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RWBY Thread III: Time To Say Goodbye

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Stop: So gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
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    • so gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
    We get a lot of reports from this thread. A lot of it is just a series of people yelling at each other over arguments that have been rehashed hundreds of times since the end of the recent Volume. And I get that the last Volume - and RWBY in general, really - has some controversial moments that people will want to discuss, argue about, debate, etc.

    That's fine. We're not going to stop people from doing that, because that's literally what the point of the thread is. However, there's just a point where it gets to be a bit too much, and arguments about whether or not Ironwood was morally justified in his actions in the recent Volume, or if RWBY and her team were in the right for withholding information from Ironwood out of distrust, or whatever flavor of argument of the day descend into insulting other posters, expressing a demeaning attitude towards other's opinions, and just being overall unpleasant. That tends to happen a lot in this thread. We want it to stop happening in this thread.

    So! As of now the thread is in a higher state of moderation. What that means is that any future infractions will result in a weeklong boot from the thread, and repeated offenders will likely be permanently removed. So please, everyone endeavor to actually respect the other's arguments, and even if you strongly disagree with them please stay civil and mindful when it comes to responding to others.

    In addition, users should refrain from talking about off-site users in the thread. Bear in mind that this does not mean that you cannot continue to post tumblr posts, for example, that add onto the discussion in the thread, with the caveat that it's related to RWBY of course. But any objections to offsite users in the thread should be handled via PM, or they'll be treated as thread violations and infracted as such.
     
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    • Psyga315 said:
    I can see where they're coming from:

    Both Jinn and Ambrosia enjoy doing their thing, but have heavy restrictions on them. The first time we see Jinn, she seemed to be enjoying her freedom. Couple this with "The Gods made the girls into Relic Spirits" and you have yourself a bowl of yikes.


    If Salem is going to have a redemption arc, why not have a bigger threat show up that makes it so that she has to team up with RWBY? It's what happened with Emerald, after all.
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    You are really not understanding the redemption arcs we have gotten so far -.- neither Emerald no Illia, our 2 redeemers so far, have switched sides and been redeemed because there is a bigger threat to face. They switched because they wanted to. They both finally realized the path they were on was a bad one and they chose to trust the person who offered them a way out.
     
    IMPALED!!


    More board game foreshadowing


    So like the dream worlds from Naruto's big genjutsu in the final war? I actually like it.


    It would mean our girls would have to actively reject this world. That peace. That HAPPINESS. A world where they have what they want. And they have to Let. It. Go.
    Now THAT would be a hell of a "detour" season and could help further press an answer for Light's Lesson that he wants Salem to learn and come to terms with.
    It will be painful....but damn it could be good.


    RWBY VS SAFR
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    Dream world
    Just imagine....this could be how we get to meet Summer!
    The Patch Family is WHOLE (STRQ + RY)
    Ghira is leading a peaceful Fang with his daughter at his side.
    Jac is NOT a dick and Willow is NOT a recovering alcoholic.
    Heck we might even see RWBY in some of their older Beacon era attire but with the updated animations.

    Just think, the stinger for V8 is Ruby waking up on Patch right outside her house, the lights on and the sound of cooking and humming can be heard. We don't see Ruby but instead are seeing this through her eyes. Ruby enters the house and heads into the kitchen, where we see a familiar white cloak moving about, bringing a tray of fresh cookies out of the oven. The figure turns and we see a smiling Summer Rose.
    Summer - "Welcome home-" *the camera pans back around, and we are greeted with Beacon Era Ruby* "my dear daughter, Ruby." *cut to black*
     
    As an Arab and non practicing Muslim, I feel I can put my two cents in regarding Djinn lore.

    As far as I know from what I've been told and can find from sources close to me, Djinn existed as part of Arab folklore before Islam and were later incorporated into it due to cultural inertia. We didn't want to discard such a large part of our culture, so Djinn were folded over into Islamic Mythology.

