingly give up and part with something they want. They will have to Let something Go and Keep Moving Forward. Like, as I suggested earlier, Ruby ends up with a happy life with a full family and Summer is alive. How could Ruby NOT want to experience that? But, Summer is more or less dead, and Ruby has to fully come to terms with the fact that she can't have this happiness and has to let Summer stay dead. Basically a chance to show Light's Lesson for Salem in action to pave the way for the endgame and final speech to Salem/TheGods.
    Or at the very least some distorted world that will keep them busy for a time.
    Who knows, we might get a character saying "Guys....I don't think we're in Remnant anymore" to reference The Wizard of Oz.
     
    Zimmerwald1915 said:
    Sure, the heroes can put aside the wrongs Emerald's done them, even Penny (saving her life is a pretty good way to repay getting her killed). But who among the cast can speak for, say, Tuksen? Blake as another ex-WFer might have known him, I guess.
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    You do recall Blake (& Yang) tried to let Adam go right?

    RWBY isn't really a show that favors the punishment model of "reform".
     
    Zimmerwald1915 said:
    Sure, the heroes can put aside the wrongs Emerald's done them, even Penny (saving her life is a pretty good way to repay getting her killed). But who among the cast can speak for, say, Tuksen? Blake as another ex-WFer might have known him, I guess.
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    Or even the three members of BRNZ that died indirectly to her actions?
     
    CRWBY have really been nailing the themes of the Atlas arc and also May is such a great character.


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    This small comparison between the second-in-commands to the leaders of Atlas and Mantle just says so much.
    This Winter quote has been bouncing around my head since I rewatched the episode a while back because she gets it so wrong. Ironwood making these "hard choices" doesn't mean she doesn't have to! She still does! All of them do.
    But then we have May, loudly declaring that she can't wait for her leader to come back and fix things, or make the big decision. She, and the kids with her all have to make these choices for themselves. And she doesn't back away from it even for a second.

    #may marigold #winter schnee #rwby rewatch #rwby #rwby8

    #this isn't even mentioning how May starts her speech with how this isn't a situation where everyone can win
    #and Winter finishes hers with saying that the General is making this decision 'for the good of all not just a few'

    #and at the core the sentiment is pretty much exactly the same: we can't save everyone so choose your priorities
    #but May is aware of and open with this being the choice she's facing
    #whereas Winter is obfuscating the eff out of hers even to herself

    #like the foiling is through the roof here
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    The Bee Talk
    To this day I see people, both shippers and anti-bees, say that we still need a scene of Yang and Blake talking about things, i.e. The Talk tm that MANY thought we would get in Volume 6 with the team back together, but nearing the end of V8 and we still don't have said scene.
    I think I have an answer, and I know there will be people out there in the FNDM that won't like it.
    The reason we have not seen it.....is because we both HAVE seen it already in a sense, but the actual scene people want has most likely happened OFF SCREEN.
    To break it down, from what I have seen over the last few years when it comes to The Talk here are the main things people have wanted;
    Blake explaining her reason for running
    Yang explaining her abandonment issues and how Blake leaving hurt
    Blake apologizes and promises not to do it again
    They are back together and stronger than ever
    --- or at least that is the core gist of what I have seen.
    NOW....have we gotten those points? Yes.
    Blake explained her reasons for running.....to Sun. After he was injured by Illia and went down, Blake finally explained fully why she runs. She doesn't want those she cares about to get hurt. Sun counters by calling her on her bs and saying that as her friend he'd pretty much do it again. If I recall correctly he basically says that she is free to make her own choices, but not the choices for her friends, and that he leaving them to protect them hurts more than anything the bad guys do.
    Yang explained her issues, meanwhile, to Weiss. She explained how as a child she experienced loneliness as she effectively lost 3 parents and had to look after Ruby. How she had to be the one to keep it together. How when she had a time of need, when she needed her partner, said partner was gone without a word. Weiss counters by filling Yang in on her own personal version of loneliness. How Jac admitted he did not love them, how Willow regressed into a drunk, etc. etc. Weiss explains to Yang that Blake most likely has her own version of loneliness, and as her friend she will hear her out when they see her again.
    Next, during V6 we see Blake attempt to make amends with Yang by helping her (grabbing Yang's bag for her) and then saying she would protect her (The Farm) and then finally how they will protect each other (Argus) and culminates with Blake crying in Yang's arms and promising her that she won't run/leave again, and Yang responds with "I know."
    Then in V7 they are closer than ever, and in V8 when they are apart both are worried about each other and what the group split means.

    In short, to get The Talk that people have been claiming to want, that would mean spending a scene focused on The Bees as they basically cover stuff we the audience already know for a fact, having seen and heard it before. Thus if they have talked, it was probably off screen at some point.
    Meanwhile with the other main couple in the group, Renora, we got a scene of them talking because the points covered in that scene had NOT been covered on screen at all before in all the seasons.


    What to you guys think?
     
    This post is so weird. Like... If you can only be bothered to tag two series while complaining about fictional scars why use RWBY as one of them?




    The only person in RWBY to display any self consciousness about scars because they're ugly is Cinder and Adam. And even that is a maybe. There are other potential motivations for hiding those scars that are far more pressing than being pretty.


    Plenty of the heroes have scars so I don't see how it applies to "only villains get scars" thing.


