RWBY Thread III: Time To Say Goodbye

Stop: So gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
so gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
We get a lot of reports from this thread. A lot of it is just a series of people yelling at each other over arguments that have been rehashed hundreds of times since the end of the recent Volume. And I get that the last Volume - and RWBY in general, really - has some controversial moments that people will want to discuss, argue about, debate, etc.

That's fine. We're not going to stop people from doing that, because that's literally what the point of the thread is. However, there's just a point where it gets to be a bit too much, and arguments about whether or not Ironwood was morally justified in his actions in the recent Volume, or if RWBY and her team were in the right for withholding information from Ironwood out of distrust, or whatever flavor of argument of the day descend into insulting other posters, expressing a demeaning attitude towards other's opinions, and just being overall unpleasant. That tends to happen a lot in this thread. We want it to stop happening in this thread.

So! As of now the thread is in a higher state of moderation. What that means is that any future infractions will result in a weeklong boot from the thread, and repeated offenders will likely be permanently removed. So please, everyone endeavor to actually respect the other's arguments, and even if you strongly disagree with them please stay civil and mindful when it comes to responding to others.

In addition, users should refrain from talking about off-site users in the thread. Bear in mind that this does not mean that you cannot continue to post tumblr posts, for example, that add onto the discussion in the thread, with the caveat that it's related to RWBY of course. But any objections to offsite users in the thread should be handled via PM, or they'll be treated as thread violations and infracted as such.
 
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I swear shippers can be the most baffling. Like okay, two characters are riding on a motorbike. And that's... shipping, somehow? And yet a literal kiss on the cheek with a freaking leg lift is purely platonic. I mean, I don't necessarily object to shipping. But there has to be something actually there.
 
I swear shippers can be the most baffling. Like okay, two characters are riding on a motorbike. And that's... shipping, somehow? And yet a literal kiss on the cheek with a freaking leg lift is purely platonic. I mean, I don't necessarily object to shipping. But there has to be something actually there.
This is shipping. People make mountains out of molehills. Remember when Yang called for Blake or when she took her hand instead of her sister or uncle?
 
I swear shippers can be the most baffling. Like okay, two characters are riding on a motorbike. And that's... shipping, somehow? And yet a literal kiss on the cheek with a freaking leg lift is purely platonic. I mean, I don't necessarily object to shipping. But there has to be something actually there.
I've seen people ship characters on the strength of making eye contact once, before failing to interact ever again.
 
She explained why she didn't chase him down in the very scene you reference and given she was responding to his whining about her ruining his life I think her response was reasonable.


While I see a similarity given Cinder has a Grimm arm, scar on her face and Neo I think if she went for a disguise she'd look more different. plus I think Cinder looks a bit sharper than this person, less broad too maybe, but I could be wrong. Plus why would she even bother infiltrating Argus when she thinks RWBY are heading for Atlas?

I'm gonna go with

"Neo disguised as cinder disguised as a guard"

Or

"Cinder disguised as a guard using a Neo mirage/solid illusion to make her look like V3 cinder"

True, though couldn't she just fly under her own power and carry Neo or on a Grimm and then jump off before arriving, or just steal a ship herself?

Well I mean, she's not omnipotent. If she flies across a whole ocean she'll be useless upon arrival if Neo decides to kill her while she's tired or if they run into RWBY quickly or if the completely conspicuous flight attracts millitary attention, etc.

Neo would be really stupid to trust grimm after what happened to roman (and if salem is giving cinder the cold shoulder i don't think she can just go get a grimm)

Stealing a ship would be hard, assuming they can fly it they'd still need to deal with an entire millitary base and somehow not get shot down when they get near atlas (there's like 11 protatonists in argus and they're having trouble with that, how will 2 villains do it?)
 
I swear shippers can be the most baffling. Like okay, two characters are riding on a motorbike. And that's... shipping, somehow? And yet a literal kiss on the cheek with a freaking leg lift is purely platonic. I mean, I don't necessarily object to shipping. But there has to be something actually there.
It's shipping. They manage to ship people who have actually never met in canon. Blake and Yang being close is fuel for them.
 
