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RWBY Thread III: Time To Say Goodbye

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Stop: So gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
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    • so gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
    We get a lot of reports from this thread. A lot of it is just a series of people yelling at each other over arguments that have been rehashed hundreds of times since the end of the recent Volume. And I get that the last Volume - and RWBY in general, really - has some controversial moments that people will want to discuss, argue about, debate, etc.

    That's fine. We're not going to stop people from doing that, because that's literally what the point of the thread is. However, there's just a point where it gets to be a bit too much, and arguments about whether or not Ironwood was morally justified in his actions in the recent Volume, or if RWBY and her team were in the right for withholding information from Ironwood out of distrust, or whatever flavor of argument of the day descend into insulting other posters, expressing a demeaning attitude towards other's opinions, and just being overall unpleasant. That tends to happen a lot in this thread. We want it to stop happening in this thread.

    So! As of now the thread is in a higher state of moderation. What that means is that any future infractions will result in a weeklong boot from the thread, and repeated offenders will likely be permanently removed. So please, everyone endeavor to actually respect the other's arguments, and even if you strongly disagree with them please stay civil and mindful when it comes to responding to others.

    In addition, users should refrain from talking about off-site users in the thread. Bear in mind that this does not mean that you cannot continue to post tumblr posts, for example, that add onto the discussion in the thread, with the caveat that it's related to RWBY of course. But any objections to offsite users in the thread should be handled via PM, or they'll be treated as thread violations and infracted as such.
     
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    • thesevenwielder said:
    I fail to see how going after him I fail to see how going after him wasn't a good idea. She says he is an expert at ambushing but in this recent fight he doesn't show it all that much. The only reason he got so far was because both Blake and Yang had psychological baggage. If Sun and Ilya double-teamed him he would get rekt.
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    Nah, she didn't call him an expert at ambushing people. She said that he'd pick them off. Which makes sense since the smart thing to do when you're outnumbered is to run away and make your opponents stagger themselves to pick them off. If their little scuffle on the radio tower in the last episode was any indication, he can definitely do that. Adam did ambush Blake in the beginning of the fight, then she retreated. She would have died if Yang hadn't arrived in time to save her.
     
    well I suppose given Blake's character she wouldn't recognize the meaning of the word "team" so I suppose going into it with that line of logic her comment makes sense. But that only works if you're going full stupid horror protagonist and split the party.

    Moving on, what part of Qrow has been remotely a good role model? This just continues the trend of the writers having Ruby try to say meaningful things that fall flat because they are directly contradicted by canon. Like v5's "we have accomplished so many amazing things together" when they really haven't and most of their wins have been solo efforts if not outright losing and having to be bailed out by someone else. Or her most recent attempt at a speech where she tells Cordovin that they have beaten things bigger than her, and no they haven't. Well excluding Kevin, but that was only because of a power that will explicitly not work on the giant Mech. Ruby is just so terrible at giving speeches. She's pretty awful at being a team leader in general.

    You know, nobody ever answered how yang got good enough to defeat Adam. She has had a literally zero training outside a single brief spar to get her used to her new arm with her father with no implications that it have been continuing for a while, and she hasn't got any upgrades either aside from a robotic arm, and add improved in his very first trailer that he can cut through metal with ease. Her arm doesn't have any special upgrades installed in it, and she didn't upgrade her weapon either.
     
    thesevenwielder said:
    You know, nobody ever answered how yang got good enough to defeat Adam. She has had a literally zero training outside a single brief spar to get her used to her new arm with her father with no implications that it have been continuing for a while, and she hasn't got any upgrades either aside from a robotic arm, and add improved in his very first trailer that he can cut through metal with ease. Her arm doesn't have any special upgrades installed in it, and she didn't upgrade her weapon either.
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    We actually have no indication of whether or not that was the only spar they had, the amount of time that passed was vague. It can go either way so the topic is a neutral point. I'm willing to believe that there was a bit more training though. Aside from that, Yang's issue was her attitude and approach to fighting as opposed to any significant lack in skill. Her first encounter against Adam wasn't even a fight. She recklessly lunged at him and he used his semblance to bypass her aura in one strike. The message of that encounter wasn't "Yang is a weak fighter" it was that "Yang let her emotions overcome her reasoning and she paid the price for it". As for the durability of her arm I'm willing to chalk that up to aura. You can use it empower your weapons so why not your swanky new robot arm? Clearly the level of protection afforded such a foreign object isn't complete, the arm is visibly damaged by one of Adam's attacks, but its enough to not be completely destroyed.

    "But Gh055twr1ter!" you might say, "The last time he cut her with his semblance it lopped her entire arm off, why didn't it do the same thing this time, especially since the robot arm doesn't have the same level of protection as you've explained?"

