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RWBY Thread III: Time To Say Goodbye

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Stop: So gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
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    • so gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
    We get a lot of reports from this thread. A lot of it is just a series of people yelling at each other over arguments that have been rehashed hundreds of times since the end of the recent Volume. And I get that the last Volume - and RWBY in general, really - has some controversial moments that people will want to discuss, argue about, debate, etc.

    That's fine. We're not going to stop people from doing that, because that's literally what the point of the thread is. However, there's just a point where it gets to be a bit too much, and arguments about whether or not Ironwood was morally justified in his actions in the recent Volume, or if RWBY and her team were in the right for withholding information from Ironwood out of distrust, or whatever flavor of argument of the day descend into insulting other posters, expressing a demeaning attitude towards other's opinions, and just being overall unpleasant. That tends to happen a lot in this thread. We want it to stop happening in this thread.

    So! As of now the thread is in a higher state of moderation. What that means is that any future infractions will result in a weeklong boot from the thread, and repeated offenders will likely be permanently removed. So please, everyone endeavor to actually respect the other's arguments, and even if you strongly disagree with them please stay civil and mindful when it comes to responding to others.

    In addition, users should refrain from talking about off-site users in the thread. Bear in mind that this does not mean that you cannot continue to post tumblr posts, for example, that add onto the discussion in the thread, with the caveat that it's related to RWBY of course. But any objections to offsite users in the thread should be handled via PM, or they'll be treated as thread violations and infracted as such.
     
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    • ElMariachi said:
    I think the reason for the change is also because of how GOT's last season turned Daenerys into a mass murdering fantasy Hitler, not really a good role model.
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    The movie was filmed or at least in production long before season 8 of GOT. I think it's more that it'd be insane to have a 13 year old who is allowed to watch an R rated show or read R rated books without making their parents look sort of bad.
     
    VolantRedX said:
    The movie was filmed or at least in production long before season 8 of GOT. I think it's more that it'd be insane to have a 13 year old who is allowed to watch an R rated show or read R rated books without making their parents look sort of bad.
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    That and it makes more sense for the psychic to be able to replicate a character that has the power to cause hallucinations than commanding an army of Dothraki and dragons.

    Not to mention the person she was fighting as Emerald was named Rose.
     
    Weird aside, but I'd be interested to see if cos of her history Salem:

    A: Just freaking hates Jac, like on an instinctual level.
    B: Tried to recruit Winter specifically.
    C: Vibes with the Schnee's in general.

    Zam said:
    I celebrate with more Rub Meta!
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    I really loved Luimnigh's response to this post as well, hidden in the tags:
    #see also: Emerald Sustrai
    #she's cynical about everything
    #and thus can't see it when people show her true affection
    #so she can't see Cinder is using her
     
    Zam said:
    Weird aside, but I'd be interested to see if cos of her history Salem:

    A: Just freaking hates Jac, like on an instinctual level.
    B: Tried to recruit Winter specifically.
    C: Vibes with the Schnee's in general.
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    I mean, I know the joke of Willow and Salem dating, so...

    Willow: With your father in jail, I have started to see new people.

    (Salem walks into the room, and throws a arm around Willow.)

    Willow: Her name is Salem, and we may have only know each other for a short time, but we're very close.

    Weiss, Winter, and Whitley: ?!!?!?
     
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    Pugman said:
    Trick-or-Treating Officially Cancelled As No Safe Streets Exist Anymore | vytal_news
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    Some of these jokes are hysterical. XD

    The Valean Shadow Council have stated: "If children would like to be scared, it would be advisable for them to look outside and take in reality." The council then ignored further questions and demands to reveal their faces.
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    vytalnews.com

    Vale's Shadow Council "Not Ready" For Face Reveal - vytal_news

    Vale, Kingdom of Vale. After large backlash against the Vale Council’s decision to continue the lock down of the Kingdom of Vale, people have begun wondering about who they actually elected. “I’m not really sure who they are. The ballot last year was just all people I didn’t know so I pressed a...
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    After large backlash against the Vale Council's decision to continue the lock down of the Kingdom of Vale, people have begun wondering about who they actually elected.

    "I'm not really sure who they are. The ballot last year was just all people I didn't know so I pressed a random button. Now that they've been elected, they haven't even shown their face," spoke Ciara Cole, a local chimney sweeper. "Who are they anyway?"