    It is said that God's greatest creations were Angels, made of light and lacking free will; acting as extensions to God's will. Djinn, made of Fire and possessing immense power and arrogance as the first creatures with free will. And Humans, made of dirt and sand and mud and stone, and positively mundane at that. Djinn, possessing of free will and such power, many of them viewed humans as inferior and wondered why God would even bother with them. This lead to Iblis (the devil) challenging God and telling him that he could easily corrupt humans and lead them astray, and God accepted that challenge. Those Djinn who side with Iblis are known as Shaitan (demon) or Shayateen (plural version).

    There are many disparate beliefs in regards to Djinn due to the wide variety of Arab cultures and superstitions that color the view of these creatures. They are widely viewed as spirits, but some tribes used to worship them as gods as well. It is believed that Djinn are invisibile unless they wish to be seen, and can pose as humans and animals. And certain ferocious warriors in specific tribes were believed to be Djinn in human disguise. It is also believed that all humans have a Djinn doppelganger called a Qareen that follows them around everywhere.

    Overall, Djinn having free will means they can be evil, good or neutral so they aren't necessarily a monolith, although many myths indicates that some of them are tricksters. The only real example I can find of enslaved Djinn being forced to perform wishes is 1001 nights, which popularised the concept of Genies in the west. Here, we don't really view them that way, and in fact there are local superstitions that you can form pacts with Djinn to perform Dark Magic, cursing and jinxing other people. My mother in particular is incredibly paranoid about this, although really it's just an extant form of Xenophobia and racism justified through supersition.

    All of this is to say that yeah, I agree with Mook. I don't really see anything about Djinn being the true gods. Unless you're the type of person to take the concept of Islam stealing the spotlight from the Djinn religions and becoming the new god as a metaphor or something

    This kinda got off topic but it is something I find interesting. My personal opinion on this is that I highly doubt RWBY is going to implement most aspects of Djinn lore in the actual story. Jinn is obviously a reference to the more pop cultural forms of Genies then Arab Djinn, which is expected because as far as I know Western Media hardly touches on the historical and cultural depictions of Djinn in Arab society.
     
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    get out


    FINALLY found a post talking about the song from the RWBY Reunion, and damn I did not even catch this! :o



    Codex said:
    As an Arab and non practicing Muslim, I feel I can put my two cents in regarding Djinn lore.

    As far as I know from what I've been told and can find from sources close to me, Djinn existed as part of Arab folklore before Islam and were later incorporated into it due to cultural inertia. We didn't want to discard such a large part of our culture, so Djinn were folded over into Islamic Mythology.

    It is said that God's greatest creations were Angels, made of light and lacking free will; acting as extensions to God's will. Djinn, made of Fire and possessing immense power and arrogance as the first creatures with free will. And Humans, made of dirt and sand and mud and stone, and positively mundane at that. Djinn, possessing of free will and such power, many of them viewed humans as inferior and wondered why God would even bother with them. This lead to Iblis (the devil) challenging God and telling him that he could easily corrupt humans and lead them astray, and God accepted that challenge. Those Djinn who side with Iblis are known as Shaitan (demon) or Shayateen (plural version).

    There are many disparate beliefs in regards to Djinn due to the wide variety of Arab cultures and superstitions that color the view of these creatures. They are widely viewed as spirits, but some tribes used to worship them as gods as well. It is believed that Djinn are invisibile unless they wish to be seen, and can pose as humans and animals. And certain ferocious warriors in specific tribes were believed to be Djinn in human disguise. It is also believed that all humans have a Djinn doppelganger called a Qareen that follows them around everywhere.

    Overall, Djinn having free will means they can be evil, good or neutral so they aren't necessarily a monolith, although many myths indicates that some of them are tricksters. The only real example I can find of enslaved Djinn being forced to perform wishes is 1001 nights, which popularised the concept of Genies in the west. Here, we don't really view them that way, and in fact there are local superstitions that you can form pacts with Djinn to perform Dark Magic, cursing and jinxing other people. My mother in particular is incredibly paranoid about this, although really it's just an extant form of Xenophobia and racism justified through supersition.