    Adam's semblance takes in energy and releases it. During the Fall of Beacon we aren't entirely sure of just how much energy he had been storing before he cut Yang's arm. It might have been as much as he had during the Black Trailer. For this fight, he's definitely been flaunting his semblance and so it might not have had the necessary amount of energy required to bypass her aura completely.

    But wait, there's more! Aura isn't completely involuntary. RT has made it so that you have to actually focus your aura in order to use it better. If we compare the two instances wherein Yang blocks his sword beam in this episode's fight to the Fall of Beacon we can assume that she was in a better state of mind to focus her aura and withstand the attacks.
     
    Rule 4: Do not parachute in just to post inflammatory bait like this.
    Once again RWBY proves how stupid it is as a show and how much it sucks. Volume once again is going nowhere, the sexism is really apparent e.g. "Get away from my man", double standards abounding such as the only lgbt people are lesbians and the poor fight scenes.

    How
    Does this show still exist?6
     
    thesevenwielder said:
    Moving on, what part of Qrow has been remotely a good role model?
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    Consider the following:

    When she learned how to fight her mom was dead, raven was gone, Yang has a totally different unrelated fighting style and her dad was depressed

    So how did she learn how to fight well enough to be a a prodigy who stops hardened criminals and gets into beacon early?

    Think about it.

    thesevenwielder said:
    You know, nobody ever answered how yang got good enough to defeat Adam. She has had a literally zero training outside a single brief spar to get her used to her new arm with her father with no implications that it have been continuing for a while, and she hasn't got any upgrades either aside from a robotic arm, and add improved in his very first trailer that he can cut through metal with ease. Her arm doesn't have any special upgrades installed in it, and she didn't upgrade her weapon either.
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    How is it that people still say it was only one training session when volume 5 demonstrates her somehow having a totally new fighting style
     
    Damn. All I wanted to do was come in here and mention how amusing I found the Leviathan's derpy little jog.
     
    WhoAmEye said:
    Damn. All I wanted to do was come in here and mention how amusing I found the Leviathan's derpy little jog.
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    You still can (hugs)

    Seriously though I imagine those might be good for swimming but they do make it look a bit silly, though I feel like they might make them work like a fan or something IE, when it flaps it creates a huge gust of wind.
     
    Reminder that the idea of gigantic scary grimm coming out of the sea was totally directly foreshadowed in a WoR by Qrow, but perhaps we all assumed they meant the sea dragon from V4.
     
    devilkingx2 said:
    Reminder that the idea of gigantic scary grimm coming out of the sea was totally directly foreshadowed in a WoR by Qrow, but perhaps we all assumed they meant the sea dragon from V4.
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    It was also foreshadowed by the Demon of the Deep movie poster, the very existence of the giant mech that's stored in a island base right in front of the city, the panic in the city and Jaune mentioning that the mech is likely designed to fight Deep Sea Grimm coming onto land.

    Zam said:
    You still can (hugs)

    Seriously though I imagine those might be good for swimming but they do make it look a bit silly, though I feel like they might make them work like a fan or something IE, when it flaps it creates a huge gust of wind.
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    Who needs arms and legs to fight when you can use Atomic Breath? :lol


    ThePoarter said:
    Once again RWBY proves how stupid it is as a show and how much it sucks. Volume once again is going nowhere, the sexism is really apparent e.g. "Get away from my man", double standards abounding such as the only lgbt people are lesbians and the poor fight scenes.

    How
    Does this show still exist?6
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    Psyga315 said:
    Take one cup of love and care for the man that birthed the franchise, a dash of popularity in Japan, and a pound of loyal fans.

    That's how the show still exists.
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    The better question is why you two still exist in this thread if you hate it so much. Go watch Asterix War or something, I'm sure that would be more to your taste.


    Gh055twr1t3r said:
    We actually have no indication of whether or not that was the only spar they had, the amount of time that passed was vague. It can go either way so the topic is a neutral point. I'm willing to believe that there was a bit more training though. Aside from that, Yang's issue was her attitude and approach to fighting as opposed to any significant lack in skill. Her first encounter against Adam wasn't even a fight. She recklessly lunged at him and he used his semblance to bypass her aura in one strike. The message of that encounter wasn't "Yang is a weak fighter" it was that "Yang let her emotions overcome her reasoning and she paid the price for it". As for the durability of her arm I'm willing to chalk that up to aura. You can use it empower your weapons so why not your swanky new robot arm? Clearly the level of protection afforded such a foreign object isn't complete, the arm is visibly damaged by one of Adam's attacks, but its enough to not be completely destroyed.

    "But Gh055twr1ter!" you might say, "The last time he cut her with his semblance it lopped her entire arm off, why didn't it do the same thing this time, especially since the robot arm doesn't have the same level of protection as you've explained?"