    The Atlesian Council, whose members are not only public figures, but also widely known in various sectors in the Kingdom of Atlas, are similarly appalled at the secrecy the Vale Council permits itself. Councilman Sleet showed concern: "During any CCT meetings we had with them, I didn't even know how to address them, it was pretty awkward. General James Ironwood asked them to reveal themselves, but they said "they weren't yet ready for that". Ready for what, showing their voters who they actually voted for?

    "They must be hidin' Grimm faces behind flesh masks," said local nutcase Irvin Lime. "We bein' manipulated from the shadows, we don't know who's who and suddenly – BAM! We're bein' attacked at the Vytal festival! It's all the damn shadow council's fault!"

    When asked for a comment, Vale's Shadow Council claimed that it could not confirm or deny whether or not they are Grimm hiding behind human masks made of flesh.
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    back to Ruby and her eyes
    I don't think her hair covering an eye is any kind of foreshadowing on Ruby losing one.
    Given that RWBY is anime inspired, hair over an eye is an OLD design trope.
     
    Mook said:
    Some madlass actually went ahead and did it! I literally laughed out loud when I saw this! XD
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    I love it XD

    Pugman said:
    back to Ruby and her eyes
    I don't think her hair covering an eye is any kind of foreshadowing on Ruby losing one.
    Given that RWBY is anime inspired, hair over an eye is an OLD design trope.
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    Yeah as it stands I don't see much to be gained from Ruby losing an eye, not to say it 'can't' happen, but if it does it'd like be well laterin the series, likely if silver eyes start becoming too reliable/integral and the heroes need to suffer a low point, or if a god comes back and does something dickish.

    Also a post on Fans & stans:


    Sisterly Bonds


    & a post on Heroism for funsies:
     
    Zam said:
    Sisterly Bonds
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    Not to mention Yang spent her life raising Ruby, and Beacon would of been her chance to get that distance, have her own time and adventure, but Ruby got yoink ahead 2 years. Yes she is excited for her little sis. Ruby has been dreaming about being a Huntress like their parents and uncle and had been training for years, yet Ruby made it clear she was ready to hide in her shell and try to attach herself to Yang. That was why Yang ditched her so quickly once they got to Beacon. Yet even after that Yang still saved Ruby a spot at the introduction speech and put her bag next to Ruby's for the sleep over that first night. She'll be the best big sister around, but only when she feels she needs to.
     
    Pugman said:
    Not to mention Yang spent her life raising Ruby
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    I mean, not entirely, certainly not in the actual physical sense. Yang stepped up more than she should have needed to, but I feel like a lot of people take her line about how Taiyang shut down for a while after Summer's death way too far and seem to think he was just a total nonentity in their lives for like the next 10 years and Yang was running the house and cooking all the meals and the like. Which, neither of his kids would be nearly as affectionate and obviously close to him as they are if that were the case.

    I realize that doesn't really connect with your own point, I just feel the need to point it out given how often I've seen that take in the past. Yang was reading Ruby bedtime stories, but that doesn't mean she was also making and packing her lunches (and in fact second-tier canon stuff like the comic books provide evidence directly to the contrary).
     
    Leingod said:
    I mean, not entirely, certainly not in the actual physical sense. Yang stepped up more than she should have needed to, but I feel like a lot of people take her line about how Taiyang shut down for a while after Summer's death way too far and seem to think he was just a total nonentity in their lives for like the next 10 years and Yang was running the house and cooking all the meals and the like. Which, neither of his kids would be nearly as affectionate and obviously close to him as they are if that were the case.

    I realize that doesn't really connect with your own point, I just feel the need to point it out given how often I've seen that take in the past. Yang was reading Ruby bedtime stories, but that doesn't mean she was also making and packing her lunches (and in fact second-tier canon stuff like the comic books provide evidence directly to the contrary).
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    I know people love Tai so I'm not liable to be well liked for this, but I feel Yang herself outlines her feelings on the subject of Tai's parenting in V5:

    "I had to pick up the pieces. I had to keep things together. Alone."

    I'm sure someone can say "Oh he was working to provide for them" or "He was depressed you monster" ETC to defend him, but that'd come down to personal interpretations.

    In terms of raw impact however, in terms of Yang's perspective which so far has not been challenged as far as I am aware, she feels she was effectively left alone to keep a crumbling family together.
     
    I'm actually of the same opinion as Zam here. Qrow's a depressed spy and Ruby clearly looks up to him more than Tai. Whatever happened after Summer's death, something went wrong.
     
