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RWBY Thread III: Time To Say Goodbye

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Stop: So gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
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    • so gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
    We get a lot of reports from this thread. A lot of it is just a series of people yelling at each other over arguments that have been rehashed hundreds of times since the end of the recent Volume. And I get that the last Volume - and RWBY in general, really - has some controversial moments that people will want to discuss, argue about, debate, etc.

    That's fine. We're not going to stop people from doing that, because that's literally what the point of the thread is. However, there's just a point where it gets to be a bit too much, and arguments about whether or not Ironwood was morally justified in his actions in the recent Volume, or if RWBY and her team were in the right for withholding information from Ironwood out of distrust, or whatever flavor of argument of the day descend into insulting other posters, expressing a demeaning attitude towards other's opinions, and just being overall unpleasant. That tends to happen a lot in this thread. We want it to stop happening in this thread.

    So! As of now the thread is in a higher state of moderation. What that means is that any future infractions will result in a weeklong boot from the thread, and repeated offenders will likely be permanently removed. So please, everyone endeavor to actually respect the other's arguments, and even if you strongly disagree with them please stay civil and mindful when it comes to responding to others.

    In addition, users should refrain from talking about off-site users in the thread. Bear in mind that this does not mean that you cannot continue to post tumblr posts, for example, that add onto the discussion in the thread, with the caveat that it's related to RWBY of course. But any objections to offsite users in the thread should be handled via PM, or they'll be treated as thread violations and infracted as such.
     
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    • thesevenwielder said:
    I get the feeling that RT finally managed to hire someone to look over Miles and Kerry's writing. Not just be a yes-man and tell them "yep, everything's good" but actually sitting them and telling them "This story is shit and here's how to fix it." And hitting them with a rolled-up newspaper whenever they write something stupid. As I've said multiple times before, this volume's writing is a step above the previous 5 volumes combined. Problem is, this show doesn't exist in a vacuum. The previous 5 volumes still exist, and it is a very shaky foundation to build upon. Even if future seasons keep up this level of quality, the overally shittiness of the previous 5 still exist, and aren't going away. Like sure, they're answering questions that the show has left unanswered since day 1, but at the same time it's been years since those questions were first asked. Almost too little, too late. Telling a new viewer "this gets explained 3 seasons later" is not a good indicator of quality. And it introduces all sorts of plot holes, like why Ruby never activated the SEW when her loved ones were in danger before.

    I honestly think they would be better served just rebooting the whole damn show. Keep this level of quality from the start.
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    When you win the lottery today, and you haven't won in the last 10 years you've been playing, do you complain that you wasted all those other tickets, or celebrate your riches?

    Then we should be happy that we got even semi satisfactory answers to mysteries we had long given up hope on, trying to say "too little too late" or whatever just feels like making up new reasons to complain, as if we forgot that complaining itself is not an end (unless you make money off of this), the end was improving the show, and it's improved, mission accomplished.

    As for the subject of volumes 1-5. Sometimes when a game releases, it's bad upon release, but over time they patch it until all its major issues are fixed and the game is reworked into something quality and playable, sometimes people complain "well I'm still not buying/playing because it should've been good in the first place!"

    But what these people do not realize is that there's no point in even trying to fix something if everyone will blame you and punish you for the unchangeable past

    That is to say, if we don't let go of past mistakes and look to the future, we'll just tell them "unless you invent a time machine nothing you do will ever be good enough, so why even try? Just phone it in and collect checks"

    So I think you should be wary of this line of thinking. Be careful what you wish for
     
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    VolantRedX said:
    As I pointed out before there seems to be more to it than "loved one in danger=laser beam eyes". A big ingredient seems to rely on Ruby also feeling helpless and also actively in danger.
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    People for some reason forget the obvious:

    It needs to be serious danger of something the eyes can actually help against.

    As far as we know only grimm and cinder are weak to silver eyes, so only when one of those two are about to kill someone near ruby can her eyes do anything
     
    Appending your argument that the sky is green with a prediction that someone will argue that the sky isnt acually green is possibly the worst kind of argumentative gotcha that doesnt actually contribute.
     