    Adam's semblance takes in energy and releases it. During the Fall of Beacon we aren't entirely sure of just how much energy he had been storing before he cut Yang's arm. It might have been as much as he had during the Black Trailer. For this fight, he's definitely been flaunting his semblance and so it might not have had the necessary amount of energy required to bypass her aura completely.

    But wait, there's more! Aura isn't completely involuntary. RT has made it so that you have to actually focus your aura in order to use it better. If we compare the two instances wherein Yang blocks his sword beam in this episode's fight to the Fall of Beacon we can assume that she was in a better state of mind to focus her aura and withstand the attacks.
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    Also enduring attack tends to work better when you're actively blocking them. Shit like this happens all the time in Dragon Ball, Nanoha, or basically any supernatural fight anime. Attacks that can go straight through people who are caught off guard can bounce of harmlessly if they have the chance to focus their energy for defense.
     
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    I know people on other forums and social media who claim to hate the show and want it to be cancelled but still pay for First membership so they can make fun of it every week. I don't really see the point.

    Is it confirmed to be only one episode left this season?
     
    Mook said:
    Next episode is the last yes. Its going be a big one apparently. Also gen:LOCK episode 1 will air for free and episode 2 will air for FIRST members. So there's a lot to look forward to next Saturday.
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    Ah cool they're airing the first two gen:LOCK episodes at once? I did not know this, thanks!
     
    Teen Spirit said:
    No no no.

    I'm sorry but The only way Adam isn't dead is if someone finds his corpse and revives him. Yes he was tossed over a cliff into water but before that he was stabbed, twice, through the heart and lungs, hit the rocks so hard something in his back or skull audibly broke. And he went into the water limp. Cinder and Adam had similar end of volume endings and there's miles of difference between how the two were shown and handled.

    I mean thematically and story wise, what freaking point would him surviving service. His plotline has reached it's end. Nothing would be added to him fighting Yang and Blake again, what they wanted to tell has been told. And Adam has not really been about Faunus rights. Adam started as an element of Blake's story and later Yang's story through the trauma he inflicted on both of them. Him showing off that brand isn't because he's later going to be involved in a story arc about The Schnee Dust Company de-facto enslaving Faunus. It's there in part to show how fucking sociopathic this guy is.

    He was literally branded in the face so bad he had one eye destroyed. He doesn't use it as an example of showing how bad Faunus have it, he hides it and then later complains that Blake leaving because he was going to pointlessly kill people hurt him worse than having his face disfigured with a red hot brand. It just shows you his mentality the branding was bad, but he saw Blake as his, someone he controlled, but she escaped his control of her own free will and he can't freaking stand that cause it's a massive bruise to his ego.

    He doesn't go on any sort of Rant towards Yang about how horrible humans are nor did he accuse Blake of being some sort of Race traitor for their handholding or whatever, that would have implied he actually gave a shit about Faunus rights beyond how it benefited himself. His entire reaction to Yang was more or less him being pissed to hell that Blake found someone to replace him.

    Like regardless of Bumbleebee becoming canon or not, it's really REALLY clear that Adam saw Yang as his Romantic Rival and he was super not thrilled about that.

    Adam's plot line is dead and done. Him coming back would just be a waste.
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    If Adam was a living person and not a fictional character then being stabbed through the chest and tossed of a cliff would kill him yes. However in fiction there is pretty much only reason that you fatally wound someone and then toss them off a cliff into water; you might want them not to be dead later. It doesn't mean they will always come back but it means you are keeping the possibility open. I mean a guy stabbed through the heart and lung doesn't normally decide to keep walking to the nearest edge of a cliff that is several feet away unless the writers have a good reason he needs to fall off that cliff. It is a sign that they aren't confident that Adam being dead is the right choice and want to have an option to change their minds.

    Also yes I do agree that Adam's story should be over and any more revelations about what happened with the brand could happen just as well if he was dead. That doesn't mean I just the RWBY writers to do that. They might make the right call but they are keeping the option open to make the wrong one.
     
    Gaz said:
    Ah cool they're airing the first two gen:LOCK episodes at once? I did not know this, thanks!
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    I'm pretty sure everything past the first episode will be FIRST exclusive though, shows like that are expensive to make and they have to make their budget back somehow. If you really can't afford to buy FIRST or the DVD then I suggest waiting for most of the episodes to air and then getting a free trial, it's only 8 episodes so it won't take long to binge it. But FIRST only costs like 3 dollars a month if you buy the yearly subscription, so if you have any spare cash lying around I think it's money well spent, especially since it helps support the show so that they can make more of it.

