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RWBY Thread III: Time To Say Goodbye

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Stop: So gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
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    • so gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
    We get a lot of reports from this thread. A lot of it is just a series of people yelling at each other over arguments that have been rehashed hundreds of times since the end of the recent Volume. And I get that the last Volume - and RWBY in general, really - has some controversial moments that people will want to discuss, argue about, debate, etc.

    That's fine. We're not going to stop people from doing that, because that's literally what the point of the thread is. However, there's just a point where it gets to be a bit too much, and arguments about whether or not Ironwood was morally justified in his actions in the recent Volume, or if RWBY and her team were in the right for withholding information from Ironwood out of distrust, or whatever flavor of argument of the day descend into insulting other posters, expressing a demeaning attitude towards other's opinions, and just being overall unpleasant. That tends to happen a lot in this thread. We want it to stop happening in this thread.

    So! As of now the thread is in a higher state of moderation. What that means is that any future infractions will result in a weeklong boot from the thread, and repeated offenders will likely be permanently removed. So please, everyone endeavor to actually respect the other's arguments, and even if you strongly disagree with them please stay civil and mindful when it comes to responding to others.

    In addition, users should refrain from talking about off-site users in the thread. Bear in mind that this does not mean that you cannot continue to post tumblr posts, for example, that add onto the discussion in the thread, with the caveat that it's related to RWBY of course. But any objections to offsite users in the thread should be handled via PM, or they'll be treated as thread violations and infracted as such.
     
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    • If you want Dark take a look at the complete lyrics of 'Die'.
    It was just fine,
    We lived in peace,
    Looked to a happy ending.

    The days were bright,
    They shined like gold,
    Every step ascending.

    Our dreams came true,
    Our path was clear,
    The moon watched safely from above.

    But every smile,
    Is not the same,
    And every heart's not filled with...

    Love for mankind;
    Look around it's getting very hard to find.
    Not every open wound is simply healed by time,
    But revenge is always sweet,
    And chaos is the prize.

    Feel it everywhere and you see it growing,
    Enemies arise and the hate is flowing,
    Shattering the moon and bloodying the sky.

    The machines of war will fuel both sides,
    And the greed will only grow more lies;
    Farewell to days of peace 'cause now it's time to die.[1]

    Where did it go?
    Our peaceful youth,
    Seems to be gone forever.

    And in its place,
    A life of war,
    Every truce has severed.

    We'll live our lives,
    Watching our backs,
    Not knowing who to trust or fear.

    The hate just swallows all the love,
    And all the,
    Truth will disappear...

    Lost and blind;
    Seems our dreams of peace have all been left behind.
    It's always said white clouds aren't always silver lined,
    But the future's looking bleak,
    And the storm is set to rise.

    Say goodbye.
    Time to die.
    Say goodbye.
    Just say goodbye.
    Time to die. (Time...)

    Feel it everywhere and you see it growing,
    Enemies arise and the hate is flowing,
    Shattering the moon and bloodying the sky.

    The machines of war will fuel both sides,
    And the greed will only grow more lies;
    Farewell to days of peace 'cause now it's time to die.

    Die die die...
    Honestly sounds like a wide scale war between the kingdoms is in the near future.
     
    Not liking the full version of Caffeine. The fast pace feminine sound of the song doesn't mix well with the masculine, slower pace that come in later.

    Also, Sacrifice. Not liking how slow it is, but at the same time it sounds great, and I like the lyrics.
     
    So is anyone besides me wondering whether Boop is "canon" or not? I think there's been some speculation on whether or not Nora and Ren are an item or not, but is the song evidence that Nora at least returns the feelings? Because I remember criticisms that Red Like Roses pt. II seemed OOC for Ruby's character and I wonder if the same thing applies here.
     
    Leingod said:
    So is anyone besides me wondering whether Boop is "canon" or not? I think there's been some speculation on whether or not Nora and Ren are an item or not, but is the song evidence that Nora at least returns the feelings? Because I remember criticisms that Red Like Roses pt. II seemed OOC for Ruby's character and I wonder if the same thing applies here.
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    Going by the song and Nora and Ren's introduction to the series, Nora is all but confirmed to have romantic feelings for Ren but hasn't been able to actually confess those feelings to Ren.
     
    Feng Lengshun said:
    There are theories that Red Like Roses part 2 is really talking about Yang though, as she was the one who actually has memory of any of the girls' mothers.
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    Personally, I think the whole "Ruby doesn't remember her mother" thing is an Unreliable Narrator deal. We only have Yang's word for it, and she only says she "thinks" Ruby was too young to really remember Summer like she did. As an older sibling, I can tell you right now that we have a habitual tendency to seriously underestimate how much our siblings are able to understand and deal with. Granted, since Ruby probably was somewhere between 3 and 5 at the time (judging by her appearance in Yang's flashback) she certainly wouldn't remember her as well as Yang, but she is a very bright girl (mostly) and it wouldn't surprise me much if she remembered Summer more than Yang thinks she does and just hides it well.
     
    Leingod said:
    So is anyone besides me wondering whether Boop is "canon" or not? I think there's been some speculation on whether or not Nora and Ren are an item or not, but is the song evidence that Nora at least returns the feelings? Because I remember criticisms that Red Like Roses pt. II seemed OOC for Ruby's character and I wonder if the same thing applies here.
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    It's probably canon for Nora's feelings towards Ren, but given some of the rumors floating around and the fact they aren't apparently 'together together' chances are Ren wouldn't be interested in her that way. Or maybe he just considers her too much of a friend, that's also possible I guess.
     