    All of this is to say that yeah, I agree with Mook. I don't really see anything about Djinn being the true gods. Unless you're the type of person to take the concept of Islam stealing the spotlight from the Djinn religions and becoming the new god as a metaphor or something

    This kinda got off topic but it is something I find interesting. My personal opinion on this is that I highly doubt RWBY is going to implement most aspects of Djinn lore in the actual story. Jinn is obviously a reference to the more pop cultural forms of Genies then Arab Djinn, which is expected because as far as I know Western Media hardly touches on the historical and cultural depictions of Djinn in Arab society.
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    Ya that tracks. With how popular media + generations of superstitions have used, reused, and popularized various myths, fables, and the like over the years you usually have to really dig find "truths".
     
    oh idea, give Salem the crown of choice and Jin and tell to use one question to verify the gods weren't lying, she watches the lost fable, uses the crown to find a way to "win" cruse ends
     
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    I am just imagining that faux world starting to tear and crumble when picked at and things getting very existential and horrifying.
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    That reminds me of the Madoka movie Rebellion, where it starts with all five heroines alive and happy and fighting cute monster in a non mindfucky, non-lethal way and everything is great, and this world becomes more and more distorted and eldritch as Homura starts realizing that this is not right and that they are in a Witch Barrier, before completely falling apart when she finally realizes that they are in her Witch Barrier and that she's dying.
     
    So,
    Now that she's a real girl, she'll need her weapon now, please have Ruby help her design and build her weapon!
     
    Zam said:
    She was always real, this is something the show as reiterated time and time again, she's no more or less real now that she's an energy construct than she was before.
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    You don't get what I meant: now that Penny isn't mechanical anymore and since her former weapons were integrated to her body, she'll need a new weapon.
     
    So just like a random question, was anyone else disappointed that Winter didn't cut off Ironwood's new robohand? Because something about the way they were positioned really made me think she was just gonna do that and left me sad that she 'just' did the fancy knockout.
     
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    dragonx99 said:
    So just like a random question, was anyone else disappointed that Winter didn't cut off Ironwood's new robohand? Because something about the way they were positioned really made me think she was just gonna do that and left me sad that she 'just' did the fancy knockout.
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    yeah I thought the same
     
    dragonx99 said:
    So just like a random question, was anyone else disappointed that Winter didn't cut off Ironwood's new robohand? Because something about the way they were positioned really made me think she was just gonna do that and left me sad that she 'just' did the fancy knockout.
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    You should spoiler this, the episode only came out a few days ago, and isn't available to the public yet.

    To answer your question, not really, since if Ironwood's prostheses are anywhere near as durable as Yang's, which is very likely since they're both of Atlas design, they can probably take a hit. Now Ironwood's aura and body on the other hand can only take so much, hence the knockout.

    Besides


    Being stuck in jail with Jacques Schnee is literally the greatest/worst punishment he could have to endure. No dying as a martyr for his own stupidity, no grand heroic last stand against Salem, not even a grievous injury to invoke sympathy. Just living with the sheer indignity of being one of the two annoying idiots bitching at each other in prison. :lol:
     
    ElMariachi said:
    You don't get what I meant: now that Penny isn't mechanical anymore and since her former weapons were integrated to her body, she'll need a new weapon.
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    You sure about that? Maidens can do telekinesis - if anything her control over Floating Array should be even freer (and less dangerous to her) now that it's no longer control-by-wire.
     
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    Currently Penny is a coherent aura construct with a form and abilities aproxcimating a human girl modeled of her old combat frame like Jin and ambrosious but like less huge and blue


    Notice Penny's combat sensors sees body heat can't see the aura



    same sensor doesn't see a body that has heat differentials, it sees a body made out of aura


     
    ElMariachi said:
    You don't get what I meant: now that Penny isn't mechanical anymore and since her former weapons were integrated to her body, she'll need a new weapon.
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    You sure about that? Maidens can do telekinesis - if anything her control over Floating Array should be even freer (and less dangerous to her) now that it's no longer control-by-wire.
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    People are making way too big a deal out of this.