She explained why she didn't chase him down in the very scene you reference and given she was responding to his whining about her ruining his life I think her response was reasonable.
Even so, but it's kinda funny to have her go "what are you doing here" after he made it explicitly clear he's trying to make her suffer and she spares him, even if it was because chasing him would supposedly be in his favor
 
My prediction for the finale:

You know what's better than a girl with a robot arm?

A girl with TWO robot arms!

*hoenn trumpets*
 
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Anything self powered becomes an issue of endurance, and stealing a ship runs into the issue that the only ports in a frozen wasteland are likely to be military controlled and they have radar (Probably would be an issue for RWBYJNR as well.). The grimm idea might work, but considering her current standing with Salem might be non-viable.

Best bet is going across on some kind of military approved transport via hook or crook.
I'm not really sure I agree but I think debating it further would involve too much HC so fair enough.

Well I mean, she's not omnipotent. If she flies across a whole ocean she'll be useless upon arrival if Neo decides to kill her while she's tired or if they run into RWBY quickly or if the completely conspicuous flight attracts millitary attention, etc.

Neo would be really stupid to trust grimm after what happened to roman (and if salem is giving cinder the cold shoulder i don't think she can just go get a grimm)

Stealing a ship would be hard, assuming they can fly it they'd still need to deal with an entire millitary base and somehow not get shot down when they get near atlas (there's like 11 protatonists in argus and they're having trouble with that, how will 2 villains do it?)
I don't think we've seen what if any stamina threshold exists for Maiden magic so I can't say for sure whether she would be exhausted.

Given Neo doesn't know how Roman died I don't think that is a problem.

We know Cinder can fly a Bullhead at least, as to how would two villains do it, given Cinder's strength and how Neo took out a battle ship by herself I think they could handle a small base.

Even so, but it's kinda funny to have her go "what are you doing here" after he made it explicitly clear he's trying to make her suffer and she spares him, even if it was because chasing him would supposedly be in his favor
She didn't spare him, she opted not to chase him into a situation where he would have the advantage and again, he was ranting about how she was in his life destroying it even though everything she did was a direct result of him trying to hurt her.
 
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That's exactly what I'm saying.
When you say 'spares him' and 'supposedly' it gives the rather strong implication that you think she had him at her mercy but opted to let him go and that the advantage he would have had may not in fact exist even though you have no evidence of that as far as I can tell.

If I don't chase someone who threatened me with a gun down and tackle them, I'm not sparing them, I'm opting not to take a stupid risk that will likely get me killed.
 
I've seen people ship characters on the strength of making eye contact once, before failing to interact ever again.
Liliana and Chandra have never met but there's official MTG artist art of them together and it's so good

Also I'm laughing so hard at everyone going "THAT ONE PERSON IN THE BASE IS CINDER" because Cinder kinda has a huge scar on her face and an arm made of grimm. There's no way she'd be able to sneak in well enough to maintain a post like the person we saw. Even with Neo helping, there's also the issue of staff: Caldova or whatever her name is, the unhinged commander lady, seems to have a fairly tight roster going. If you're working there and not on the list or aren't recognised as the person who's name you're borrowing, you're out. And Neo's mute. They'd have better luck if Neo used her semblance to make them invisible and simply strolled through the base rather than disguise themselves as part of it.
 
Liliana and Chandra have never met but there's official MTG artist art of them together and it's so good

Also I'm laughing so hard at everyone going "THAT ONE PERSON IN THE BASE IS CINDER" because Cinder kinda has a huge scar on her face and an arm made of grimm. There's no way she'd be able to sneak in well enough to maintain a post like the person we saw. Even with Neo helping, there's also the issue of staff: Caldova or whatever her name is, the unhinged commander lady, seems to have a fairly tight roster going. If you're working there and not on the list or aren't recognised as the person who's name you're borrowing, you're out. And Neo's mute. They'd have better luck if Neo used her semblance to make them invisible and simply strolled through the base rather than disguise themselves as part of it.
Agreed. While the full shot of that girl is interesting and she could be Neo in disguise, I don't get why people think that's Cinder.
 