    Uhh... Yang says that Ruby was too young to understand, but that she was really torn up about it. Imagine being 5 years old and hearing that big, brave, strong Mommy is gone forever. You don't need to be very old for that kind of thing to fuck you up in the head, and it's honestly almost worse at such a young age, simply because you can't understand it. Yang was probably just old to internalize that Mom died protecting people. People like her and Ruby. She at least had a "why".

    Also I remember either Monty or Jeff WIlliams saying point-blank that Red Like Roses Pt.II was about Ruby's thoughts about her mother. So all the "theories" are the constructions of idiots who don't really pay attention to what they are theorizing about.

     
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    GhanjRho said:
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    Also I remember either Monty or Jeff WIlliams saying point-blank that Red Like Roses Pt.II was about Ruby's thoughts about her mother. So all the "theories" are the constructions of idiots who don't really pay attention to what they are theorizing about.
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    Might wanna be careful with that. I addressed it a little bit earlier in the thread, but regardless of WoG, the lyrics for Red Like Roses pt.2 work far better if the viewpoints are two lovers rather than parent/child. The word of Monty is that it's describing Ruby's thoughts, then fine that is what it is, but WoG doesn't change that "really paying attention" is far more likely to give you a differing interpretation.
     
    Really? Granted personal opinion can be a tricky thing but I have a pretty easy time seeing it as parent and child. Admittedly some of the context escapes me, left her in a nightmare ETC, but it definitely feels like a wounded child and mournful mother to me. Though there are obviously other interpretations.
     
    Zam said:
    Really? Granted personal opinion can be a tricky thing but I have a pretty easy time seeing it as parent and child. Admittedly some of the context escapes me, left her in a nightmare ETC, but it definitely feels like a wounded child and mournful mother to me. Though there are obviously other interpretations.
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    Take it away, past me!

    SerGregness said:
    Honestly, I always got the impression it was more husband/wife/lover than mother/daughter. I mean, the very first verse:

    "I couldn't take it, couldn't stand another minute
    Couldn't bear another day without you in it.
    All of the joy that I had known through all my life
    was stripped away from me the minute that you died

    To have you in my life was all I ever wanted,
    but now without you I'm a soul forever haunted
    Can't help but feel that I had taken you for granted
    no way in hell that I can ever comprehend this"

    Emphasis on the bolded parts is mine. To me, those lines imply that the surviving character knew the other one at some point, but before they were close. This, naturally, makes no sense if the survivor is a daughter.
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    I can sorta see how one could see mother/daughter there I guess, but how could a daughter know what not having their mother was like well enough to know that they "Couldn't bear another day without you in it"?
     
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    SerGregness said:
    Take it away, past me!

    I can sorta see how one could see mother/daughter there I guess, but how could a daughter know what not having their mother was like well enough to know that they "Couldn't bear another day without you in it"?
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    For me, pretty much what some of the above posters have said. I figure the day without you in it, portion could also be tied to Summer's death. Plus she may have simply taken Summer always coming back safely for granted over her presence when she was there.
     
    notanautomaton said:
    My dad used to go away on business when I was a kid. I missed him and wished that he would come home, but when he was home I would take him for granted. The song is entirely realistic in that respect.
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    MinorGryph said:
    Ruby would still be assuming her Mom would come back eventually.
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    Zam said:
    For me, pretty much what some of the above posters have said. I figure the day without you in it, portion could also be tied to Summer's death. Plus she may have simply taken Summer always coming back safely for granted over her presence when she was there.
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    And, y'know, I'm fine with all that. I'm going to... adjust some of my earlier language. It's not that it works better the way I see it per se, but it's foolish to think that your way is the only way it can work (hence my partial retraction). I saw it as a battle couple thing at first, but I can see how you could read parent/child now. Honestly, the main thing that ruffled my feathers was with the notion that any other interpretation was somehow unreasonable or idiotic.
     
    SerGregness said:
    And, y'know, I'm fine with all that. I'm going to... adjust some of my earlier language. It's not that it works better the way I see it per se, but it's foolish to think that your way is the only way it can work (hence my partial retraction). I saw it as a battle couple thing at first, but I can see how you could read parent/child now. Honestly, the main thing that ruffled my feathers was with the notion that any other interpretation was somehow unreasonable or idiotic.
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    Oh I don't disagree with you, there are multiple interpretation and I don't think less of you for having a different one, just based on your post it felt necessary to explain my perspective on why I saw it the way I did.
     
    Ok, after re-watching the match between Yang and Neo, did anyone notice that Neo's set of necklaces are identical to the ninja lady?

     
    NephyrisX said:
    Ok, after re-watching the match between Yang and Neo, did anyone notice that Neo's set of necklaces are identical to the ninja lady?
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    They are and Coco's is similar as well I think. Copy and pasting to save time I think, hopefully they'll mix things up a bit in the next season as the animation improves.

    Though you know, if the animation keeps getting more polished with each volume (like it seems to be so far) it'll be interesting to compare things a couple of volumes down the road.
     
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