    Pugman said:
    back to Ruby and her eyes
    I don't think her hair covering an eye is any kind of foreshadowing on Ruby losing one.
    Given that RWBY is anime inspired, hair over an eye is an OLD design trope.
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    Yeah, it's definitely more the villains going "an eye for an eye" and the old mentor also being blinded that's doing the foreshadowing if it is.
     
    Zam said:
    I know people love Tai so I'm not liable to be well liked for this, but I feel Yang herself outlines her feelings on the subject of Tai's parenting in V5:

    "I had to pick up the pieces. I had to keep things together. Alone."

    I'm sure someone can say "Oh he was working to provide for them" or "He was depressed you monster" ETC to defend him, but that'd come down to personal interpretations.

    In terms of raw impact however, in terms of Yang's perspective which so far has not been challenged as far as I am aware, she feels she was effectively left alone to keep a crumbling family together.
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    To be clear, I don't "love" Taiyang, I don't really have especially strong feelings about him, and I don't actually say any of this with the specific goal of "defending" him. Nor did I say anything that's actually exclusive to the idea that Yang felt like she had to step up and take on a role that Ruby needed her to because it seemed that Taiyang wouldn't or couldn't, or, indeed that this was largely true - and in fact the very first sentence of my post included the phrase "Yang had to step up more than she should have needed to."

    But nothing about how they actually talk about or treat Taiyang that doesn't have to do with the period immediately following losing Summer really gives the impression that he spent the next several years like that, or that Yang was more of an actual parent to Ruby than he was the whole time afterward. Even your quote doesn't quite do so, because immediately prior to the quoted bit is Yang saying "Ruby couldn't even talk yet." Meaning that statement inhabits a very specific point in time. In that specific point in time, Yang had to make a sacrifice for Ruby that, as I said, she shouldn't have felt she had to make, and from that point on she continued doing so. She may or may not have actually really needed to past a certain point, but she certainly felt like she did, and in the absence of any further information I won't speak any more about it, as that would indeed just be my personal opinion/headcanon.

    But, that does not mean she was Ruby's only full-time parent or caretaker or moral support forever after and that Taiyang was some virtual absentee who had no greater presence in their lives than the guy paying their mortgage or whatever. Especially since it would make no sense that suddenly once the series begins, his daughters talk about him like he's a loving, affectionate, maybe a bit worry-prone parent who tells Ruby she needs to be more social ("Ugh, you sound just like dad"), or who would disapprove of his daughters having a "big slumber party" that was half-male, or whose letters/packages Yang thinks will cheer up Ruby while she's got some pretty heavy shit on her mind and is proven correct to think so ("Oh, I know what will cheer you up! [...] Dad sent it to us. I thought we could open it together!").

    There's just a lot of things spread throughout five whole Volumes about how they actually talk both to and about Taiyang that don't make as much sense if we go that route. The fact that Yang had to step up and make sacrifices she shouldn't have needed to for Ruby's sake, that she had to take on a role that she shouldn't have needed to fill? None of that actually demands a Taiyang who didn't love and care for his daughters, or who didn't earnestly try to still be a good dad to the best of his abilities for years afterward and at least succeeded well enough to have a largely normal and mostly functional relationship with his daughters. And in fact the contrary seems to fit a lot better with what they're shown to think and feel about him like 90% of the time he comes up.

    Xalgeon said:
    I'm actually of the same opinion as Zam here. Qrow's a depressed spy and Ruby clearly looks up to him more than Tai. Whatever happened after Summer's death, something went wrong.
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    I mean, Qrow taught her to fight, which is clearly a very big part of that. He's also a more active Huntsman and tells them stories about his missions (at least the parts he can talk about), which is all "cool uncle living your dream job" stuff that Ruby - who wants more than anything to be a Huntress - can't really share with semi-retired school teacher Taiyang, with his fighting style that's completely unsuited to Ruby's love of (and reliance on) her weapon.

    Plenty of people - especially children or teenagers - have looked up to some other close relative - even one who clearly has his own issues, like depression or alcoholism - more than one or both parents without it meaning they didn't love said parent(s) or that said parent(s) wasn't sufficiently involved in their life. So, it really doesn't strike me as convincing evidence that her connection with Qrow necessarily comes out of some absence or failing or Taiyang's part.
     
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    While you're right about kids looking up to uncles/aunts/whatever more than they do their parents. Ruby has such a lack of commonality with Tai that the writers of the show had to specifically go on record and say "Taiyang Xiao Long is Ruby Rose's biological father."

    I understand that kids don't necessarily have that much in common with their parents, but Ruby and Tai have nothing. Even as just two people living in the same house, they should've found some common ground.
     
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