Even with Neo helping, there's also the issue of staff: Caldova or whatever her name is, the unhinged commander lady, seems to have a fairly tight roster going. If you're working there and not on the list or aren't recognised as the person who's name you're borrowing, you're out
Yeah like
they just made fun of the "impersonate a guard" trope with the air control instantly figuring out that Maria wasn't one if theirs. Neo sneaking aboard a battleship during the PvP chaos is one thing, infiltrating a military base that has nothing better to do than keep intruders out is another matter entirely.
 
I don't think we've seen what if any stamina threshold exists for Maiden magic so I can't say for sure whether she would be exhausted.

Given Neo doesn't know how Roman died I don't think that is a problem.

We know Cinder can fly a Bullhead at least, as to how would two villains do it, given Cinder's strength and how Neo took out a battle ship by herself I think they could handle a small base.

1. We know she had trouble using her powers after she survived the raven fight so there is definitely a limit (we also saw ozpin get tired and defeated against salem so even more powerful mages have limits)

2. If she didn't at least suspect Roman was killed by a grimm then she would have thought that Ruby killed him since she was the only other person there and she knows he died, but Neo went after Cinder first and foremost. This implies that while she's not 100% sure what happened, it's definitely more towards the side of "don't trust that cinder summoning a giant monster while you two are alone is going to work out for you"

3. That's a fair point, you're probably right on this front.
 
Agreed. While the full shot of that girl is interesting and she could be Neo in disguise, I don't get why people think that's Cinder.

It's the eyes, she has cinders eyes.

Also I'm laughing so hard at everyone going "THAT ONE PERSON IN THE BASE IS CINDER" because Cinder kinda has a huge scar on her face and an arm made of grimm. There's no way she'd be able to sneak in well enough to maintain a post like the person we saw.

To be fair, 50% of cinders existence was spent without those traits, so you can think of volume 1-3 cinder whilst forgetting that the current cinder looks nothing like that now
 
So it's just another case of RT reusing character models, and fans thinking it actually had a purpose? Honesty, all I saw from that female guard was a rather obvious bit of tokenism.
 
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1. We know she had trouble using her powers after she survived the raven fight so there is definitely a limit (we also saw ozpin get tired and defeated against salem so even more powerful mages have limits)

2. If she didn't at least suspect Roman was killed by a grimm then she would have thought that Ruby killed him since she was the only other person there and she knows he died, but Neo went after Cinder first and foremost. This implies that while she's not 100% sure what happened, it's definitely more towards the side of "don't trust that cinder summoning a giant monster while you two are alone is going to work out for you"

3. That's a fair point, you're probably right on this front.
I mean, she had just woken up from being frozen for potentially weeks so that may have played a role, plus I think Ozpin was pretty seriously wounded which also may have played a role.

Or she decided to blame the person who dragged them into the mess in the first place.

Thanks! :)
 
Sending Blake alone is dangerous. Stealth missions can easily go very wrong very fast.

Of course, not sending Yang is the right call, since she's not very stealthy.

But Qrow can turn into a crow, which is a magical ability I doubt the Atlas military knows about. There is literally nothing preventing him from floating above the communication base in his crow form just in case something goes wrong.


As far as plot holes it's not horrible, but they could have done this better, I think
 
Sending Blake alone is dangerous. Stealth missions can easily go very wrong very fast.

Of course, not sending Yang is the right call, since she's not very stealthy.

But Qrow can turn into a crow, which is a magical ability I doubt the Atlas military knows about. There is literally nothing preventing him from floating above the communication base in his crow form just in case something goes wrong.


As far as plot holes it's not horrible, but they could have done this better, I think
Given Qrow's general attitude at this stage and towards the plan in general I don't think he'd have gone.
 
What the actual fuck?

Women existing is tokenism now? Seriously?
You forget, if Roosterteeth does anything, it's because they're eeeeeviilllll.

If they gave all their money to children tomorrow, some people would almost certainly decide it was 'virtue signalling' or part of an evil corporate scheme.
 
Dude, @Delphisage, I have repeatedly gone on record stating that Miles and Kerry are pretty bad writers, the former especially, but calling a female guard a bit of tokenism? Even I think that's going too far. There are plenty of things to actually call them out on

Anyway I hope Adam dies this volume. He doesn't even seem like a villain, just a pest. "Oh boy, it's Adam!" said no one ever.
 
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