    Maybe Penny will want to replace her weapons with something new eventually, maybe she won't. But either way in the meantime she has already demonstrated that she really doesn't need robot parts to use her old fighting style now that she's a Maiden.


     
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    Redemption and Consequences
    A lot of people seem to expect/want to see Emerald suffer consequences/pay her dues either right now or after the immediate conflict is over before our heroes accept her into their group fully.
    And....I honestly don't think that will happen. Emerald willingly switched sides, has Oscar vouching for her constantly, helped hold down Penny of her own free will, attempted a mini speech of her own, and most recently was key in taking out Ironwood. Sure our heroes will poke fun at the former thief here and there going forward, but honestly I think that's all Em is going to get. The only time in an anime I can recall where a former foe has to pay some kind of penance before fully joining the heroes fully was Symphogear with Maria Cadenza Eve. She was a main antagonist for 95% of season 2 and pretty much spent the time between that season and I think the end of Season 3 paying that off by taking a deal and doing what the UN said. Aside from that you have Catra in Season 5 of She-Ra doing her best not outright piss off the good guys and still ends up the butt end of jokes and getting flung around while trying to help save the world/universe, and in One Pieceyou have Nico Robin who was the right hand man of the villain they just beat and she joins them by stowing away on their ship and Luffy is just cool with them because she saved his life and he saved her's and you also have Franky who was resposible for Ussop getting the tar beat out of him but by the end of the massive arc and they got both Robin back and had a new boat Franky joined them without any real issue.
    So ya as far as I am concerned Emerald won't really be made to pay for her part in past tragedies beyond ribbing, and I am OK with that.
     
    Pugman said:
    Redemption and Consequences
    A lot of people seem to expect/want to see Emerald suffer consequences/pay her dues either right now or after the immediate conflict is over before our heroes accept her into their group fully.
    And....I honestly don't think that will happen. Emerald willingly switched sides, has Oscar vouching for her constantly, helped hold down Penny of her own free will, attempted a mini speech of her own, and most recently was key in taking out Ironwood. Sure our heroes will poke fun at the former thief here and there going forward, but honestly I think that's all Em is going to get. The only time in an anime I can recall where a former foe has to pay some kind of penance before fully joining the heroes fully was Symphogear with Maria Cadenza Eve. She was a main antagonist for 95% of season 2 and pretty much spent the time between that season and I think the end of Season 3 paying that off by taking a deal and doing what the UN said. Aside from that you have Catra in Season 5 of She-Ra doing her best not outright piss off the good guys and still ends up the butt end of jokes and getting flung around while trying to help save the world/universe, and in One Pieceyou have Nico Robin who was the right hand man of the villain they just beat and she joins them by stowing away on their ship and Luffy is just cool with them because she saved his life and he saved her's and you also have Franky who was resposible for Ussop getting the tar beat out of him but by the end of the massive arc and they got both Robin back and had a new boat Franky joined them without any real issue.
    So ya as far as I am concerned Emerald won't really be made to pay for her part in past tragedies beyond ribbing, and I am OK with that.
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    Sure, the heroes can put aside the wrongs Emerald's done them, even Penny (saving her life is a pretty good way to repay getting her killed). But who among the cast can speak for, say, Tuksen? Blake as another ex-WFer might have known him, I guess.
     
    So I'm trying to figure out how I feel about the possible direction this show maybe going.

    So okay, RWBY rarely does a shocking twist out of nowhere. Pyrrha's death was, in retrospect, very clearly build up and foreshadowed. And between the warning, the constant RWBY!Alice in Wonderland references from Oscar and Oz this season, the title screen, and the fact this volume has been talked about by the team since before Volume 1 even came out. So Clearly something big is gonna happen, unless somehow Ironwood threatening to nuke Mantle was the main topic of conversation. And like, RWBY is a show not a afraid to radically change what it is if need be. But what I struggle with is trying to imagine what they fall into being relevant. Like is the gonna be time travel, a trip through the after life, an alternate universe, Red vs Blue, what? what can they do with this that fits the story?
     
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