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RWBY Thread III: Time To Say Goodbye

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Stop: So gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
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    • so gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
    We get a lot of reports from this thread. A lot of it is just a series of people yelling at each other over arguments that have been rehashed hundreds of times since the end of the recent Volume. And I get that the last Volume - and RWBY in general, really - has some controversial moments that people will want to discuss, argue about, debate, etc.

    That's fine. We're not going to stop people from doing that, because that's literally what the point of the thread is. However, there's just a point where it gets to be a bit too much, and arguments about whether or not Ironwood was morally justified in his actions in the recent Volume, or if RWBY and her team were in the right for withholding information from Ironwood out of distrust, or whatever flavor of argument of the day descend into insulting other posters, expressing a demeaning attitude towards other's opinions, and just being overall unpleasant. That tends to happen a lot in this thread. We want it to stop happening in this thread.

    So! As of now the thread is in a higher state of moderation. What that means is that any future infractions will result in a weeklong boot from the thread, and repeated offenders will likely be permanently removed. So please, everyone endeavor to actually respect the other's arguments, and even if you strongly disagree with them please stay civil and mindful when it comes to responding to others.

    In addition, users should refrain from talking about off-site users in the thread. Bear in mind that this does not mean that you cannot continue to post tumblr posts, for example, that add onto the discussion in the thread, with the caveat that it's related to RWBY of course. But any objections to offsite users in the thread should be handled via PM, or they'll be treated as thread violations and infracted as such.
     
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    • Matrix Dragon said:
    There is NOTHING more romantic than an epic duel to the death between two women and a creepy stalker ex in front of a remote waterfall he's chased her to, that ends with the women in each other's arms in tears, one promising they'd never betray the other like he claimed she would, as the creepers body drifts out to sea, two bloody wounds from the shattered remains of his victims weapon having done him in.
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    ...are you trying to argue with them, or agreeing? Because that sounds pretty romantic to me.

    Again, I have a hard time telling the difference between sarcasm and sincerity, maybe because of my Autism, or maybe because it's the internet.
     
    Pugman said:
    I honestly feel like the only one in the fandom who has never been worried about Oscar in regards to his OzIssue.
    With how the narrative has gone, from both Oz as a character as well as the overall themes and tones of the show as a whole, I have never once worried that our humble and kind hearted farm boi would be completely supplanted/replaced by Ozpin.
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    Well yes, because Ozma's curse will be lifted by the end of the series and he'll go to the afterlife. That's how drama works.
     
    I'd kind of love seeing how Ozpin adjusted to the merging. He admitted he also wasn't thrilled by it originally and it was probably even weirder if the last incarnation was the King of Vale.
     
    LordDarthYoda said:
    I'd kind of love seeing how Ozpin adjusted to the merging. He admitted he also wasn't thrilled by it originally and it was probably even weirder if the last incarnation was the King of Vale.
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    "So you're telling me that you caused classism between Mantle and Atlas by hoisting the latter up?"

    "Yep."

    "And that we can't tell the world about this immortal demon who you made out with?"

    "Yep."

    "And that the real purpose behind these Academies is to hold up these devices that could very well trigger the apocalypse?"

    "Yep. Don't worry, you'll get used to it."
     
    Muhkat Lomorki said:
    ...are you trying to argue with them, or agreeing? Because that sounds pretty romantic to me.

    Again, I have a hard time telling the difference between sarcasm and sincerity, maybe because of my Autism, or maybe because it's the internet.
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    Agreeing with them. Bumblebee has been very blatently displayed in show, and the willing refusal to see it always amuses me.
     
    something I hope to see
    Should Elm switch sides, it is done by saving Nora. Elm gives a weak smile, a thumbs up as she flexes her hammer and says "Thunder Thighs?"
    And Nora - :o:lol:
     
    Pugman said:
    anyone else planning on getting physical copies of the upcoming RWBY / Justice League comics?
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    I'm taking a wait and see approach. I really didn't like the digital copies of the first RWBY comic or the gen:LOCK comic. But I quite liked the physical copy of the gen:LOCK comic. But the RWBY comic was also worse than it's gen:LOCK counterpart so I will wait and see what people say before making a decision on buying.
     
    Hope
    So I do hope that the volume has help arrive. I mean, Ruby thinks the message was a flop and that no one is coming so narratively that could mean help will come.
    And just think, Ruby is at the end of her rope and just got a bit back with the last episode, but it is small and hinges on whatever scheme she cooked up, and even THAT is not going to go smoothly (fuck you Cinder) and Salem is about to be active on the field.
    The hope she has has only just barely been rekindled and one more hard blow right now could snuff it out. BUT just imagine how much it would absolutely restore her to see help arrive.
    Imagine, various airships arrive and touch down and so many friends, allies, and the help they've pulled together, each group in a way showing the good Ruby and her friends have done and spread, coming back to help them in their time of need. And among the crowd is Glynda Goodwitch.

    Ruby - "Professor Goodwitch?! I-I-"

    Glynda - *holds up a hand to silence the rambling* "Ruby, as a fellow Huntsmen I am no longer your Professor." *smiles* "I am so proud of you." *looks at the rest* "All of you."
     
    Zam said:
    Spec Ops:


    Speaking of:
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    Mostly agree with the last one with a caveat. Because the other rebel leaders were so underdeveloped it was easy for some people to (wrongly) conclude Adam was the only done doing anything to fight oppression, which in turn could lead to some unfortunate implications. The Expanse has a character like Adam in Marco Inaros (They're rebel leaders who when you get down to it are abusive ex boyfriends with delusions of grandeur, and while dangerous ultimately turn out to be pawns in another person's ambitions. They both also favor gaslighting and go out of their way to hurt people close to their former lover. Marco tries to murder the hero James Holden because how dare Holden date his property, Adam maims Yang.) Thing is in Expanse we see other rebel leaders with all their nuances and flaws, and the oppression belters endure. As such you have little to no people stanning for Marco; everyone accepts him as the abusive gaslighter he truly is.