    Blake has a prominent scar on her stomach after Adam stabbed her and it's highlighted as important. Hazel has scars all over his arms and a lot of his body. Nora has Lichtenberg scars on her entire body and it's her face that's the least touched. Winter might have some serious scars on her arms after Cinder literally tore into her. I think some eagle eyes viewers even spotted Weiss having a scar on her stomach after Cinder impaled her.



    It's just such a weird complaint to direct at RWBY specifically.
     
    What is with the fascination with eyepatches? Who even wears them these days? And in RWBY's case they'd probably get bionic camera substitutes e.g. Maria. Also, for minor arm and leg scarring, their art style and animation doesn't focus much on those areas.
     
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    Brainarius said:
    What is with the fascination with eyepatches? Who even wears them these days? And in RWBY's case they'd probably get bionic camera substitutes e.g. Maria. Also, for minor arm and leg scarring, their art style and animation doesn't focus much on those areas.
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    Eye patches are cool is probably the explanation for it. But yes the most likely choice is a Bionic Eye. In real life we use Glass Eyes but I guess people don't find those as cool as eyepatches.
     
    Brainarius said:
    And in RWBY's case they'd probably get bionic camera substitutes e.g. Maria.
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    Depends who they are and who they know. Maria and Yang have their prosthetics as personal favors, from Pietro and James respectively. James and Winter get top-of-the-line treatment as high-ranking Atlas military. Tyrian got his new tail on Salem's orders, and she - like James with Yang's arm - had an elite Atlas roboticist craft it personally. Someone less well-off or well-connected would have to make do with less. Adam, for instance, had a damaged eye, and did not get a prosthetic for it. He didn't use an eyepatch either, granted.
     
    Zimmerwald1915 said:
    Depends who they are and who they know. Maria and Yang have their prosthetics as personal favors, from Pietro and James respectively. James and Winter get top-of-the-line treatment as high-ranking Atlas military. Tyrian got his new tail on Salem's orders, and she - like James with Yang's arm - had an elite Atlas roboticist craft it personally. Someone less well-off or well-connected would have to make do with less. Adam, for instance, had a damaged eye, and did not get a prosthetic for it. He didn't use an eyepatch either, granted.
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    If they're huntsman, then they generally get some form of accomodation for their disabilities. Fox isn't particularly well off as a Vacuan orphan yet he has state of the art experimental AI program ADA to assist him in his day to day life and in combat.
     
    Codex said:
    If they're huntsman, then they generally get some form of accomodation for their disabilities. Fox isn't particularly well off as a Vacuan orphan yet he has state of the art experimental AI program ADA to assist him in his day to day life and in combat.
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    I'd call huntsmen and huntresses - elite special forces into whom their societies invest quite a lot of money and status - in with the right people to get special treatment. I'm not sure who Fox is, but as you point out, his aide is experimental, that is, not available to the general public and probably expensive.
     
    Zimmerwald1915 said:
    I'd call huntsmen and huntresses - elite special forces into whom their societies invest quite a lot of money and status - in with the right people to get special treatment. I'm not sure who Fox is, but as you point out, his aide is experimental, that is, not available to the general public and probably expensive.
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    Fox Alistair, member of Team CFVY. He's not even technically a full Huntsman, just a student.
     
    it might not be a prosthetics problem but a lack of desire for surgical installation
     
    Zimmerwald1915 said:
    So was Yang in volume 4.
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    Except Fox's parents are dead and so is his uncle, he comes from a Vacuan tribe, isn't particularly well off, has zero connections with anyone. He's just a dude. His only claim to fame is that he's a pretty good student, he doesn't have nearly the amount of connections Yang had. This means that Ozpin probably just accomodates all his students, just like a good teacher would.
     
    Codex said:
    has zero connections with anyone. He's just a dude.
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    Neither of these things is true. He is connected to a huntsman academy, and is accordingly a highly-valued paramilitary person in his society, which invests in his training, upkeep, and continued utility.

    "Just a dude" would be someone like Fiona's uncle.
     
    With Ironwood deposed, technically Winter is in charge, but only in the sense she's giving orders and people are following it. She'd have no official authority over Atlas as a whole. The only person left who has any authority recognised by the government would be Camilla. I'm wondering if we'll see her in the upcoming eps, possibly with Winter asking her to form a temporary council with Robyn and others, because the past few days have shown conclusively that the military can't be in charge.
     
    Matrix Dragon said:
    With Ironwood deposed, technically Winter is in charge, but only in the sense she's giving orders and people are following it. She'd have no official authority over Atlas as a whole. The only person left who has any authority recognised by the government would be Camilla. I'm wondering if we'll see her in the upcoming eps, possibly with Winter asking her to form a temporary council with Robyn and others, because the past few days have shown conclusively that the military can't be in charge.
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    Atlas-Mantle as a state, its constitution, its government-council, and its army all ceased to exist the moment its territory was evacuated and its entire population was converted to stateless refugees in Vacuo. This population has no legitimate leadership, unless and until it is granted citizenship by Vacuo, in which case Vacuo's leadership will assume authority over it.
     
    Zimmerwald1915 said:
    Atlas-Mantle as a state, its constitution, its government-council, and its army all ceased to exist the moment its territory was evacuated and its entire population was converted to stateless refugees in Vacuo. This population has no legitimate leadership, unless and until it is granted citizenship by Vacuo, in which case Vacuo's leadership will assume authority over it.
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    you are forgetting the Argus control zone
     
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