    Tasrill said:
    If Adam was a living person and not a fictional character then being stabbed through the chest and tossed of a cliff would kill him yes. However in fiction there is pretty much only reason that you fatally wound someone and then toss them off a cliff into water; you might want them not to be dead later.
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    Have you seen literally any Disney movies?
     
    Tasrill said:
    I mean a guy stabbed through the heart and lung doesn't normally decide to keep walking to the nearest edge of a cliff that is several feet away unless the writers have a good reason he needs to fall off that cliff. It is a sign that they aren't confident that Adam being dead is the right choice and want to have an option to change their minds.
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    I mean stuff like this does happen in real life to begin with; if you aren't hit in certain places you can seemingly be necessarily dead but still stay alive for a few minutes. That isn't just a fiction thing. But also you don't just do that as foreshadowing, you can do it becasue you think him dying by falling off that cliff would be a more dramatic set piece or more effectively evocative or any number of things beyond "We want him to come alive again." Characters fall off cliffs and then never come back all the time and it's not because the authors are teasing us, it's because that's a powerful, meaningful image and effective farewell to a character, particularly a decently prominent recurring antagonist.

    Like, Adam has no narrative purpose left; his story relevance turned out to pretty much always have been a boogeyman to Blake and Yang and a foil for them in turn, and he has completely burned through that narrative utility. Any story that doesn't involve that relationship dynamic that could involve him would simply be detracted by having him in it both because of the necessity of explaining how he survived, and that dynamic causing baggage.

    Is there any real reason to assume he's coming back at all?
     
    I just hope they retrieve his weapons when they go to try fish up Bumblebee. Blake needs a new Katana after all, and lets face it; even if the guy was a grade-a douchebag, he had a pretty sweet sword
     
    One other thing that's freaking hilarious about all this is that so many fans were saying that since Blake and yang were on the motorbike named Bumblebee together, that was a clear sign of their relationship. They conveniently ignore that in the very next episode bumblebee literally sinks. So much for your metaphor, guys
     
    Tasrill said:
    If Adam was a living person and not a fictional character then being stabbed through the chest and tossed of a cliff would kill him yes. However in fiction there is pretty much only reason that you fatally wound someone and then toss them off a cliff into water; you might want them not to be dead later. It doesn't mean they will always come back but it means you are keeping the possibility open. I mean a guy stabbed through the heart and lung doesn't normally decide to keep walking to the nearest edge of a cliff that is several feet away unless the writers have a good reason he needs to fall off that cliff. It is a sign that they aren't confident that Adam being dead is the right choice and want to have an option to change their minds.

    Also yes I do agree that Adam's story should be over and any more revelations about what happened with the brand could happen just as well if he was dead. That doesn't mean I just the RWBY writers to do that. They might make the right call but they are keeping the option open to make the wrong one.
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    Since this is a fictional series let's ask ourselves a question. Has a person falling into the water but bouncing hard off a rock ever been anything but "Yeah they're dead."?
    thesevenwielder said:
    One other thing that's freaking hilarious about all this is that so many fans were saying that since Blake and yang were on the motorbike named Bumblebee together, that was a clear sign of their relationship. They conveniently ignore that in the very next episode bumblebee literally sinks. So much for your metaphor, guys
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    Thankfully we had a lot more evidence of them developing feelings for each other then the bike.
     
    Teen Spirit said:
    Since this is a fictional series let's ask ourselves a question. Has a person falling into the water but bouncing hard off a rock ever been anything but "Yeah they're dead."?

    Thankfully we had a lot more evidence of them developing feelings for each other then the bike.
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    Also blood is a lot more serious in RWBY than in most anime. This isn't a shonen series where people can puke up enough blood to fill a bathtub and still be completely fine as long as they eat some apples and take a nap afterwards. With Aura people can withstand horrendous wounds, but Adam had his broken and was then stabbed in the heart and lung and bleeding like crazy. Hell both Blake and Yang seemed to have pierced all the way through his body, meaning that he's got four big holes in his body and two openings for water to leak straight into one of his lungs (also again being stabbed in the heart is fucking fatal). Now add possible brain damage to that from the rocks and the fact that this is the frozen north they're fighting in so we can add hypothermia to the list of probable causes of death. This death scene is downright Rasputian, and Adam surviving serves no purpose.
     
    Yeah. People seem to be latching onto the fact that Adam fell and since Cinder fell last volume then it must mean that Adam is still alive. But that ignores how massively different those two situations were both physically and thematically.
     
    Teen Spirit said:
    Yeah. People seem to be latching onto the fact that Adam fell and since Cinder fell last volume then it must mean that Adam is still alive. But that ignores how massively different those two situations were both physically and thematically.
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    It's almost like the viewers are going through a "fool me once" phase.
     
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