    Adam as an abuser is fine. But having the rebel leaders be fleshed out and seeing oppression would have been nice.
     
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    LordYam said:
    Mostly agree with the last one with a caveat. Because the other rebel leaders were so underdeveloped it was easy for some people to (wrongly) conclude Adam was the only done doing anything to fight oppression, which in turn could lead to some unfortunate implications.
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    Honestly given how little of him was seen before people reached these conclusions I feel you may be being too generous, especially when his introduction has him as a piece of shit & the end of V2 confirms it.

    Anyway hopepunk:
     
    Zam said:
    Honestly given how little of him was seen before people reached these conclusions I feel you may be being too generous, especially when his introduction has him as a piece of shit & the end of V2 confirms it.

    Anyway hopepunk:
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    people are dumb and can make stupid calls (people misinterpret Star Wars.)

    so yeah I can buy people might reach that conclusion. At the very least I can see them forgetting the other rebel leaders exist and concluding that violent resistance is bad period.
     
    Teen Spirit said:
    As I've noted IRL and on forums. Blake and Yang's relationship has reached the point where there is legit no heterosexual explanation for their interactions.
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    Now: they are just friends!
    Kissing each other: really close friends!
    Marrying and adopting children: friends who care about children who has lost their parents and are financially knowledge enough about the potential advantages of marriage compared to being single!
     
    LordYam said:
    Mostly agree with the last one with a caveat. Because the other rebel leaders were so underdeveloped it was easy for some people to (wrongly) conclude Adam was the only done doing anything to fight oppression, which in turn could lead to some unfortunate implications. The Expanse has a character like Adam in Marco Inaros (They're rebel leaders who when you get down to it are abusive ex boyfriends with delusions of grandeur, and while dangerous ultimately turn out to be pawns in another person's ambitions. They both also favor gaslighting and go out of their way to hurt people close to their former lover. Marco tries to murder the hero James Holden because how dare Holden date his property, Adam maims Yang.) Thing is in Expanse we see other rebel leaders with all their nuances and flaws, and the oppression belters endure. As such you have little to no people stanning for Marco; everyone accepts him as the abusive gaslighter he truly is.

    Adam as an abuser is fine. But having the rebel leaders be fleshed out and seeing oppression would have been nice.
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    But Adam kills the people actually taking active steps and goes after the non violent leadership for getting in the way of his insanity
     
    Rabe said:
    But Adam kills the people actually taking active steps and goes after the non violent leadership for getting in the way of his insanity
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    True, but we barely see the other leaders to the point they're pretty much non entities (Sienna gets killed off way to early while Ghira came off as too passive). That's the point. In the expanse we meet the other leaders and find out their motivations and how they operate. Hence why there aren't any people who Stan for Marco. The other leaders are so fleshed out and in possession of developed positions it's obvious Marco's a psychotic asshole.

    With Adam the other leaders come off as non entities and we barely see a lot of actual oppression. Add in that fans are kind of stupid and yes. I can easily see people reaching the (wrong) conclusion that Adam is the only one doing anything.

    Again early RWBY was very rough in a lot of areas and both Miles and Kerry have acknowledged that the racism storyline was handled in a way that was rather shallow due to lack of experience on their part.

    Adam is absolutely just a psychopath who wants power; but fans can miss cues especially when the other rebel leaders are poorly developed
     
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    LordYam said:
    True, but we barely see the other leaders to the point they're pretty much non entities (Sienna gets killed off way to early while Ghira came off as too passive). That's the point. In the expanse we meet the other leaders and find out their motivations and how they operate. Hence why there aren't any people who Stan for Marco. The other leaders are so fleshed out and in possession of developed positions it's obvious Marco's a psychotic asshole.

    With Adam the other leaders come off as non entities and we barely see a lot of actual oppression. Add in that fans are kind of stupid and yes. I can easily see people reaching the (wrong) conclusion that Adam is the only one doing anything.

    Again early RWBY was very rough in a lot of areas and both Miles and Kerry have acknowledged that the racism storyline was handled in a way that was rather shallow due to lack of experience on their part.

    Adam is absolutely just a psychopath who wants power; but fans can miss cues especially when the other rebel leaders are poorly developed
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    when people pull this card, the answer is this is RWBY a story about the strugles of 4 huntress one of whom had a past involving a violent sociopath. not a doc u drama about the Fanus rights movement in total
     
    Rabe said:
    when people pull this card, the answer is this is RWBY a story about the strugles of 4 huntress one of whom had a past involving a violent sociopath. not a doc u drama about the Fanus rights movement in total
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    they made the white fang the main goons of vols 1 and 2. They chose to bring racism and bigotry as themes and by both Miles and Kerry's admission their earlier storylines about the topic were marred by a lack of experience and trying to take on something that was a little to ambitious at that point. Nowadays they could but dear lord the early volumes handled it clumsily.

    Basically since they chose to bring in heavy themes they're obligated to show it with nuance and sensitivity so spare me this "the Faunus aren't the main focus the four huntresses are."
     
    LordYam said:
    they made the white fang the main goons of vols 1 and 2. They chose to bring racism and bigotry as themes and by both Miles and Kerry's admission their earlier storylines about the topic were marred by a lack of experience and trying to take on something that was a little to ambitious at that point. Nowadays they could but dear lord the early volumes handled it clumsily.

    Basically since they chose to bring in heavy themes they're obligated to show it with nuance and sensitivity so spare me this "the Faunus aren't the main focus the four huntresses are."
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    okay I'll remember that
     
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