    I sort of exaggerated how exacerbated I was with the SEW activated by love and whatnot. It's really no different than 90% of shounen where the protagonist pulls out a new powerup or skill when their nakama are in danger or whatever. What baffles me is the people claiming that this isn't the case, that SEW are somehow different and better in mechanics than those aforementioned shounen powerups.

    But back to my original claim that M&K found a proofreader. I don't think M&K actually listen to youtube comments or whatever, but it's pretty telling that the things they are fixing are what the fandom has criticized all along. Hell, on the off chance they are simply improving on their own, it doesn't change that what they are fixing is what the fandom said was shit, proving the validity of those claims. Just because M&K are making those decisions in a vacuum doesn't change that others already pointed out those fixes before.
     
    Ohohoho! Nice attention to detail here!

    Link.




    Looks like we might be looking at another scythe wielder. Man they are really pushing the Death theme for Silver Eyed Warriors aren't they?
     
    Another great blink and you'll miss it moment in that fight is the part where Neo tries to slit Cinder's throat with her hidden blade:
     
    So Mistral has faunus lynch mobs now. Ok. So shouldn't Blake have been hostile AF to Mistrali champ Pyrrha? Those assholes nearly murdered her father in cold blood. That incident is what radicalized the White Fang and presumably caused Blake to leave because he insisted on not fighting back.

    Consider that Mistral is apparently super racist and some of that racism was probably passed down, so imagine Pyrrha muttering 'she probably deserved it" when Velvet is getting bullied instead of " it must be hard to be a faunus."
     
    thesevenwielder said:
    So Mistral has faunus lynch mobs now. Ok. So shouldn't Blake have been hostile AF to Mistrali champ Pyrrha? Those assholes nearly murdered her father in cold blood. That incident is what radicalized the White Fang and presumably caused Blake to leave because he insisted on not fighting back.

    Consider that Mistral is apparently super racist and some of that racism was probably passed down, so imagine Pyrrha muttering 'she probably deserved it" when Velvet is getting bullied instead of " it must be hard to be a faunus."
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    Hell, if they were racist AF, how did Menagerie manage to get a huge police squad?
     
    MinorGryph said:
    Another great blink and you'll miss it moment in that fight is the part where Neo tries to slit Cinder's throat with her hidden blade:
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    I didn't actually repost what you're responding to yet. :p

    Mook91 said:
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    That smug fucking face. :lol:
    You can just tell Neo is thinking "Yeah, I'm going to introduce that convenient improvised weapon to Cinder's face." :D

    There is so much great stuff to find in this show if you look for those small touches they put in. :cool:
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    I'm surprised you are so happy with Neo's appearance. Wasn't it you who repeatedly stated that her existence was pointless and she shouldn't have ever been included? Or something to that effect. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad to see her back too. But it's strange that you of all people would act excited to see her back.
     
    thesevenwielder said:
    So Mistral has faunus lynch mobs now. Ok. So shouldn't Blake have been hostile AF to Mistrali champ Pyrrha? Those assholes nearly murdered her father in cold blood. That incident is what radicalized the White Fang and presumably caused Blake to leave because he insisted on not fighting back.

    Consider that Mistral is apparently super racist and some of that racism was probably passed down, so imagine Pyrrha muttering 'she probably deserved it" when Velvet is getting bullied instead of " it must be hard to be a faunus."
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    So because a nation has racist people in it everyone from that nation should be treated with open hostility by that minority group even if said person is clearly not racist themselves? That's an ugly way to live.
     
    VolantRedX said:
    So because a nation has racist people in it everyone from that nation should be treated with open hostility by that minority group even if said person is clearly not racist themselves? That's an ugly way to live.
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    Shhh! You can't bring logic in here. People might be forced to accept that not every criticism of RWBY is valid. And that would be terrible.
     
    thesevenwielder said:
    Consider that Mistral is apparently super racist and some of that racism was probably passed down, so imagine Pyrrha muttering 'she probably deserved it" when Velvet is getting bullied instead of " it must be hard to be a faunus."
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    By that same logic, Weiss should have been laughing her ass off at stuff like war and racism because Atleasians somehow find tragedies to be comedies.
     
    RWBY's not without its flaws, I've said my piece more than a few times in this thread, but I feel like at this point, we've stopped beating the horse's corpse and are now just dragging it around the field on a chain. And the discussion has become a lot less civil, and a lot more heated than it needs to be.
     
    Nidhoggr said:
    RWBY's not without its flaws, I've said my piece more than a few times in this thread, but I feel like at this point, we've stopped beating the horse's corpse and are now just dragging it around the field on a chain. And the discussion has become a lot less civil, and a lot more heated than it needs to be.
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    Bold of you to assume there's still an intact corpse at this point :V
     
    Leingod said:
    The Adam trailer.
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    Which it should be pointed out happened out in the boonies, where every town and village is basically an island. Just because there are some villages in Mistral that are lynch mob levels of hostile to Faunus does not mean that all of them are. The people of Anima are not a hive-mind, in fact they're pretty much the opposite, being noted as one of the most spread out and diverse peoples on Remnant. The first village RNJR travel to in Volume 4 for example had a Faunus blacksmith, and there was no hint of him not being accepted by the other villagers.
     
    I know it was supposed to be a result of the Apathy, but wouldn't tossing the Relic down a well in the middle of nowhere actually be a good idea? According to Oz the Grimm lure effect is super weaksauce so they don't have to worry about Grimm finding it, and even if they did it is shown that Salem needs to put a lot of work into corralling the Grimm so it's not likely she could get it back easily. And Ruby was totally on board with the plan and was about to drop it in anyway before she stumbled and suddenly changed her mind. If she hadn't goofed then they could have just tossed it in and left and avoided all of this.

    Thanks Obama Ruby

    Is it just me or are M&K shit at subtlety? Every time they try to have a big reveal, it's so obvious that all the fans have guessed it. First it was Blake being a with the Twitchy bow then it was Penny's status as a robot during her fight scene, Pyrrha and the death flags she was throwing up left and right throughout season 3, Qrow being a birb, and finally Maria having silver eyes. It was so painfully obvious that I was actually hoping that the fanbase was wrong and the writers would not give her Silver Eyes.
     
    The next episode Preview is up

    thesevenwielder said:
    Is it just me or are M&K shit at subtlety? Every time they try to have a big reveal, it's so obvious that all the fans have guessed it. First it was Blake being a with the Twitchy bow then it was Penny's status as a robot during her fight scene
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    The twitchy bow yes one could say that was bad foreshadowing but it wasn't that bad, as for the Robot reveal, again this one is on Monty since he wanted to show off what Penny could do.
     
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    thesevenwielder said:
    Is it just me or are M&K shit at subtlety? Every time they try to have a big reveal, it's so obvious that all the fans have guessed it. First it was Blake being a with the Twitchy bow then it was Penny's status as a robot during her fight scene, Pyrrha and the death flags she was throwing up left and right throughout season 3, Qrow being a birb, and finally Maria having silver eyes. It was so painfully obvious that I was actually hoping that the fanbase was wrong and the writers would not give her Silver Eyes.
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    The Penny reveal was 100% on Monty throwing her into the docks fight. Qrow being a bird was outright confirmed in the V3 stinger, unless you're saying everyone had it figured out before then? And there's reveals not everyone guessed; very few people realized Raven was the Spring Maiden, and I have no idea how many people predicted the lore dumps in V4C8 and V6C3.
     
    thesevenwielder said:
    Thanks Obama Ruby
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    Thanks Rubama?
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    The next episode Preview is up
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    So that at least gives a reason why Cinder didn't just stake Ruby when she had the chance.
    thesevenwielder said:
    I know it was supposed to be a result of the Apathy, but wouldn't tossing the Relic down a well in the middle of nowhere actually be a good idea? According to Oz the Grimm lure effect is super weaksauce so they don't have to worry about Grimm finding it, and even if they did it is shown that Salem needs to put a lot of work into corralling the Grimm so it's not likely she could get it back easily. And Ruby was totally on board with the plan and was about to drop it in anyway before she stumbled and suddenly changed her mind. If she hadn't goofed then they could have just tossed it in and left and avoided all of this.
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    To be fair, there was a shit ton of Apathies and if Salem had any remote control of Grimm, she could easily have it.
     
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